March 9, 2018
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Yep. A 17-14 record, 1 B1G tourney win, 1 NIT win, and Eichorst breaks out the Ferentz contract.
I find it interesting most people (a poll on here) agree with SE's decision to keep Miles, but on this poll (as of right now) most people dont think he will be the coach a year from now.
Polls are always the final answer, just ask Hillary. To be honest I think that Husker fan is always somewhat of a realist/pessimist bend, myself included. But just like Archie said in another thread, onward. If you're a fan that supports the program, support it until there's a change and then support the next guy. Us always, right?
I'm the opposite. I thought it was time for Miles to go, but I think we will be pretty competitive and Miles will probably do enough to keep his job
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Because you are so steadfast in your opinion that he's the wrong guy, you won't ever give him credit if they make the NCAA next year. You'll say "well the players did it in spite of him."
I wasn't a fan of Pelini, but while he was here, each season I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he would put things together.
Since he's been retained, why not hope for the best or would you rather they fail again next year just so you can say you're right?
As long as black uniforms are outlawed from being worn by the Huskers. That is pretty much UNO'S adopted color and to wear black at Iowa. That's stupid and they deserved to get a good a.. kicking
Good for you. You're awesome.
I said I'll support the team. That means hoping they win. Which part of that are you having trouble with?
Sorry I don't blindly support the basketball coach. I'm not the superfan you are.
I'm not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt because of their position. He is a below average coach, and has proven that for 5 years.
This is classic. You dont like that someone disagrees with you about the current coach so you try to silence them/make their opinion invalid by creating an image that they are bad fans who want the team to lose. You cant handle arguments in the realm of ideas and facts so you try to shut up the opposition or at least make others question the loyalty of those who disagree with you.
Classic. Crap.
I wonder if the same happens if I said Sparky's sauce should be replaced on the shelf by KC Masterpiece?
Nope. People would just say you're silly because everyone knows Sparky's is the best.
That's because if you want Miles fired in March 2017, you must be one o' them impatient, petulant millennials who grew up with a butler and is hell-bent on destroying the very fabric of society. But if you want to wait until March 2018 to fire Miles, you're one o' them good God-fearin' 'Mericans who pays cash, slops hogs, and never crosses on the DON'T WALK.
What an amazing difference between firing after Year 5 and firing after Year 6.
Sorry but I don't understand the concept of cheering for the team but not the coach. They are one in the same in my opinion. Now that Miles has another year, why is it hard to get behind him?
I also think we have a core difference of opinion of how hard it is to improve a historically low achieving team. The known ace coaches are few and far between. Roy Williams, Bill Self, coach K, Calipari, let's go ahead and throw Altman and Huggins in there if you want. From there the slam dunk hires aren't so easy to identify (though I'm sure I missed a couple). Those guys aren't going anywhere.
If fielding a strong team was so easy why doesn't Bama, Georgia, LSU, Colorado, USC, Missouri (granted they've been better before), A&M, Penn State, etc just demand the same thing you're demanding at Nebraska?
The only way to jump up is either convincing a top coach to come (as mentioned there aren't a ton of these guys available) or showing a commitment to a guy Or get lucky with a hidden gem of a player.
What I can tell you is that I haven't seen a team assemble this amount of talent since Danny Nee. That's why I want to give the guy his chance to at least have these core players reach upper classmen status.
Or we could do as you suggest and just go find another guy and start all over. I prefer to show a steady hand and see what this talent can accomplish next year. I fully expect at least .500 in conference. If they fall short, I will happily admit I'm wrong.
I also think we have a core difference of opinion of how hard it is to improve a historically low achieving team. The known ace coaches are few and far between. Roy Williams, Bill Self, coach K, Calipari, let's go ahead and throw Altman and Huggins in there if you want. From there the slam dunk hires aren't so easy to identify (though I'm sure I missed a couple). Those guys aren't going anywhere.
If fielding a strong team was so easy why doesn't Bama, Georgia, LSU, Colorado, USC, Missouri (granted they've been better before), A&M, Penn State, etc just demand the same thing you're demanding at Nebraska?
The only way to jump up is either convincing a top coach to come (as mentioned there aren't a ton of these guys available) or showing a commitment to a guy Or get lucky with a hidden gem of a player.
What I can tell you is that I haven't seen a team assemble this amount of talent since Danny Nee. That's why I want to give the guy his chance to at least have these core players reach upper classmen status.
Or we could do as you suggest and just go find another guy and start all over. I prefer to show a steady hand and see what this talent can accomplish next year. I fully expect at least .500 in conference. If they fall short, I will happily admit I'm wrong.
Look dude, you cheer how and for who you want. Support whoever you want. I am not trying to change your mind. I honestly do not care what you do. I come on here to share my opinions about Nebraska sports. If you agree great if you don't great. If you question why I believe something I will tell you why I have that opinion.
With that said, how long have the coaches been at those schools wollowing in mediocrity?
Alabama - Avery Johnson been there 2 year. They fired his predecessor Anthony Grant, who had won 58% of his games and had one losing season.
LSU - just fired their coach who had a 90-72 record and 1 losing season.
Georgia - Mark Fox has been there 8 years has won 57% of his games and made 2 NCAA tournaments and 2 NITs. Won 20 games or more in 4 of last 5 seasons.
Colorado - Tad Boyle is 148-83 in 7 years at CU. 5 20 win seasons and 4 NCAA tournament berths.
USC - Andy Enfield - going to back to back NCAA tournaments in year 4
Missouri - fired their coach
A&M - Billy Kennedy is 115-85 with a sweet 16 appearance last year's and 1 losing season in 6 seasons.
Tell you what, if Tim Miles produced like those coaches that have kept their job. I'm good
With that said, how long have the coaches been at those schools wollowing in mediocrity?
Alabama - Avery Johnson been there 2 year. They fired his predecessor Anthony Grant, who had won 58% of his games and had one losing season.
LSU - just fired their coach who had a 90-72 record and 1 losing season.
Georgia - Mark Fox has been there 8 years has won 57% of his games and made 2 NCAA tournaments and 2 NITs. Won 20 games or more in 4 of last 5 seasons.
Colorado - Tad Boyle is 148-83 in 7 years at CU. 5 20 win seasons and 4 NCAA tournament berths.
USC - Andy Enfield - going to back to back NCAA tournaments in year 4
Missouri - fired their coach
A&M - Billy Kennedy is 115-85 with a sweet 16 appearance last year's and 1 losing season in 6 seasons.
Tell you what, if Tim Miles produced like those coaches that have kept their job. I'm good
Do posters really tattle to the mods, really? I've seen it referenced several times in the past, but always thought it was mostly a joke. Like this post I quoted for instance, I honestly can't tell if you guys are buds and just flipping shit, or if you really did this. No explanation needed, it just made me wonder if people really did that stuff.
I am assuming he is joking, so I flipped it back at him jokingly. We are not buds, that I know of.
I would assume "silly" is not a prohibited word. Plus Sparky's is better than KCMasterpiece. So silly was accurate. Ha ha
The intent of what you're trying to communicate made sense, but you picked a poor example. There is like zero comparison between those two sauces, and you're drawing a good guy into your argument, so that is kind of like 2 fouls in one.
Why not? He shouldn't be the coach now so let's just keep giving him more opportunities to put this horrible offense and inadequate 3 point defense on the court for many more seasons.
I think the results of the polls are clear... People didn't mind having him stay, but they also realize that after watching this team down the stretch they aren't going to make the NCAA tournament next year. (Therefore the results of this poll) I hope they do and we can get this thing rolling in Lincoln, but for some reason the team just doesn't seem to me to be buying into Miles right now? Maybe it's the way he runs the offense, maybe they got sick of being benched after every mistake, maybe the were deflated with the way teams shoot against them? Who knows really... I just think that next year will be a pressured packed year for this program and every loss will be put under a microscope even more than it already has been. If he loses another non-conference game to a team I haven't even heard of before they step foot in Lincoln, I think it will be much of the same and we saw this year. Everyone playing & coaching on pins and needles, playing timid/tight basketball and results will mirror that..... If I had to guess I'm saying we just miss the tourney next year and we are looking for a new coach, but I hate doing that because you can't keep turning over coaches every 5-6 years and expect to build a program...
I guess I don't follow the logic of the turning over coaches every 6 years and expect to build a program.
If the coach hasn't built a program in 6 years, what does keeping him another 6 do. You will get the same results.
If Nebraska makes a change after next year, and the guy wins 47% of his games over the next 6 years, what difference does it make if it's him or Miles doing it. At least changing coaches shows you are trying to change the perception of the program. There is also the chance that you find the guy that will get you over the hump.
Flopping around at 5-7 conference wins per season, with the same coach, isn't building a program either.
If the coach hasn't built a program in 6 years, what does keeping him another 6 do. You will get the same results.
If Nebraska makes a change after next year, and the guy wins 47% of his games over the next 6 years, what difference does it make if it's him or Miles doing it. At least changing coaches shows you are trying to change the perception of the program. There is also the chance that you find the guy that will get you over the hump.
Flopping around at 5-7 conference wins per season, with the same coach, isn't building a program either.
Or got sick of getting benched when they were playing well. For example, Tschimanga probably had his two best games of the year against Penn State and Michigan. Both were perfect opportunities for him to get extended minutes, because NU led Penn State by a comfortable margin and trailed Michigan by even more. So with the outcome of neither game in doubt, you have a chance to let your young big man play on a night when things are going really well for him. Instead, both Penn State and Michigan "went small" so Tschimanga gathered splinters on the bench. But, Fuller got some very valuable minutes for when he suits up next year as a grad transfer at UW-Platteville or Minnesota State.
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I believe it was Lee B. who once said, "if you set the bar low enough, you eventually trip over it."
In Fantasy Land...if Miles gets the team to the tourney next year and ends up winning the first game, he will become a legend at Nebraska for winning the first NCAA tournament game in the history of Nebraska... then he will get his lifetime contract!
If next year ends up anywhere near this year, IMO there is no way Miles is here March 9th of 2018. This year ended the worst way possible.
What does next year's out of conference schedule look like? Is the strength of schedule like this year or is it easier so Timmy can try to get to 20 wins?
If next year ends up anywhere near this year, IMO there is no way Miles is here March 9th of 2018. This year ended the worst way possible.
What does next year's out of conference schedule look like? Is the strength of schedule like this year or is it easier so Timmy can try to get to 20 wins?
We have a good roster next year (on paper), and if Gill/Palmer contribute, Morrow stays healthy, and Copeland is a contributor; then I really do expect a good season. It's NCAA birth or bust for Miles and we all know it.
However, if it is another dumpster fire I would imagine that Miles himself would want a change of scenery just as much as we would want a new coach. I think the departure would be somewhat mutual.
Don't underestimate the power of another year of experience and motivation. These kids were all highly recruited and the juniors to be (which make up the core) know this is crunch time if they want to have any type of legacy here. I drink the kool-aid at times, but I do expect a really good season next year.
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Same guy is now on his knees defending Miles. Like I said, Barfy is as credible as a box of rocks.
A reminder that next season's B1G Basketball tournament will be in New York at Madison Square Garden.
And it will a week sooner then usual ( February 28- March 4) because the Big East Tournment will be played at Madison Sqare Garden the week after or second week in March.
And it will a week sooner then usual ( February 28- March 4) because the Big East Tournment will be played at Madison Sqare Garden the week after or second week in March.
When you look at the B1G, it is going to be damned tough to have a .500 record year in and year out for NU. Soooo, it would appear to me the only way to consistently have a winning record is to schedule more cupcakes in the pre-conference schedule. Dang the B1G is a meat grinder in both football and basketball. IMO, IF we can win half of our B1G games next year, Miles should get a lengthy extension.
Usually if you can finish 10-8 in conference in the B1G and don't have any bad losses and finish 7-8 in conference you have a great shot at making the NCAA Tournament...
Michigan and Iowa are good examples this year, Iowa losses to UNO and Memphis killed their hopes.
The formula for NU should be to make sure their schedule allows them to get at least 9 wins in the non-conference. So schedule 9 wins - all Division 1 teams, no freaking Div II rummies - to go along with 3-4 RPI builders. Of course, NU has to have a team capable of beating 9 little sisters of the poor (meaning no losses to Incarnate Word and Gardner-Webb) as well have having a legitimate shot at winning a game against an RPI builder (i.e., Creighton).
NU then needs to play .500 ball in conference - which should not be considered a herculean task. That gets you to 18 wins. An 18 win Big Ten team will at worst be a bubble team.
The above is not a crazy, unrealistic expectation. Being a bubble team should be the minimum expectation most years for a program with the resources of Nebraska. Having everything line up perfectly and break your way just to be a bubble team once every 10 years should not be acceptable.
NU then needs to play .500 ball in conference - which should not be considered a herculean task. That gets you to 18 wins. An 18 win Big Ten team will at worst be a bubble team.
The above is not a crazy, unrealistic expectation. Being a bubble team should be the minimum expectation most years for a program with the resources of Nebraska. Having everything line up perfectly and break your way just to be a bubble team once every 10 years should not be acceptable.
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