Jo Jo Domann
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Has played ST all year from the first game, he did not want to RS
If they recruit well you can do away with redshirting 75-90%of each class. Redshirt only 2-4 each class and cycle kids out every four years instead of every 5. That way you can get 25 recruits per class instead of 20.
Personally like to see him put on about 15-20 pounds and be moved to linebacker. Lbs are to slow
From what I have seen from our LB corps, if he was that great , he would have played more.
He can always Redshirt next year. This year we needed good athletes on special teams and he fit the bill.
love your gif! makes me recall when my two 15 year old boys played their first baseball and football games when they were youngsters as in your gif. we always had that one or two kids, especially in baseball, that were exactly like the first baseman in your gif. as parents, we'd think why the heck did that kid's parents make him play baseball when it's obvious he has no passion for competition? we actually had a kid who would play center field because he had zero talent and zero interest in playing. he'd sit down during the game and look for four leaf clovers. I kid you not!
One of my son's played catcher. He's a lefty and has always had a hell of an arm. The moron of a coach put a boy at 3rd base who was scared to catch the ball. So when Brendan would zip it to third base, the 3rd baseman would literally step aside and let the ball fly into left field. The coach refused to put someone else at 3rd base. Then I'd have to deal with the Mother of that boy covering 3rd base who'd yell at my kid for having the nerve to throw the ball hard.
we had another boy who had either asthma or some other type of respiratory condition and he couldn't run to save his life. We tried to help him learn how to take longer strides and pump his arms, but he simply didn't have the motor skills to do it. I felt bad for him because he really did want to play and tried so hard. His Dad was a royal prick and would yell at him during the game. There were times I wanted to go over and beat his a$$ but my husband would grab me by the arm and walk me to the other side of the field.
But honestly, now that they are both in competitive sports and surrounded by good athletes, it's funny to relive those days when it was more about the kids trying to figure out what the heck they were doing.
Everything I've heard about JoJo has been very positive. Do you think he'll contribute at safety soon?
It will be tough with Williams and Williams and Reed and Anderson already there.
Yea Gerry was made a LB early in his career. LB is one of those positions where you have instincts or you don't. Sounds like the kid wants to a safety and built to be one.
I agree with this in theory for certain players at certain positions, but it would be nice to have Maurice and Bando back for another year, as those were basically wasted redshirts. Possibly Gerry and Carter too, but they may have just left early anyways.
Would love to have some natural, badass linebackers. If JOJO fits put him there. Kids wanna play,
For every Banderas there are 2 Dwayne Johnsons and Zach Hannons that took a redshirt and never contribute. It's the good with the bad. If you recruit well, then you already have the replacement on the roster. In some cases, you will recruit a player better than what you are losing. I can see redshirting a QB at times and redshirting an O lineman that is a little light or one that needs more development. But simple math tells you that getting 100 players every 4 years is more than 80 every 4 years. When recruiting statistics show that the average team misses at about a 50% clip, it just doesn't make sense to keep players around after that 4 year point.
In my opinion, Domann is the perfect example of why you don't redshirt.
He is a very good athlete, can contribute immediately on special teams, but may never start. He gets to play college football for 4 years, get his degree paid for, and Nebraska gets a solid contributor for 4 years and gets the opportunity to replace him in 4 years and not 5
So we recruited a kid who was good enough to get on the field as a true freshman and we're not happy about that?
Some of our fans could fall into a barrel full of tittys and would come out sucking their thumbs.
Yes, it would seem that is the case. JoJo is listed as #3 at one of the safety psns. He may end up playing quite a bit by his junior year. He is known as a bit of a swiss army knife. The kid averaged 43 yards per punt and was 34/37 on PATs in HS.
I think with the Johnson and Hannon examples, it's not a question of redshirting, it's more of a question of when do you cut bait on players who are clearly not going to contribute.
Simple math also tells you that when you don't redshirt a player, you exchange a 22-year-old version of that player for the 18-year-old version. In most cases for OL, DL, LB, and maybe TE, the physical development of that extra year can make a pretty big difference.
I think the variable is that if you're going to simply let guys hang around and not contribute for the duration of their scholarship, it makes sense to turn the roster over more quickly and redshirt less players. However, if you are more active in managing roster (read pulling scholarships), it definitely makes more sense to redshirt more players, especially the ones at positions where physical development and strength is more important (OL versus WR, for instance).
I'm of the belief that he ends up being a bigtime contributor somewhere if he'll settle in at a position. Kid is apparently just football smart as hell. Maybe he'd be well suited to nickel if he's sort of a tweener.
I never liked them trying to make a BUCK out of Gerry. If you're gonna move him to LB you gotta put him at WILL and let him run.
Williams-squared will probably start a the safety positions next year, with Reed, Anderson and JoJo battling to back them up. IIRC, both Williams are on the field in the nickel package. That spot will be open next year. Lots of good talent at DB right now with only Nate leaving.
In the world of 4 year scholarships, the option of cutting kids loose is virtually gone. Best you can do is bury them on the depth chart and hope they leave on their own accord. That forces you to manage your roster through redshirting or not redshirting.
The 18 year old vs 22 year old argument is short sighted. You are making the assumption. That every kid that redshirts is exponentially better at 22 than he was at 18. While there is improvement, the 22 year old version isn't that much better than the 19 year old RS freshman version who is sitting on the bench or the 20 year old RS sophomore version sitting on the bench playing sporadically. So what happens is you get the 21 yr old RS junior and the 22 yr old RS Senior, basically 2, sometimes 3, years of contributions.
When you don't redshirt, the 18 yr old freshman comes in and doesn't play. Basically the same as a redshirt year. As a 19 year old soph sits the bench and as a 20 and 21 year old junior and senior he contributes. So you get 2 years, and if your lucky, 3 years of contribution.
The player who plays as a true or redshirt freshman at a top 15 program, typically isn't sticking around 5 years anyway.
Also, when you automatically redshirt as a freshman, if the kid is injured later in their career, that redshirt year is gone. Look at Adam Taylor and Jerald Foster, both redshirted and were then injured and had to sit out a large portion, or all, of a second season.
Also, look at a guy like T Furgeson. He didn't redshirt his freshman year, but did his sophomore year. That allows coaches to manage the roster even more by spreading out positions that are heavy one year and light the next.
Obviously there are many ways to skin a cat. But when you look at teams winning national titles, they aren't redshirting large portions of their classes, play who can play and cycle the rest through.
I'm not sure where you got the idea that I said every kid that redshirts is exponentially better at 22 than he was at 18. All things being equal, they should be better. Not necessarily exponentially better, but better. We can cherry pick examples all day long, the only point I'm making is that for certain players at certain positions, it makes sense to redshirt them. For others, it may not.
The positions where I think we should automatically redshirt almost every player are OL and DT. For other positions, it should obviously be more on a case-by-case basis, just my opinion. Yes, I realize that would have involved redshirting Collins who would have likely just left after his sophomore year anyways, but if we are recruiting well and building depth, there shouldn't be a need for a true freshman to contribute at those positions anyways.
You were trying to compare the ability of the 22 year old player to that same player at 18 By saying you are essentially exchanging the two years. In 95% of the players that is an irrelevant comparison. Most true freshman don't play at all. So the 18 year old version wasn't going to be on the field anyway. So it is a moot point.
you use redshirts to develop players and get them to add size, strength and speed. If you are recruiting quality players, they won't need the redshirt year.
Wisconsin redshirts entire classes, Alabama and Ohio St redshirts 3 or 4 per class. One group competes for national championships and the other wins 9-10 games per year but rarely wins conference titles let alone compete for national titles.
When you redshirt large portions of classes you, in effect, lose an entire class every 4-5 years. That doesn't take into consideration the 50-60% success rate in recruiting.
I think we've just gotten our wires crossed or something on this. You're saying "most true freshmen don't play at all... So it is a moot point." but earlier you cited Hannon and Johnson as examples of guys not contributing and hanging around. Are you saying we should have played them, even though most true freshmen don't play at all?
You're right that most true freshmen don't play, I guess I'm just having trouble with that comment, but also saying that we need to redshirt fewer players. Should we play bad players then?
By the way, below are links to rosters for Alabama and OSU.
Alabama shows 9 redshirt freshmen, 12 redshirt sophomores, 7 redshirt juniors and 7 redshirt seniors. Clearly, they don't redshirt only 3-4 per class.
http://rolltide.com/roster.aspx?path=football&roster=131&sort=class
OSU only show RS freshmen, and don't make the distinction between classes after the freshman year, but it shows 17 redshirt freshmen. Again, they clearly redshirt more than 3-4 per class.
http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/osu-m-footbl-mtt.html
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Was there someone who came anywhere near bringing up the guy who coached the team 2 years ago in this thread?
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Considering the sources track record, and the same crap being said on hph... save it.Was there someone who came anywhere near bringing up the guy who coached the team 2 years ago in this thread?
