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Jim McElwain goes ballistic on a player

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Did anyone see the game? Was there more to it than this short clip?

 
The kid deserved it...if you see the whole story he made a throat slash gesture that cost them 15 yards...the throat slash is the dumbest thing you could possibly do
 
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Only when the media portrays it that way...if my kid did that on the football field, I would hope he would be put in his place real quick. Haha!
 
I agree with SDhusker if a stupid player does something unnecessary and stupid that cost the team a 15 yard penalty the head coach should
1 publically embarrass the dumb ass
2 make him run stadium steps until he dry heaves
message sent and received
 
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Only when the media portrays it that way...if my kid did that on the football field, I would hope he would be put in his place real quick. Haha!
And you think thays how you put people in their place? No wonder the guy made a stupid move.
 
Only when the media portrays it that way...if my kid did that on the football field, I would hope he would be put in his place real quick. Haha!

I would hope it was handled with a little more class personally. McElwain looked like a giant hot headed douchebag IMO. Throat slash was dumb, but the kid didn't run out to midfield to do it, or run over to opposing bench. It was out of the end zone, away from most eyes, but yes it deserved to be addressed, but McElwain just made a horrible first impression. There are a lot of ways he could have handled that, what he did was arguably the worst and as far as I am concerned, McElwain will fail at Florida big time. It will be a complete and total flop because you can't treat kids like that now-a-days, they won't want to come play for you.
 
I would hope it was handled with a little more class personally. McElwain looked like a giant hot headed douchebag IMO. Throat slash was dumb, but the kid didn't run out to midfield to do it, or run over to opposing bench. It was out of the end zone, away from most eyes, but yes it deserved to be addressed, but McElwain just made a horrible first impression. There are a lot of ways he could have handled that, what he did was arguably the worst and as far as I am concerned, McElwain will fail at Florida big time. It will be a complete and total flop because you can't treat kids like that now-a-days, they won't want to come play for you.

As much as I hate ND, ask Brian Kelly how much people "dont want to come play for him" and he flies off the handle all the time. His face looks like a tomato when he freaks out...or how about Harbaugh yesterday? He looked like a lunatic, but I bet he sports a top 15 class next year. What would you rather a coach do sit him down in "timeout" and talk about his feelings? No. This is the way it is, period. As far as Mcelwain failing in Florida? Funny because a ton of Husker fans wanted him here when he was the hot topic.
 
I'm sorry, but that's not the way it is period. There are a lot of different ways coaches would handle this and they may be right or wrong. To me, this was a little excessive and didn't see the need to drop 5 forty bombs on him in 30 seconds, but to each his own I guess. If this is his style and players don't respond to it, then he probably won't be around long.
 
No problem with that. I am sure some ambulance-chaser that talked to the coach for a couple minutes at a luncheon one time, will excuse everything he does if this becomes a pattern. Problem solved.
 
Every coach recruiting against McElwain for a kid they really want, who has options, is going to be shown that video by Saban, Miles, Richt, etc. It simply made him look like a total asshole and he will regret it forever. As far as Brian Kelly goes, I honestly don't know much about him, outside of the great year where they over achieved and reached the title game, otherwise they look like a pretty average team to me and I don't hold him in the same high regard as others anyway. For the record, I would have taken McElwain, no complaints from me if he had been hired, but not over Riley and now that I saw that video, not over a lot of coaches. I feel like I just watched that TV show for the last 7 tears, and I didn't like how it ended.
 
I'm sorry, but that's not the way it is period. There are a lot of different ways coaches would handle this and they may be right or wrong. To me, this was a little excessive and didn't see the need to drop 5 forty bombs on him in 30 seconds, but to each his own I guess. If this is his style and players don't respond to it, then he probably won't be around long.

Im not saying that is the only way a coach handles this situation. It is like s parent, many different ways to get your point across and the is Mcelwain's way. I am sure the players have seen it in practice and know ggis is the way it is. Also, it seems the players are responding as the offense looks less inept than last year. I am sure after the fact he called the kid into his office and calmly asked something like "do you understand why I was upset?" And smoothed everything out.
 
Every coach recruiting against McElwain for a kid they really want, who has options, is going to be shown that video by Saban, Miles, Richt, etc. It simply made him look like a total asshole and he will regret it forever. As far as Brian Kelly goes, I honestly don't know much about him, outside of the great year where they over achieved and reached the title game, otherwise they look like a pretty average team to me and I don't hold him in the same high regard as others anyway. For the record, I would have taken McElwain, no complaints from me if he had been hired, but not over Riley and now that I saw that video, not over a lot of coaches. I feel like I just watched that TV show for the last 7 tears, and I didn't like how it ended.

I can respect that. And I know ND overachieved on the field that year, but recruiting wise, he still pulls top classes and the dude is a total hothead. Many different coaching styles and I dont mind some fire. But thats just me. I understand some guys like calm and others guys that want to run on the field and spear someone haha!
 
When Bo used to do that a lot of fans liked his "fire" and "passion" to quickly rectify the sin of the player calling his dad on his cell, missing a tackle, etc.
 
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I know and have seen many High School coaches at different levels (varsity, JV, etc) who have gone off of kids for doing something stupid.

I'd have an issue with a coach going off on a kid like that over a mental mistake. But a throat slash that gets you a 15 yard penality? I've got no issue with a kid getting his ass ripped. That ripping isn't just for him, it's for the team to see and keep in the back of their mind so they won't do anything that stupid in the future.
 
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Losing your cool in such an over the top way is a sign of being a weak person, such an attitude will cost him the respect of his team when things don't go well, the players will sense his weak nature and the team will fall apart.
 
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Im sure Bear Bryant lost his teams then..and Devaney? Want a more recent coach? Watch Saban on the sidelines. At least twice a year I see him completely lose it. Harbaugh is the same way. Chip Kelly...recruits hated him. Brian Kelly too. Its only when someone looks ugly doing it that people get upset about it.
 
I personally would rather the coach simply and calmly teach the player manners and how to care for others. And then maybe give a tour around a factory of some sort and then teach him to tie his shoes
 
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I personally would rather the coach simply and calmly teach the player manners and how to care for others. And then maybe give a tour around a factory of some sort and then teach him to tie his shoes
I don't know what the hell this means, but I bet you thought it was clever.

Turns out you were wrong.
 
Im sure Bear Bryant lost his teams then..and Devaney? Want a more recent coach? Watch Saban on the sidelines. At least twice a year I see him completely lose it. Harbaugh is the same way. Chip Kelly...recruits hated him. Brian Kelly too. Its only when someone looks ugly doing it that people get upset about it.
OK...How about Tom Osborne?? I would rather have a calm cool and collected coach on the sideline than a ranting raving loon. You don't have to be a demonstrative nut job to be a great coach.
 
Saban looks like a lunatic, too. But he wins. As long as you win virtually anything is acceptable. Shoot, OSU fans still revere Woody Hayes.
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Saban looks like a lunatic, too. But he wins. As long as you win virtually anything is acceptable. Shoot, OSU fans still revere Woody Hayes.

TulsaTom you hit the nail right on the head with my thoughts. I don't "prefer" one coach over the other. It is just that I can accept a coach freaking out and understand from the outside looking in we dont know the whole story. You can be fiery or mr. Nice guy to me as long as you. just. win. But people like to get upset because someone might have "gotten their feelings hurt"
 
Hbk I completely agree. I am okay with either style. It just seems more people do not accept the fiery style. I have personally been coached by both snd can yell you both styles of coaching were effective. I never walked away from the fiery coach hating him because he isually came back when I corrected it extreme positive too, but less people see that side.
 
As weird as it is to say, that was WAAAAAAAAAAAY more controlled than what McIlwain did. He looked like he had lost his damn mind. And not for nothing, but he came pretty damn close to hitting the kid with one of his geticulations. I get why you like it, you're all about coaches who flip the hell out but this was a bad display.

Oh I am sorry how about Brian Kelly? Is this one closer for comparison? My point is plenty of winning coach flip off the handle. Kids dont get all poopooed about it as many people think or these guys would not be able to pull in recruits.

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It's not about not hurting someone's feelings. There's nothing strong or tough about losing control of yourself, and unless McElwain is an incredible actor, that wasn't a guy trying to sternly correct a player or prove a point, that was a guy with no self restraint. A screaming lunatic is not an example of a strong leader, he's an overgrown two year old. It's possible that I'm misreading McElwain, but that didn't look like a passionate guy trying to instill discipline, that looked like a jackass.
 
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Did anyone see the game? Was there more to it than this short clip?

Look, while a public dress down isn't always pleasant to see from a head coach, they have their value. If a team needs to insert some more accountability and discipline, they can be called for.

I think if the act continues for 7 years, then we see that the method may not be effective. I'll give him a pass at this stage because Florida has not performed on the field as though they are a big boy program and sometimes this type of action is exactly what a coach needs to do to get a team to sit back and listen.
 
Losing your cool in such an over the top way is a sign of being a weak person, such an attitude will cost him the respect of his team when things don't go well, the players will sense his weak nature and the team will fall apart.

Give me a break. If a moron pulls out a throat slash, as a coach you make sure it never happens again. You let him have it, and don't look back. The kid deserved every bit of that ass-chewing.
 
Win, and he could wear a straight jacket on the sideline. That's what fans want, wins. don't get it twisted.
 
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Oh I am sorry how about Brian Kelly? Is this one closer for comparison? My point is plenty of winning coach flip off the handle. Kids dont get all poopooed about it as many people think or these guys would not be able to pull in recruits.

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For every one person who says they don't care, 10 feel the opposite. For every dad that say's, "I don't care if you do that to my son", 10 dads feel the opposite. I'm sure if you look hard enough you will still find people using a typewriter, but the rest of the world has moved on. As far as Saban and Kelly doing this stuff, I think Saban gets away with it because he wins so dang much. It's like a sitting US president with an 85% approval rating, he can do things that a sitting president with a 35% approval rating can't, that's how it works. Plenty of people think Kelly is a total control freak douchebag BTW & I wonder if he has that many fans outside of the state of Indiana? I also don't put Harbaugh in this same conversation based on his mini rant from last weekend, because while I didn't see the game, I did see the clip he freaked out on and it didn't look to me like he blew up on a kid, he just blew a gasket on the sideline. Big difference, though I didn't like it, I ain't putting his rant on the same level as McEldouche.[/QUOTE]
 
You want to make your point. Take away the one thing that matters to that player. Calmly tell him to have a seat. After the game, ask the team if anyone knows why the player didn't play the rest of the game. Message delivered, coach empowered, and player is held to account for his mistake. There's a pretty good reason you don't see Fortune 500 CEO's handling business like McElwain did.

Then again maybe doing your best raging jackass inferno is the key to unlocking human potential.
 
For every one person who says they don't care, 10 feel the opposite. For every dad that say's, "I don't care if you do that to my son", 10 dads feel the opposite. I'm sure if you look hard enough you will still find people using a typewriter, but the rest of the world has moved on. As far as Saban and Kelly doing this stuff, I think Saban gets away with it because he wins so dang much. It's like a sitting US president with an 85% approval rating, he can do things that a sitting president with a 35% approval rating can't, that's how it works. Plenty of people think Kelly is a total control freak douchebag BTW & I wonder if he has that many fans outside of the state of Indiana? I also don't put Harbaugh in this same conversation based on his mini rant from last weekend, because while I didn't see the game, I did see the clip he freaked out on and it didn't look to me like he blew up on a kid, he just blew a gasket on the sideline. Big difference, though I didn't like it, I ain't putting his rant on the same level as McEldouche.
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First I disagree with the 1 in 10 notion. Even if you look at this thread it is about 50 50 or 60 40. And for the record, I am not speakimg from the father standpoint. I am speaking as the player. I can tell you I have the utmost respect for the coach as it was a rip your butt one second, then give you props after for fixing it. Second, I could continue pulling clips all day long with coaches who freak. Saban gets away with it because he wins yes and no. Even when Saban was at MSU he was the same coach he is now. Kids are not deterred from playing for him. Both styles are successful. It all boils down to xs and os. Players ultimately want a coach who knows their stuff. As long as they know the coach has their back, most players are going to be okay with an ass chewing.
 
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