Message Board Musings -- Tesas/OU realignment rumors edition
Texas board
Texas /OU expected to inform Big 12 as nearly as next week of future plans
Orangebloods publisher Geoff Ketchum and I checked in with multiple sources on Wednesday and asked about Texas’ desire to leave the Big 12 and join the SEC.
Texas and Oklahoma are seemingly ready to make that move.
A high-level university official informed Orangebloods the expectation is Texas and Oklahoma would inform the Big 12 as early as next week that both schools intend to decline on extending the existing set of media rights. The contract expires in 2025.
"That should start the dominos," the source told Orangebloods.
That major piece of news Orangebloods learned coincides with an earlier report on Wednesday.
Houston Chronicle’s Brent Zwerneman was the first to report Texas and Oklahoma reached out to the SEC about joining that conference. Zwerneman also said, “An announcement could come within a couple of weeks concerning the potential addition of UT and OU to the league, the person said, which would give the SEC 16 schools and make it the first national super-conference.”
In addition, Orangebloods was told a move to the SEC would signal the end of the LHN and that the school has come to terms with this. Another source told me he would not be surprised if LHN simply folded into the SEC Network (both are owned by ESPN).
The most interesting Texas-OU development centers around what did not occur on Wednesday.
Texas officials routinely dismiss stories they believe are inaccurate. Not one media outlet in Austin cited an anonymous Texas source that disputed the reported league change.
In fact, our sources did not want to directly address the rumor.
I previously reported a high-level Texas official’s response to me was “nothing to say” when I inquired about departing the SEC. A few hours later, the same source told me “When I can talk, you know I will.”
Of course, Texas officials believe Texas A&M leaked the story to make it harder for the Longhorns to switch conferences. Texas officials believe the leak creates friction for Texas and Oklahoma in the Big 12 and SEC.
Austin American-Statesman columnist Kirk Bohls reported Texas A&M and Missouri would vote against adding Texas and Oklahoma. Bohls said only two more votes against the Longhorns and Sooners would be necessary to prevent those teams from switching conferences.
However, a source told Orangebloods, “This will take some time but the interest by both sides is there.”
Wow, that escalated quickly
Well, bye
Woo to the F’in Hoo!
Let's Go!
College Station hasn’t been this despondent since..?
I didn't think I could dislike aggy more than I already do. I was wrong.
in the perfect world Mizzou would still rather be in the Big 10
We are actually GTFO!!!
Sark better be everything we hope he is
GOOD BYE BIG 12, IT’S BEEN NICE!! HOPE YOU FIND YOUR PARADIIIIISE🎶🎵
It is going to be an interesting couple of years. I wonder if any other conferences would jump in the bidding war before the deal is done.
Aggy trying to get the Big 12 Texas schools to contact the state legislature and stop Texas from leaving.
guys think about this for a second.. TEXAS and OU are 2 of the premier names in all of college sports...you dont tell the Big XII you intend to leave, without already having your next wife lined up and ready to get married. this leads me to believe this deal is closer to being done if not already done so than any of us can think of.
So is this expected to occur in 2025 after GoR expires or is the plan for the Big 12 to implode letting us out early?
SEC knows we are about to go on a run on basketball titles and wants some of this
Thamel saying we will get the votes.
If Aggie vote no, then they will always be looked at as scared cowards. All they have said was “anytime, anyplace” to play against Texas. And now Texas is ready to join, and they decide to vote no? Jimbo has to know a “no” note could be very damaging for recruiting and used against them not only by Texas but by all schools.
If this goes through, Aggie will look like even bigger beta bitches than they already do.
I know next to nothing how this will work, but I don't see how something this big doesnt blow up existing contracts. The $$ makers are just gonna let B12 run DOA for 4 years? Disney/ESPN/SEC leave money on the table for 4 years? I just dont see it.
There will be some saber rattling for sure. In the end, I don’t think it will matter
It won't go that long. They'll negotiate an early exit and be in the SEC starting with the 2023 season, IMO. They aren't going to play 4 more seasons after an announcement. That would be unprecedented.
So I wonder if this would this end up pushing Alabama and Auburn into the Eastern division?
This is where I’m at. I think these talks have been going on a long time, hence Ag doucheporter leaking this to make the boat rock. The sec knows there’s waaaaay too much good for them with this move, but aggie can’t help it as this was their only real trump card against Texas. I want to dunk on their face so bad, but I’ll believe this is done when it’s actually announced. But, it sounds like it’s headed that way extremely rapidly
Tell Aggy we will see them Thanksgiving 2022 in Austin for a little football.
Just tell me Bama's answer and I'm pretty sure how this will play out
No denials. Not even remote ones.
This is going to be a messy divorce, but Texas/Oklahoma are going somewhere. @Ketchum do you think the Big Ten would try to get involved? That might be enough to make them the top dogs.
Full speed ahead. There are no accidents
Nothing better for my Longhorn soul than a pool of Aggy tears.
SEC could make a peace offering to Aggie, Mizzou and Big12: let them join the Big12 in exchange for UT and OU 🤣
This really does make the most sense for splitting up the divisions…unless you want to go to pods.
East: OU & Texas fight it out with LSU & Aggy usually playing 2nd fiddle.
West: Bama & Georgia lead with Florida & Auburn contending.
I think joining the SEC has some downside that is worth considering. It isn’t a cultural fit and certainly not an academic one. And I cringe at the thought of chanting “SEC! SEC!” at any time.
It is very simple…the geography alone makes the SEC the priority location.
Kansas and Iowa State are AAU universities and it is a safe bet they are sitting by their phones waiting for your B1G call.
If I am the PAC, my strategic plan now includes a major invasion of Texas. I am looking at TT, UH, Baylor, TCU and Okie St. They desperately need central time zone product, imo, and that would open up recruiting grounds for them.
Why would a P5 conference want any of those teams? None of them are a value add proposition.
the panic in the room will be immeasurable
Hopefully the other Big 12 members acknowledge the reality and all schools are allowed to look for their next stop ASAP. That will expedite the TX/OU move.
In all honesty, the Big 12 has been dying for a while. No need to prolong the inevitable. Let the schools all find a landing spot before they are left with the MAC as the only option.
Oklahoma board
UPDATE THUR 12:36pm: SEC votes, OU issues statement, Texas and SEC reports
Some interesting quotes I've been given today:
"I don’t think there’s a lot of people against it. I think it’s bullshit. I don’t even think Missouri’s against it. I think A&M’s panicked and they’re trying to create a make believe tsunami to make people think there’s a lot of support for their position."
Another quote from a different source:
"I know everyone’s going to say this about people are going to vote no and all that crap, but I don’t buy that for a minute... But there’s not a chance in hell that the SEC is going to look at two brands as big as Texas and Oklahoma and say no. There is no chance. There is no chance. Those are two of the biggest brands in college sports. And football drives the SEC, just like it drives the Big 12 and if you’re ESPN and you’re ABC, you are not going to let some feelings get in the way of that much money. When you add Texas and you add Oklahoma to that television inventory on a weekly basis in the fall, it is a bonanza."
UPDATED THUR 10:55am
Been making a lot of calls this morning. And this is what I'm hearing.
I haven't run across a single source in the SEC that believes any other teams other than A&M would vote against OU and Texas joining the league.
In fact, most people believe that this would be such a good move for the SEC that the conference will sit down with A&M leadership and just tell them to stop fighting this, it's going to happen and they need to get on board with it.
I wouldn't be shocked if the SEC ends up announces OU and Texas were unanimously approved by a 14-0 vote.
Or A&M could just keep being A&M and they would announce they have invited OU and Texas to join the conference and not release the details of the vote, even though it would likely be a 13-1 vote.
And here's why it will be a near unanimous vote:
The powerhouses don't care. And few of them are going to be hurt by it. The non powerhouse schools love the idea of having Oklahoma and Texas coming to their stadiums and helping them sell season tickets as well as the hope that they can get better through recruiting Texas.
I am just not coming into contact with any sources so far that believe OU and Texas won't be welcomed in with open arms.
I’m down. In-season would be A LOT more fun.
Even if there is some unwritten or unspoken rule about no new teams from states with teams in the SEC already, I doubt that applies to a brand like UT. OU is good to go whenever, and might thrive there (Granted, if put in the West, having to play Bama and LSU every year would be a step up from ISU and Baylor).
LFG
Poor little Okie lite.
ANYWHERE BUT THE NORTHERN TRASH BIG 10
A&M is going to find out how Nebraska feels when they try to throw their weight around the SEC offices.
I get your point that Oklahoma’s playoff path wouldn’t be as difficult in the SEC if it expands. However I think the path is still more assured in the Big 12. Most expansion plans I’ve seen carry an auto bid for conference winners so it would still seem appealing to be in a league we dominate.
Hot Damn
Yea, I was skeptical at first. But, this story has legs.
We will need to upgrade our facilities big time.
Yes we would still dominate the Big 12. But we would make less money and it's extremely difficult to recruit some of these kids from the south when all they hear all their life is "SEC". Of course if we started winning natty's that would be a moot point, but it just makes more sense for us to play in a competitive conference. We would see a HUGE jump in recruiting and would be closing on kids that have spurned us in the past.
I love the idea of both OU and Texas joining and STILL hating the SEC.
Super Conference here we come. NIL opened the flood gates, no going back.
Finebaum is all over this. He posed a great question. He said the SEC isn’t going to say no bc if they do they know OU and TX is just going to go somewhere else. They aren’t dumb enough to pass these two schools up.
The SEC is the best place for OU if there's realignment. Let it be.
Yeah, I think I would be more apt to buy season tickets for home games against Georgia Alabama, Auburn, LSU, then Kansas, Texas Tech, and West Virginia without a doubt!
wow wow wow
I live square in the middle of Aggie and Longhorn country...and without a doubt Aggies are way more annoying!! **** A&M!
Can we wait till the price of oil goes up before joining so that we have bagmen that can actually put money in those bags? Top recruits aint taking IOUs!
OU and their old money need to figure some shit out quickly.
Ultimately college football is headed in the direction of the programs with more money will be more successful. This move should lead to more money for OU and better recruiting at the cost of it being more difficult to make the playoffs. However that cost is offset by a playoff expansion so I am all about this move.
You clearly still don’t understand. A&M, Mizzou, and Arky football departments may not want it but that’s not what this is about. This is about big time money for these schools. Emotion will subside and cooler heads will prevail.
I mean imagine playing Arkansaw every year instead of Kansas. LSU instead of K-State. I mean we lost to the latter twice when we shouldn’t have anyway, so what’s the harm in upgrading competition? I say BRING. IT. OU is a big boy program. Alabama can be the new Nebraska.
I know I’m in the minority but I prefer a move to the Big10 over the SEC. That being said an SEC move is better than staying in a dying conference.
What is the appeal of the Big Ten? The West is blah. Nebraska is a pretender. The road trips are brutal. The way the league handled COVID back and forth was a disaster. No thanks. SEC would be a roller coaster but the culture is similar.
The Big 10 does make more sense purely from a conference balance standpoint.
LMAO. Yeah those games against Iowa Minnesota Illinois and Purdue every year would be exhilarating; HELL NO to the big 10 boring northern trash conference
Nebraska, Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St, Mich St, Wisconsin. Yeah you’re right, totally uninteresting……
I’ve outlined this before, but a Big10 move is not just about football, it’s about being part of the Academic Alliance (formerly CIC) and getting much more in R&D grant money. Nebraska saw significant increases since joining and OU and UT would be no different. It could pump $100m+ conservatively in to the state economy. It’s why Big10 has been my #1 choice. SEC was my #2, so I’d be happy with this as well.
Texas A&M board
Could the unthinkable -- Texas and OU in the SEC -- happen?
Sips are irrelevant. And they know it.
Hahaha I love how the tones are changing 5 hours after this broke. It was no chance in hell. Now we are here.
Not sure if the Longhorn fan base is culturally ready for the SEC, the horns down 15 yd penalty would cause emotional distress to many of their fans for not being called in this league.
tu and their big brother ou ain’t welcome in the SEC
I guess the odds of it happening at 50%. Get 4 pods, play other SEC teams like Georgia more often. LSU maybe gets Bama in another pod, so not every year they have to play them. Schools like Florida, Georgia, South Carolina never have to worry about their in-state rival getting into the SEC, 16 teams conferences are coming and the other schools the SEC would like, such as NC State and Va Tech, probably won’t be interested in joining and have many roadblocks if they do want to join. So, I see how this could happen.
The sips just admitted and legitimized that our move, and of course that little sliver of east Texas as being right and being BIG.
Every single sip, even customers of mine are going to get laughed at out loud. I am going to rub their proverbial noses in it. Smashed in deep and relentlessly. I despise them even more, which I thought near impossible.
F tu.
Like it or not if they can get past their arrogance Texas is a program any conference would take. I know that’s a huge IF and their track record has done nothing but scream they can’t.
Everyone thinks this is gonna be fast. Remember, it took months for A&M to get in and that was a no doubt, slam dunk deal on the SEC's side. This isn't.
65/35? 50/50? Y’all are giving waaaay more credence to this crazy fever dream of tu than I am!
WFAA-TV in Dallas reporting Texas and OU informing Big XII they won't be in the conference once media contract expires in 2025.
Wonder if they think they've got enough votes to get into SEC. Or if Sankey told them to come on down and he'll work it out with Bjork and Co. later.
The SEC will be the dominate 16 team league without texas. They could squeeze them out geographically by taking OU and Clemson (or another top ACC program). This would keep the balance of geography and power in the southeast, where the traditional schools want it. The league gets a national program (OU) plus a good carolina school. That preserves the SEC as the dominate league, no matter what everybody else does, They don’t have to deal with texas and their meddling arrogance.
There’s nothing about this possibility that interests me whatsoever. I’m struggling mightily to hang on to my college football fandom.
I think its unrecognizable now. NIL absolutely changes everything, it essentially rendered the NCAA powerless. Does that leave the conferences with all of the power? If so, and 4 super-conferences emerge, doesn't that equal 4 separate leagues with 4 different oversight guidelines? Maybe I am getting ahead of myself and the NCAA will remain as the overseer but I don't see how. Why would the SEC remain in a structure that rewards inferior conferences, i.e. every major conference gets a playoff birth
I'd also like to add in these strange times, that it wasn't that long ago that European Soccer was rocked by the idea of forming a superleague by poaching a few of the best teams from several countries' leagues. The idea dissolved in about 48 hours.
And so it starts. Baylor alumnus flex their imaginary muscles citing outrage while simultaneously admitting their parasitic relationship with Texas.
Make no mistake, I hate the idea of being in a conference with tu again. Their view of themselves borders on idolatry. But that being said, if A&M doesn't have 3 voting partners, then the vote will be unanimous. A&M won't die on that hill in my opinion. As far as receding back to the middle of the pack because of this potential move, I don't believe that for a second. We are becoming a serious SEC power and I believe we will remain so. The only difference will be that there is a stench in the room that wasn't there before.
Bullshit! If it ever comes to adding two from the Big 12-2 then the LAST 2 teams I’d take are tu and ou ! Add BU and TCU first. Rewarding bad behavior is just that! Bad behavior. When you have an advage over a competitor, the LAST thing you do is take your foot off their throat! I listen to the same people every time this comes up conjuring up reasons why it would be good. Look, screw them! They aren’t worthy of the SEC. Want an example? Picture this: imagine tu playing MSU. 30,000 cow bells going off in one hand and a horn’s down sign with the other. And the babies will want a penalty? Hahaha!
The only other viable league for them to go to is the Big10. The geographical disconnect would be awkward and it would really be a bad deal for texas and their fans. We could bury them if we kept them out.
Yes, but the Big 10 would love to have even more “access” to recruit our state.
Yeah, Sankey is definitely trying to advance this. Interesting that according to Mark no SEC presidents were consulted.
SEC even talking to texas is a huge stab in the back to A&M and not what we were sold on when joining.
Which is why you always get agreements in writing. We should have demanded 25-year veto power.
Oklahoma State board
Update: OU, Texas to the SEC?
Guess that means we wouldn’t be joining them 🤷♂️
lol A&M....
Oh boy. Hope we land in another P5. PAC would be the obvious one, but would be a lot of politics involved there. Big 10 probably too snobby to take us.
it was inevitable. tx and ou want to compete at the highest level. and can.
Wow
SEC needs to tell TX to pound sand.
2nd team would be OSU with ou
Tend to think this is a leverage play by both to get even more power and money out of the Big 12, but still makes me nervous about where we would land.
It seems like the Big 12 is as healthy as it has been in decades. I'm honestly surprised by this. Why not be big fish in a small pond instead of being in a big pond with a whole bunch of big fish?
At least we wouldn't have to lose to OU anymore.
Conference distribution is still $10-$15 milion higher PER school SEC vs Big 12. Plus, ego and recruiting is involved too but mostly money.
Can't believe OU is really considering this. They pretty much have an auto invite to the playoff every year out of the Big 12. Maybe they think with the expansion to a 12 team playoff then they won't need that anymore.
Right, the SEC will get 4 or 5 teams in every year.
Hello AAC
This would suck. If you get sick of the SEC worship we hear from the national media, just think how bad our local hacks would be if OU joined them.
Especially while we started hosting Colorado State, New Mexico and UNLV as our marquee home games every year.
OSU men’s and women’s golf don’t GAF, so neither do I.
It doesn't matter unless you can bring dollars to their league with fan base size, tv sets, and a national brand. We may be valuable enough but our viewership minus Texas and OU isn't all that great so don't be surprised if we find ourselves in a have not Big Twelve or AAC type conference. Our fan base isn't very large being second fiddle in a small population state. That translates to bringing less dollars for any conference we may try to get in.
If we are truly being unbias we have to be the next best choice after UT and OU with maybe KU right there...
True statements. Also an argument for pitching us, Tech, and a couple of other Big 12 schools as a package to PAC 12. Something like OSU Tech TCU KUorState.
All this because ou has to play Nebraska at 11:00 AM?
We need to be proactive for sure and the new leaders probably don't want to see us left out of a power conference on their watch though it may happen through no fault of their own.
I hope it happens. ou losing 4-5 conference games a year will be funny. I'm convinced OSU will be fine.
Be careful what you wish for
Here is a thought…I would go Big 10 in a heart beat. Play Nebraska, Penn State, Ohio State etc…
Basketball…hell yes…
Wrestling…hell yes…
Baseball…hell yes…
Golf…hell yes
What is Texas’s goal here? They have more money than they can spend smartly and they can’t figure out a way to compete in the Big 12. Making this moves basically makes them betas to A&M. Something is so off about all of this. I think there is absolutely smoke here but we are missing some big piece of all of this.
If this all blows up and conferences need to get to 16 I can't imagine any of that matters. The PAC was close to taking us a decade ago. Now I know that was different because we were tied to OU and UT but it is not like we weren't a super conservative state back then. Utah is a conservative state and they didn't hesitate to add them.
I know what you mean, but things are also much more polarized politically now than they were 10 years ago.
Also, I don't know why its assumed every conference would just go to 16 team automatically. They might decide not to, or put it off for some years, in which time the leftovers from the Big 12 would be in purgatory.
Iowa State board
Realignment Rumors
"There's a rumor in the air ....... it's killing me!"
I guess they miss playing Missouri.
With the CFP going to 12 teams, I could see them bolting as they may think their chances of making the field don’t diminish much by joining. This may also signal that the TV $$$ isn’t going to be there for the B12 in the next negotiation.
Quite the opposite. The new CFP deal will likely result in B12 teams getting more per school. I didn't read the article, but that feels like clickbait.
What the holy hell?!? I wonder if Missouri and Colorado would come back of they leave? Or Nebraska? I could see all 3 being interested.
They are playing poker with all the other teams in the B12. They think if they play this card it will scare the rest of the league and we will continue to kiss their ass and give them what they want. They're both Arrogant POS schools, in an alternate world I would love to see them go and end up like Missouri. A&M and MO have fallen off the name recognition screen, at least from my perspective, since they left.
My son-in-law who played at Colorado is listening to a sports channel in Houston. He says if this does happen that will be the end of the big 12 conference and they will probably merge with the PAC 12
If
SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey declined comment per the article.
No way WV would be in that group, and I am doubtful we would either.
ISU and KU to the Big 10? They at least fit better than NE academically and they already share major research programs with AAU status.
They don't like getting beat by the Cyclones and are concerned about that trend continuing (in football)!
Maybe….but no way would the hawks support that move
I have a hard time believing Oklahoma politicians would allow OU to bail on OSU
I would think both Texas & OU have had plenty of time to get their ducks in a row to make this happen.
I don't think this will drag on long; it's either already a fait accompli, or it will fall on its face soon.
Either way, I am sure our AD has a plan.
IMO, we would have only one landing spot as an option…..they would need to invite us and we wouldn’t get much support from IC unless the state got involved
I’m already tired of this realignment crap again.
Exactly. Oklahoma has the world by the tail right now, and Texas underperforms in the B12. Are they suddenly going to become world beaters by moving to the SEC? And Aggie would throw a hissy fit.
To
Yes, the whole reason for Aggies going to the SEC was to be the ONLY option in the SEC in Texas. If Texas moves in, the the Aggies become almost irrelevant to the SEC.
Yep, with the way things have changed in all aspects of life, I see this as an almost certainty. We are going to be in a bit of a pickle.
This could damage our class potentially, if true. Kids might rethink their choice.
In seeing all this, I remember comments from the late, great Paul Clark (well, he's not really dead, I just talked to him Tuesday). A few years ago he was saying something to the effect of Iowa State better get good in football and do so in a hurry, because conference realignment is coming, and in that musical chairs, good football gets you a chair.
Before we begin, on this early hour on the morning of Thursday, July 22, I am reminded of a classic line from the song "Here We Go Again" by the hip hop titan DMX (God rest his soul). "Here we go again. Same old s**t dawg it's a different day." Now that I have that out of my system, for better
Agree, think they go Kansas and look east.
Jesus, so now TOE adds KU to that mighty BIG West schedule?
Silver lining: at least we aren't talking about Squawk recruiting anymore.
Yeah, I’m putting this Squawk douche on ignore also… what a fu*%ing tool.
Cubs98 just joined in December, and already has a litany of anti-ISU posts/comments. Go fu*k yourself Cubs98!!
I agree with you, and I'd love to see have-nots block the haves on this. However, we are dealing with the SEC. Money and wheelin' and dealin' will be done.
ACC - has 14, add Kansas and WV.
Big 10 - has 14, add ISU and KSU
PAC 12 - has 12, add TT, Baylor, OKST, TCU
If this happened, I would be thrilled!!!
It would be an interesting turnabout to see ISU Fans flocking to NU and showing up in great numbers, like the Husker hoard used to do in Ames.
FRankly, I'm in favor of Nebraska being shipped with Iowa to the Pac 12.
A guy can dream.
I could give a sh*t if we ever play them again.
Kansas State board
What I'm hearing on another round of realignment
Would be like the nubbs / good luck
We're doing this again, huh?
I think both would fare much better there than the nubbs have in the B1G.
I would be interested in how divisions would align. If the Alabama schools move east that would make it a much easier road to success.
Oklahoma would. TX not so sure. Can you imagine the Texas boosters when they finish under .500
But if
Same old shit, dawg. Just a different day.
Don't care
OU would not like the SEC... they would struggle
Is there any way, we can take Brittney out of her conservatorship and put college athletics back in it in her place?
Ehh ou would easily be in the top group of the sec. the hilarious thing is that would end tamu’s chances of being in it. Texas would be Tennessee pt.2.
The super conference is coming and I’m not sure we want to be a part of it. No way we will ever be able to compete in a conference where free agency is a thing and nearly every other team can outbid us.
Unless drastic changes are made, CFB is about to become minor league FB. At that point what is the practical difference between a AA and a AAA squad?
Yeah, it is like nobody learns.
And the tax-exempt status of athletics should be revoked in said super-conference. Have fun with that.
fake realignment stories are some of the best way to drive clicks
it's amazing how it keeps working
Texas can't win the Big 12 so why would they want to go to the SEC???? More money? Hell, they already are the richest program in the country and pull in more revenue than any other school. Wonder how the SEC will feel about the LHN?
I guess by joining the SEC Oklahoma could lose to Alabama, LSU and/or Georgia in October instead of in January like they do now in most years!!!
I agree OU fares better. I don’t know how divisions would line up, but the $EC is great at spreading out losses with only eight league games.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"
They will, but only in the short term. A super conference will alienate 75% of college football fans and completely push away at least 1/3 of them.
What's the practical difference now? We all tie resources (time, money, etc.) into an inferior product as far as on field play goes as it is. Its because they wear a jersey that says the name of a school we either went to or have ties to.
been coming for 15 years
At this point I almost would like to see it happen. This way OU can get their shit pushed in during the regular season, not just post season. And Texas, LOL Texas... will just get their shit pushed in.
Its honestly a boring topic anymore
I can think of a couple schools that would likely throw a fit.
I honestly dont even care anymore.
Greg Swaim says...Pac 12 wants to add Okie St., Texas Tech, K-State & ISU
Take it now, no questions asked
I don't absolutely detest this.
Baylor to the Sun Belt?
This reminds of about 1:30am, Aggieville on a Saturday night, 2002...it's getting late and I'm starting to panic.
I like this better than picking up commuter schools from Texas, Florida & tennessee
Sign me up
Greg Swaim knows nothing about anything. Now we just need the Dude to weigh in and it will be a real realignment event.
That’s best case scenario at this point. I’m skeptical that info is accurate though.
We've reached the Greg Swaim as a reliable source stage of grief..
(Mike)
Texas board
Texas /OU expected to inform Big 12 as nearly as next week of future plans
Orangebloods publisher Geoff Ketchum and I checked in with multiple sources on Wednesday and asked about Texas’ desire to leave the Big 12 and join the SEC.
Texas and Oklahoma are seemingly ready to make that move.
A high-level university official informed Orangebloods the expectation is Texas and Oklahoma would inform the Big 12 as early as next week that both schools intend to decline on extending the existing set of media rights. The contract expires in 2025.
"That should start the dominos," the source told Orangebloods.
That major piece of news Orangebloods learned coincides with an earlier report on Wednesday.
Houston Chronicle’s Brent Zwerneman was the first to report Texas and Oklahoma reached out to the SEC about joining that conference. Zwerneman also said, “An announcement could come within a couple of weeks concerning the potential addition of UT and OU to the league, the person said, which would give the SEC 16 schools and make it the first national super-conference.”
In addition, Orangebloods was told a move to the SEC would signal the end of the LHN and that the school has come to terms with this. Another source told me he would not be surprised if LHN simply folded into the SEC Network (both are owned by ESPN).
The most interesting Texas-OU development centers around what did not occur on Wednesday.
Texas officials routinely dismiss stories they believe are inaccurate. Not one media outlet in Austin cited an anonymous Texas source that disputed the reported league change.
In fact, our sources did not want to directly address the rumor.
I previously reported a high-level Texas official’s response to me was “nothing to say” when I inquired about departing the SEC. A few hours later, the same source told me “When I can talk, you know I will.”
Of course, Texas officials believe Texas A&M leaked the story to make it harder for the Longhorns to switch conferences. Texas officials believe the leak creates friction for Texas and Oklahoma in the Big 12 and SEC.
Austin American-Statesman columnist Kirk Bohls reported Texas A&M and Missouri would vote against adding Texas and Oklahoma. Bohls said only two more votes against the Longhorns and Sooners would be necessary to prevent those teams from switching conferences.
However, a source told Orangebloods, “This will take some time but the interest by both sides is there.”
Wow, that escalated quickly
Well, bye
Woo to the F’in Hoo!
Let's Go!
College Station hasn’t been this despondent since..?
I didn't think I could dislike aggy more than I already do. I was wrong.
in the perfect world Mizzou would still rather be in the Big 10
We are actually GTFO!!!
Sark better be everything we hope he is
GOOD BYE BIG 12, IT’S BEEN NICE!! HOPE YOU FIND YOUR PARADIIIIISE🎶🎵
It is going to be an interesting couple of years. I wonder if any other conferences would jump in the bidding war before the deal is done.
Aggy trying to get the Big 12 Texas schools to contact the state legislature and stop Texas from leaving.
guys think about this for a second.. TEXAS and OU are 2 of the premier names in all of college sports...you dont tell the Big XII you intend to leave, without already having your next wife lined up and ready to get married. this leads me to believe this deal is closer to being done if not already done so than any of us can think of.
So is this expected to occur in 2025 after GoR expires or is the plan for the Big 12 to implode letting us out early?
SEC knows we are about to go on a run on basketball titles and wants some of this
Thamel saying we will get the votes.
If Aggie vote no, then they will always be looked at as scared cowards. All they have said was “anytime, anyplace” to play against Texas. And now Texas is ready to join, and they decide to vote no? Jimbo has to know a “no” note could be very damaging for recruiting and used against them not only by Texas but by all schools.
If this goes through, Aggie will look like even bigger beta bitches than they already do.
I know next to nothing how this will work, but I don't see how something this big doesnt blow up existing contracts. The $$ makers are just gonna let B12 run DOA for 4 years? Disney/ESPN/SEC leave money on the table for 4 years? I just dont see it.
There will be some saber rattling for sure. In the end, I don’t think it will matter
It won't go that long. They'll negotiate an early exit and be in the SEC starting with the 2023 season, IMO. They aren't going to play 4 more seasons after an announcement. That would be unprecedented.
So I wonder if this would this end up pushing Alabama and Auburn into the Eastern division?
This is where I’m at. I think these talks have been going on a long time, hence Ag doucheporter leaking this to make the boat rock. The sec knows there’s waaaaay too much good for them with this move, but aggie can’t help it as this was their only real trump card against Texas. I want to dunk on their face so bad, but I’ll believe this is done when it’s actually announced. But, it sounds like it’s headed that way extremely rapidly
Tell Aggy we will see them Thanksgiving 2022 in Austin for a little football.
Just tell me Bama's answer and I'm pretty sure how this will play out
No denials. Not even remote ones.
This is going to be a messy divorce, but Texas/Oklahoma are going somewhere. @Ketchum do you think the Big Ten would try to get involved? That might be enough to make them the top dogs.
Full speed ahead. There are no accidents
Nothing better for my Longhorn soul than a pool of Aggy tears.
SEC could make a peace offering to Aggie, Mizzou and Big12: let them join the Big12 in exchange for UT and OU 🤣
This really does make the most sense for splitting up the divisions…unless you want to go to pods.
East: OU & Texas fight it out with LSU & Aggy usually playing 2nd fiddle.
West: Bama & Georgia lead with Florida & Auburn contending.
I think joining the SEC has some downside that is worth considering. It isn’t a cultural fit and certainly not an academic one. And I cringe at the thought of chanting “SEC! SEC!” at any time.
It is very simple…the geography alone makes the SEC the priority location.
Kansas and Iowa State are AAU universities and it is a safe bet they are sitting by their phones waiting for your B1G call.
If I am the PAC, my strategic plan now includes a major invasion of Texas. I am looking at TT, UH, Baylor, TCU and Okie St. They desperately need central time zone product, imo, and that would open up recruiting grounds for them.
Why would a P5 conference want any of those teams? None of them are a value add proposition.
the panic in the room will be immeasurable
Hopefully the other Big 12 members acknowledge the reality and all schools are allowed to look for their next stop ASAP. That will expedite the TX/OU move.
In all honesty, the Big 12 has been dying for a while. No need to prolong the inevitable. Let the schools all find a landing spot before they are left with the MAC as the only option.
Oklahoma board
UPDATE THUR 12:36pm: SEC votes, OU issues statement, Texas and SEC reports
Some interesting quotes I've been given today:
"I don’t think there’s a lot of people against it. I think it’s bullshit. I don’t even think Missouri’s against it. I think A&M’s panicked and they’re trying to create a make believe tsunami to make people think there’s a lot of support for their position."
Another quote from a different source:
"I know everyone’s going to say this about people are going to vote no and all that crap, but I don’t buy that for a minute... But there’s not a chance in hell that the SEC is going to look at two brands as big as Texas and Oklahoma and say no. There is no chance. There is no chance. Those are two of the biggest brands in college sports. And football drives the SEC, just like it drives the Big 12 and if you’re ESPN and you’re ABC, you are not going to let some feelings get in the way of that much money. When you add Texas and you add Oklahoma to that television inventory on a weekly basis in the fall, it is a bonanza."
UPDATED THUR 10:55am
Been making a lot of calls this morning. And this is what I'm hearing.
I haven't run across a single source in the SEC that believes any other teams other than A&M would vote against OU and Texas joining the league.
In fact, most people believe that this would be such a good move for the SEC that the conference will sit down with A&M leadership and just tell them to stop fighting this, it's going to happen and they need to get on board with it.
I wouldn't be shocked if the SEC ends up announces OU and Texas were unanimously approved by a 14-0 vote.
Or A&M could just keep being A&M and they would announce they have invited OU and Texas to join the conference and not release the details of the vote, even though it would likely be a 13-1 vote.
And here's why it will be a near unanimous vote:
The powerhouses don't care. And few of them are going to be hurt by it. The non powerhouse schools love the idea of having Oklahoma and Texas coming to their stadiums and helping them sell season tickets as well as the hope that they can get better through recruiting Texas.
I am just not coming into contact with any sources so far that believe OU and Texas won't be welcomed in with open arms.
I’m down. In-season would be A LOT more fun.
Even if there is some unwritten or unspoken rule about no new teams from states with teams in the SEC already, I doubt that applies to a brand like UT. OU is good to go whenever, and might thrive there (Granted, if put in the West, having to play Bama and LSU every year would be a step up from ISU and Baylor).
LFG
Poor little Okie lite.
ANYWHERE BUT THE NORTHERN TRASH BIG 10
A&M is going to find out how Nebraska feels when they try to throw their weight around the SEC offices.
I get your point that Oklahoma’s playoff path wouldn’t be as difficult in the SEC if it expands. However I think the path is still more assured in the Big 12. Most expansion plans I’ve seen carry an auto bid for conference winners so it would still seem appealing to be in a league we dominate.
Hot Damn
Yea, I was skeptical at first. But, this story has legs.
We will need to upgrade our facilities big time.
Yes we would still dominate the Big 12. But we would make less money and it's extremely difficult to recruit some of these kids from the south when all they hear all their life is "SEC". Of course if we started winning natty's that would be a moot point, but it just makes more sense for us to play in a competitive conference. We would see a HUGE jump in recruiting and would be closing on kids that have spurned us in the past.
I love the idea of both OU and Texas joining and STILL hating the SEC.
Super Conference here we come. NIL opened the flood gates, no going back.
Finebaum is all over this. He posed a great question. He said the SEC isn’t going to say no bc if they do they know OU and TX is just going to go somewhere else. They aren’t dumb enough to pass these two schools up.
The SEC is the best place for OU if there's realignment. Let it be.
Yeah, I think I would be more apt to buy season tickets for home games against Georgia Alabama, Auburn, LSU, then Kansas, Texas Tech, and West Virginia without a doubt!
wow wow wow
I live square in the middle of Aggie and Longhorn country...and without a doubt Aggies are way more annoying!! **** A&M!
Can we wait till the price of oil goes up before joining so that we have bagmen that can actually put money in those bags? Top recruits aint taking IOUs!
OU and their old money need to figure some shit out quickly.
Ultimately college football is headed in the direction of the programs with more money will be more successful. This move should lead to more money for OU and better recruiting at the cost of it being more difficult to make the playoffs. However that cost is offset by a playoff expansion so I am all about this move.
You clearly still don’t understand. A&M, Mizzou, and Arky football departments may not want it but that’s not what this is about. This is about big time money for these schools. Emotion will subside and cooler heads will prevail.
I mean imagine playing Arkansaw every year instead of Kansas. LSU instead of K-State. I mean we lost to the latter twice when we shouldn’t have anyway, so what’s the harm in upgrading competition? I say BRING. IT. OU is a big boy program. Alabama can be the new Nebraska.
I know I’m in the minority but I prefer a move to the Big10 over the SEC. That being said an SEC move is better than staying in a dying conference.
What is the appeal of the Big Ten? The West is blah. Nebraska is a pretender. The road trips are brutal. The way the league handled COVID back and forth was a disaster. No thanks. SEC would be a roller coaster but the culture is similar.
The Big 10 does make more sense purely from a conference balance standpoint.
LMAO. Yeah those games against Iowa Minnesota Illinois and Purdue every year would be exhilarating; HELL NO to the big 10 boring northern trash conference
Nebraska, Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St, Mich St, Wisconsin. Yeah you’re right, totally uninteresting……
I’ve outlined this before, but a Big10 move is not just about football, it’s about being part of the Academic Alliance (formerly CIC) and getting much more in R&D grant money. Nebraska saw significant increases since joining and OU and UT would be no different. It could pump $100m+ conservatively in to the state economy. It’s why Big10 has been my #1 choice. SEC was my #2, so I’d be happy with this as well.
Texas A&M board
Could the unthinkable -- Texas and OU in the SEC -- happen?
Sips are irrelevant. And they know it.
Hahaha I love how the tones are changing 5 hours after this broke. It was no chance in hell. Now we are here.
Not sure if the Longhorn fan base is culturally ready for the SEC, the horns down 15 yd penalty would cause emotional distress to many of their fans for not being called in this league.
tu and their big brother ou ain’t welcome in the SEC
I guess the odds of it happening at 50%. Get 4 pods, play other SEC teams like Georgia more often. LSU maybe gets Bama in another pod, so not every year they have to play them. Schools like Florida, Georgia, South Carolina never have to worry about their in-state rival getting into the SEC, 16 teams conferences are coming and the other schools the SEC would like, such as NC State and Va Tech, probably won’t be interested in joining and have many roadblocks if they do want to join. So, I see how this could happen.
The sips just admitted and legitimized that our move, and of course that little sliver of east Texas as being right and being BIG.
Every single sip, even customers of mine are going to get laughed at out loud. I am going to rub their proverbial noses in it. Smashed in deep and relentlessly. I despise them even more, which I thought near impossible.
F tu.
Like it or not if they can get past their arrogance Texas is a program any conference would take. I know that’s a huge IF and their track record has done nothing but scream they can’t.
Everyone thinks this is gonna be fast. Remember, it took months for A&M to get in and that was a no doubt, slam dunk deal on the SEC's side. This isn't.
65/35? 50/50? Y’all are giving waaaay more credence to this crazy fever dream of tu than I am!
WFAA-TV in Dallas reporting Texas and OU informing Big XII they won't be in the conference once media contract expires in 2025.
Wonder if they think they've got enough votes to get into SEC. Or if Sankey told them to come on down and he'll work it out with Bjork and Co. later.
The SEC will be the dominate 16 team league without texas. They could squeeze them out geographically by taking OU and Clemson (or another top ACC program). This would keep the balance of geography and power in the southeast, where the traditional schools want it. The league gets a national program (OU) plus a good carolina school. That preserves the SEC as the dominate league, no matter what everybody else does, They don’t have to deal with texas and their meddling arrogance.
There’s nothing about this possibility that interests me whatsoever. I’m struggling mightily to hang on to my college football fandom.
I think its unrecognizable now. NIL absolutely changes everything, it essentially rendered the NCAA powerless. Does that leave the conferences with all of the power? If so, and 4 super-conferences emerge, doesn't that equal 4 separate leagues with 4 different oversight guidelines? Maybe I am getting ahead of myself and the NCAA will remain as the overseer but I don't see how. Why would the SEC remain in a structure that rewards inferior conferences, i.e. every major conference gets a playoff birth
I'd also like to add in these strange times, that it wasn't that long ago that European Soccer was rocked by the idea of forming a superleague by poaching a few of the best teams from several countries' leagues. The idea dissolved in about 48 hours.
And so it starts. Baylor alumnus flex their imaginary muscles citing outrage while simultaneously admitting their parasitic relationship with Texas.
Make no mistake, I hate the idea of being in a conference with tu again. Their view of themselves borders on idolatry. But that being said, if A&M doesn't have 3 voting partners, then the vote will be unanimous. A&M won't die on that hill in my opinion. As far as receding back to the middle of the pack because of this potential move, I don't believe that for a second. We are becoming a serious SEC power and I believe we will remain so. The only difference will be that there is a stench in the room that wasn't there before.
Bullshit! If it ever comes to adding two from the Big 12-2 then the LAST 2 teams I’d take are tu and ou ! Add BU and TCU first. Rewarding bad behavior is just that! Bad behavior. When you have an advage over a competitor, the LAST thing you do is take your foot off their throat! I listen to the same people every time this comes up conjuring up reasons why it would be good. Look, screw them! They aren’t worthy of the SEC. Want an example? Picture this: imagine tu playing MSU. 30,000 cow bells going off in one hand and a horn’s down sign with the other. And the babies will want a penalty? Hahaha!
The only other viable league for them to go to is the Big10. The geographical disconnect would be awkward and it would really be a bad deal for texas and their fans. We could bury them if we kept them out.
Yes, but the Big 10 would love to have even more “access” to recruit our state.
Yeah, Sankey is definitely trying to advance this. Interesting that according to Mark no SEC presidents were consulted.
SEC even talking to texas is a huge stab in the back to A&M and not what we were sold on when joining.
Which is why you always get agreements in writing. We should have demanded 25-year veto power.
Oklahoma State board
Update: OU, Texas to the SEC?
Guess that means we wouldn’t be joining them 🤷♂️
lol A&M....
Oh boy. Hope we land in another P5. PAC would be the obvious one, but would be a lot of politics involved there. Big 10 probably too snobby to take us.
it was inevitable. tx and ou want to compete at the highest level. and can.
Wow
SEC needs to tell TX to pound sand.
2nd team would be OSU with ou
Tend to think this is a leverage play by both to get even more power and money out of the Big 12, but still makes me nervous about where we would land.
It seems like the Big 12 is as healthy as it has been in decades. I'm honestly surprised by this. Why not be big fish in a small pond instead of being in a big pond with a whole bunch of big fish?
At least we wouldn't have to lose to OU anymore.
Conference distribution is still $10-$15 milion higher PER school SEC vs Big 12. Plus, ego and recruiting is involved too but mostly money.
Can't believe OU is really considering this. They pretty much have an auto invite to the playoff every year out of the Big 12. Maybe they think with the expansion to a 12 team playoff then they won't need that anymore.
Right, the SEC will get 4 or 5 teams in every year.
Hello AAC
This would suck. If you get sick of the SEC worship we hear from the national media, just think how bad our local hacks would be if OU joined them.
Especially while we started hosting Colorado State, New Mexico and UNLV as our marquee home games every year.
OSU men’s and women’s golf don’t GAF, so neither do I.
It doesn't matter unless you can bring dollars to their league with fan base size, tv sets, and a national brand. We may be valuable enough but our viewership minus Texas and OU isn't all that great so don't be surprised if we find ourselves in a have not Big Twelve or AAC type conference. Our fan base isn't very large being second fiddle in a small population state. That translates to bringing less dollars for any conference we may try to get in.
If we are truly being unbias we have to be the next best choice after UT and OU with maybe KU right there...
True statements. Also an argument for pitching us, Tech, and a couple of other Big 12 schools as a package to PAC 12. Something like OSU Tech TCU KUorState.
All this because ou has to play Nebraska at 11:00 AM?
We need to be proactive for sure and the new leaders probably don't want to see us left out of a power conference on their watch though it may happen through no fault of their own.
I hope it happens. ou losing 4-5 conference games a year will be funny. I'm convinced OSU will be fine.
Be careful what you wish for
Here is a thought…I would go Big 10 in a heart beat. Play Nebraska, Penn State, Ohio State etc…
Basketball…hell yes…
Wrestling…hell yes…
Baseball…hell yes…
Golf…hell yes
What is Texas’s goal here? They have more money than they can spend smartly and they can’t figure out a way to compete in the Big 12. Making this moves basically makes them betas to A&M. Something is so off about all of this. I think there is absolutely smoke here but we are missing some big piece of all of this.
If this all blows up and conferences need to get to 16 I can't imagine any of that matters. The PAC was close to taking us a decade ago. Now I know that was different because we were tied to OU and UT but it is not like we weren't a super conservative state back then. Utah is a conservative state and they didn't hesitate to add them.
I know what you mean, but things are also much more polarized politically now than they were 10 years ago.
Also, I don't know why its assumed every conference would just go to 16 team automatically. They might decide not to, or put it off for some years, in which time the leftovers from the Big 12 would be in purgatory.
Iowa State board
Realignment Rumors
"There's a rumor in the air ....... it's killing me!"
I guess they miss playing Missouri.
With the CFP going to 12 teams, I could see them bolting as they may think their chances of making the field don’t diminish much by joining. This may also signal that the TV $$$ isn’t going to be there for the B12 in the next negotiation.
Quite the opposite. The new CFP deal will likely result in B12 teams getting more per school. I didn't read the article, but that feels like clickbait.
What the holy hell?!? I wonder if Missouri and Colorado would come back of they leave? Or Nebraska? I could see all 3 being interested.
They are playing poker with all the other teams in the B12. They think if they play this card it will scare the rest of the league and we will continue to kiss their ass and give them what they want. They're both Arrogant POS schools, in an alternate world I would love to see them go and end up like Missouri. A&M and MO have fallen off the name recognition screen, at least from my perspective, since they left.
My son-in-law who played at Colorado is listening to a sports channel in Houston. He says if this does happen that will be the end of the big 12 conference and they will probably merge with the PAC 12
If
SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey declined comment per the article.
No way WV would be in that group, and I am doubtful we would either.
ISU and KU to the Big 10? They at least fit better than NE academically and they already share major research programs with AAU status.
They don't like getting beat by the Cyclones and are concerned about that trend continuing (in football)!
Maybe….but no way would the hawks support that move
I have a hard time believing Oklahoma politicians would allow OU to bail on OSU
I would think both Texas & OU have had plenty of time to get their ducks in a row to make this happen.
I don't think this will drag on long; it's either already a fait accompli, or it will fall on its face soon.
Either way, I am sure our AD has a plan.
IMO, we would have only one landing spot as an option…..they would need to invite us and we wouldn’t get much support from IC unless the state got involved
I’m already tired of this realignment crap again.
Exactly. Oklahoma has the world by the tail right now, and Texas underperforms in the B12. Are they suddenly going to become world beaters by moving to the SEC? And Aggie would throw a hissy fit.
To
Yes, the whole reason for Aggies going to the SEC was to be the ONLY option in the SEC in Texas. If Texas moves in, the the Aggies become almost irrelevant to the SEC.
Yep, with the way things have changed in all aspects of life, I see this as an almost certainty. We are going to be in a bit of a pickle.
This could damage our class potentially, if true. Kids might rethink their choice.
In seeing all this, I remember comments from the late, great Paul Clark (well, he's not really dead, I just talked to him Tuesday). A few years ago he was saying something to the effect of Iowa State better get good in football and do so in a hurry, because conference realignment is coming, and in that musical chairs, good football gets you a chair.
Before we begin, on this early hour on the morning of Thursday, July 22, I am reminded of a classic line from the song "Here We Go Again" by the hip hop titan DMX (God rest his soul). "Here we go again. Same old s**t dawg it's a different day." Now that I have that out of my system, for better
Agree, think they go Kansas and look east.
Jesus, so now TOE adds KU to that mighty BIG West schedule?
Silver lining: at least we aren't talking about Squawk recruiting anymore.
Yeah, I’m putting this Squawk douche on ignore also… what a fu*%ing tool.
Cubs98 just joined in December, and already has a litany of anti-ISU posts/comments. Go fu*k yourself Cubs98!!
I agree with you, and I'd love to see have-nots block the haves on this. However, we are dealing with the SEC. Money and wheelin' and dealin' will be done.
ACC - has 14, add Kansas and WV.
Big 10 - has 14, add ISU and KSU
PAC 12 - has 12, add TT, Baylor, OKST, TCU
If this happened, I would be thrilled!!!
It would be an interesting turnabout to see ISU Fans flocking to NU and showing up in great numbers, like the Husker hoard used to do in Ames.
FRankly, I'm in favor of Nebraska being shipped with Iowa to the Pac 12.
A guy can dream.
I could give a sh*t if we ever play them again.
Kansas State board
What I'm hearing on another round of realignment
Would be like the nubbs / good luck
We're doing this again, huh?
I think both would fare much better there than the nubbs have in the B1G.
I would be interested in how divisions would align. If the Alabama schools move east that would make it a much easier road to success.
Oklahoma would. TX not so sure. Can you imagine the Texas boosters when they finish under .500
But if
Same old shit, dawg. Just a different day.
Don't care
OU would not like the SEC... they would struggle
Is there any way, we can take Brittney out of her conservatorship and put college athletics back in it in her place?
Ehh ou would easily be in the top group of the sec. the hilarious thing is that would end tamu’s chances of being in it. Texas would be Tennessee pt.2.
The super conference is coming and I’m not sure we want to be a part of it. No way we will ever be able to compete in a conference where free agency is a thing and nearly every other team can outbid us.
Unless drastic changes are made, CFB is about to become minor league FB. At that point what is the practical difference between a AA and a AAA squad?
Yeah, it is like nobody learns.
And the tax-exempt status of athletics should be revoked in said super-conference. Have fun with that.
fake realignment stories are some of the best way to drive clicks
it's amazing how it keeps working
Texas can't win the Big 12 so why would they want to go to the SEC???? More money? Hell, they already are the richest program in the country and pull in more revenue than any other school. Wonder how the SEC will feel about the LHN?
I guess by joining the SEC Oklahoma could lose to Alabama, LSU and/or Georgia in October instead of in January like they do now in most years!!!
I agree OU fares better. I don’t know how divisions would line up, but the $EC is great at spreading out losses with only eight league games.
"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"
They will, but only in the short term. A super conference will alienate 75% of college football fans and completely push away at least 1/3 of them.
What's the practical difference now? We all tie resources (time, money, etc.) into an inferior product as far as on field play goes as it is. Its because they wear a jersey that says the name of a school we either went to or have ties to.
been coming for 15 years
At this point I almost would like to see it happen. This way OU can get their shit pushed in during the regular season, not just post season. And Texas, LOL Texas... will just get their shit pushed in.
Its honestly a boring topic anymore
I can think of a couple schools that would likely throw a fit.
I honestly dont even care anymore.
Greg Swaim says...Pac 12 wants to add Okie St., Texas Tech, K-State & ISU
Take it now, no questions asked
I don't absolutely detest this.
Baylor to the Sun Belt?
This reminds of about 1:30am, Aggieville on a Saturday night, 2002...it's getting late and I'm starting to panic.
I like this better than picking up commuter schools from Texas, Florida & tennessee
Sign me up
Greg Swaim knows nothing about anything. Now we just need the Dude to weigh in and it will be a real realignment event.
That’s best case scenario at this point. I’m skeptical that info is accurate though.
We've reached the Greg Swaim as a reliable source stage of grief..
(Mike)
