Originally posted by pandaczar12:
Originally posted by ssmith84:
Originally posted by pandaczar12:
See, you can't even get the most basic of facts right, joe said "with the benefit if hindsight, I wish I had done more". That means, know that I know that Jerry is a monster, I wish I had done more. Don't twist his words.
The problem is that no one has ever spent any time trying to convince us. You're simply saying "the world I flat and I don't have to prove it, and you're crazy to think it is round." You know as well as I do that you have no real basis for your belief and will say just about anything to avoid trying to prove your belief. If you're so sure in your opinion that you want to grandstand on a message board about it, it should be really easy to lay out for us crazy cult members. Or you can let a football rivalry cloud your judgement, keeping focus off of the "professionals" at DPW, CYS, and TSM that failed the children, and be an enabler yourself.
I don't consider PSU a football rival, so sorry. Try that with Pitt fans or something.
So why is Joe's statement that he wishes he would have done more, not enough for you and many others to realize he didn't do enough? He seemed to hold himself in part responsible. My basis for the belief is Joe Paterno's statement, I agree with him. Its tragic he, and numerous other people, didn't do more. He's probably rolling over in his grave watching the lengths that people are going through to absolve him of wrongdoing. So coming back to my original point, if your own prophet can't convince you, I don't expect anything I say to convince you.
Its troubling that the entire state is so messed up that they all let Sandusky go. The whole "you're the enabler" schtick is ridiculous, so you'd be best served dropping it.
All your rival talk is just distraction, you don't want to answer any of the tough questions. Why don't we get in to debating the definition of a rivalry now?
Did you not read my previous post? you twist Joe's words. Joe said "with the benefit if hindsight, I wish I had done more". That means, know that I know that Jerry is a monster, I wish I had done more. That is in no way an admission of guilt. So your entire opinion is based on twisting one sentence? Weak!
What more should Joe have done? He received a hearsay account the next day of at a minimum, a strange situation, at most... potential abuse. He witnessed nothing. He followed state law, university policy, and NCAA guidelines for handling such a situation. He put the witness in direct contact with the AD and the head of university police. That effectively removed Paterno from the situation. Joe even went so far as to follow up with the witness to ensure things were being handled appropriately. The witness seemed to have no problems associating with Sandusky for the next decade, because well he didn't see a crime. In fact the victim from the shower that night is on the record multiple times saying nothing happened that night. But back to the point, what should Paterno have done? Put on a cape and arrest Sandusky?
Of course you want me to drop the enabler discussion... because you want to sleep at night. Tell us why PSU/Paterno is more responsible for an ex-employee's crimes than the professionals at the DPW, CYS, and TSM? Surely you've researched the situation, and feel strongly that grandstanding about PSU/Paterno is the best way to help future victims. So help me learn from your genius. It wasn't PSU that cleared Sandusky to adopt children. It wasn't PSU that cleared him of all wrong doing in 1998. PSU reported Sandusky's behavior to his employer, and mandated reporter in 2001. Why don't you want to talk about the REAL problems?
