Jay Foreman on radio in Minnesota...

[timnsun]

I know some will agree with this while others will disagree...

Jay characterized the team as having battered wife syndrome... the team hasn't responded well when adversity strikes. Changing the culture has proven to be a bigger task than anybody realized.

He also thinks we come away with a victory this weekend because of minnesota's offensive struggles. Hope he's right... We will see.

 

[HuskerAlum92]

What's so frustrating about the first 6 games, is that we've been so close to being 6-0 and our coaches/players have made just enough mistakes to barely lose. It wouldn't take much of an improvement at all to be 6-0 right now. Of course if we were 6-0 with that minor improvement, we would still be a flawed team that would get boat-raced by a true playoff contender. But we wouldn't be suffering from battered wife syndrome right now.

Pelini had some very lucky wins that extended his tenure here by a season or two. Riley seems to be suffering from a return to the mean in the luck department. We just need something to go right so everyone can start to believe.

 

[huskerbux]

Comparing a football team, or any recreational activity to a battered wife is tasteless and asinine Jay. Way to trivialize a woman that gets beat by her husband. Pretty sure adversity is a lot less painful than a man's fist.

 

[HuskerAlum92]

Why do people insist on literal interpretations when someone is obviously making a figurative analogy?

 

[huskerbux]

Why do people insist on literal interpretations when someone is obviously making a figurative analogy?

There are plenty more figuratives out there to use. Football players don't have the best record right now when it comes to beating women so I'm sure it isn't so much of an analogy to some. It's a freaking football game.....why use the comparison of something so tragic and life altering as wife beating to make a point.

 

[Footballa58]

Why do people insist on literal interpretations when someone is obviously making a figurative analogy?

Because our society is too sensitive and prefers to stir the pot instead of use intellect and reasoning

 

[HuskerAlum92]

There are plenty more figuratives out there to use. Football players don't have the best record right now when it comes to beating women so I'm sure it isn't so much of an analogy to some.

All analogies are imperfect. So what?

 

[northeastNebraska]

Comparing a football team, or any recreational activity to a battered wife is tasteless and asinine Jay. Way to trivialize a woman that gets beat by her husband. Pretty sure adversity is a lot less painful than a man's fist.

 

[meo1960]

I know some will agree with this while others will disagree...

Jay characterized the team as having battered wife syndrome... the team hasn't responded well when adversity strikes. Changing the culture has proven to be a bigger task than anybody realized.

He also thinks we come away with a victory this weekend because of minnesota's offensive struggles. Hope he's right... We will see.

Didn't we try the 'Flip the culture' thingy already? And I wouldn't know, but if I had to guess, I'd think that if you polled H.S. or College football coaches, they'd say 'luck' has very little to do with winning football games, unless of course, he plays Quarterback. . And now we're counting on opponent struggles to eak out wins??? WOW!

It's interesting to see how many excuses people can come up with to ignore the Pink elephant standing in the corner. Reminds me of a classic movie scene:

 

[SDhusker12]

What's so frustrating about the first 6 games, is that we've been so close to being 6-0 and our coaches/players have made just enough mistakes to barely lose. It wouldn't take much of an improvement at all to be 6-0 right now. Of course if we were 6-0 with that minor improvement, we would still be a flawed team that would get boat-raced by a true playoff contender. But we wouldn't be suffering from battered wife syndrome right now.

Pelini had some very lucky wins that extended his tenure here by a season or two. Riley seems to be suffering from a return to the mean in the luck department. We just need something to go right so everyone can start to believe.

15-4 in games decided in the last minute? Lucky...? Debatable. He had bad coaching moments, but he knew how to win when there WERE close games( he also had the wheels fall off when there werent close games). Riley has had a tendency to lose close games at OSU.

 

[BornNBredRed]

Why do people insist on literal interpretations when someone is obviously making a figurative analogy?

I agree. That was ridiculous. I truly believe that every player was psychologically battered by Bo, so the analogy is literal IMHO. Bo is a sociopath. Every player should be getting counseling....seriously.

 

[timnsun]

Didn't we try the 'Flip the culture' thingy already? And I wouldn't know, but if I had to guess, I'd think that if you polled H.S. or College football coaches, they'd say 'luck' has very little to do with winning football games, unless of course, he plays Quarterback. . And now we're counting on opponent struggles to eak out wins??? WOW!

It's interesting to see how many excuses people can come up with to ignore the Pink elephant standing in the corner. Reminds me of a classic movie scene:

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Maybe people aren't commenting on the pink elephant in the room because not everybody sees it?

Coaching hasn't been great… But we won't know if the bigger issue is coaching or all of these "excuses" that you want to negate. At least, until more games are under this coaching staff's belt.

Foreman also mentioned how knowledgeable husker fans are, as well as how naïve. I would imagine that some would take issue with that as well… he is supportive of this coaching staff, so you can probably guess the fans that he is calling naïve…

 

[BornNBredRed]

There are plenty more figuratives out there to use. Football players don't have the best record right now when it comes to beating women so I'm sure it isn't so much of an analogy to some. It's a freaking football game.....why use the comparison of something so tragic and life altering as wife beating to make a point.

Those players were psychologically battered by Pelini. That is why he is no longer here. Psychological battering can be more damaging than physical....and longer lasting.

 

[SilentCommit]

Flipping a culture takes time. We'll get there.

 

[timnsun]

Didn't we try the 'Flip the culture' thingy already? And I wouldn't know, but if I had to guess, I'd think that if you polled H.S. or College football coaches, they'd say 'luck' has very little to do with winning football games, unless of course, he plays Quarterback. . And now we're counting on opponent struggles to eak out wins??? WOW!

It's interesting to see how many excuses people can come up with to ignore the Pink elephant standing in the corner. Reminds me of a classic movie scene:

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Also, when you mention flipping the culture, are you referencing what Callahan attempted? If so, I'd say comparing the two are apples and oranges. the players Callahan inherited weren't as fragile (I hate to use that word) as the players Riley has inherited.

 

[jteten]

Forget the culture crap. Its the system change and a few decisions down the stretch (players and coaches) that have cost us some games.

 

[rrthusker]

Minnesota has struggled on offense but so have we. This game has dud written all over it.

 

[dinglefritz]

There are plenty more figuratives out there to use. Football players don't have the best record right now when it comes to beating women so I'm sure it isn't so much of an analogy to some. It's a freaking football game.....why use the comparison of something so tragic and life altering as wife beating to make a point.

Battered wife syndrome is not a bad analogy for what some of the players have endured. There is no question that there was at least physical intimidation at times and certainly psychological intimidation often times. (see TM finger in the chest). If you think that was the only time things like that happened you would be mistaken. There is absolutely NO question that there was emotionally abusive behavior. Pelini's parting speech after he was fired was just more evidence of the kind of crap that he was spewing on a regular basis. While the seriousness of what Pelini did is no where near a man beating his wife it should be noted that there doesn't have to be physical abuse for a woman to suffer from "battered wife syndrome". There is in fact a similarity in the psychology and behavior and is probably about the only analogy one can use to describe it.

 

[Wasker77]

Oh, Gosh, by golly, if we just close our eyes and hope and pray I bet we will win all our remaining games. Everyone rub their favorite coin and pull out their prized rabbit's foot. That mean ol Bo Pelini sucked out all the good karma and left poor Mike with nothing. It's just pure bad luck we have lost 4 games. There can't be any other possible reason to explain it. After all Coach Riley rides a bike to work, doesn't swear and is a really nice man so he just as to be a great coach.

 

[MemorialRedWarrior]

I know some will agree with this while others will disagree...

Jay characterized the team as having battered wife syndrome... the team hasn't responded well when adversity strikes. Changing the culture has proven to be a bigger task than anybody realized.

He also thinks we come away with a victory this weekend because of minnesota's offensive struggles. Hope he's right... We will see.

Minnesotas offense is terrible right now. Their defense is okay, but not great. The problem is that it seems as if they have more momentum and confidence right now. I do not think though that they are on paper, the better football team. I think we can win this one. It'll be close though. Maybe a close win is what we need.

 

[huskernation13]

There are plenty more figuratives out there to use. Football players don't have the best record right now when it comes to beating women so I'm sure it isn't so much of an analogy to some. It's a freaking football game.....why use the comparison of something so tragic and life altering as wife beating to make a point.

So then I would expect that nobody should ever say something like "Were gonna BEAT Minnesota"' or We're gonna KILL Northwestern"? what's the difference, yet we use those analogies all the time

 

[Tulsa Tom]

So then I would expect that nobody should ever say something like "Were gonna BEAT Minnesota"' or We're gonna KILL Northwestern"? what's the difference, yet we use those analogies all the time

I think we take our anger and angst from the beatings by Bo and deflect it on to the red-headed step children from Minnesota.

Gophers 14
Big Red Battered Wives 24

Yeah...nothing wrong with that.

 

[huskerbux]

Because our society is too sensitive and prefers to stir the pot instead of use intellect and reasoning

Battered wife syndrome is not a bad analogy for what some of the players have endured. There is no question that there was at least physical intimidation at times and certainly psychological intimidation often times. (see TM finger in the chest). If you think that was the only time things like that happened you would be mistaken. There is absolutely NO question that there was emotionally abusive behavior. Pelini's parting speech after he was fired was just more evidence of the kind of crap that he was spewing on a regular basis. While the seriousness of what Pelini did is no where near a man beating his wife it should be noted that there doesn't have to be physical abuse for a woman to suffer from "battered wife syndrome". There is in fact a similarity in the psychology and behavior and is probably about the only analogy one can use to describe it.

So I'm too sensitive for thinking maybe we shouldn't compare the actually beating of a woman to getting chewed out by a coach?

How many times did it get posted on this very board that these kids need to toughen up? Quit crying because you get yelled at by your coaches.

But as soon as an ex-husker uses the analogy of the kids getting yelled at to a man beating up a woman, then its viewed as a real problem?!?!?!

Oh Lordy some of you have messed up thought patterns. And dinglefritz, sorry but by definition, BWS is the result of physical abuse. It may also include psychological abuse as well but the legal term of battery is the act of touching.

 

[huskerbux]

Also love the idea that we as fans have to put some sort of moniker on why we are 2-4. Battered wives syndrome. That one takes the cake.

"We are Nebraska, so there has to be some sort of deep psychological reason we are 2-4." We can't just be 2-4 because we have zero depth and guys keep getting hurt. Nope that can't be it.

 

[timnsun]

Also love the idea that we as fans have to put some sort of moniker on why we are 2-4. Battered wives syndrome. That one takes the cake.

"We are Nebraska, so there has to be some sort of deep psychological reason we are 2-4." We can't just be 2-4 because we have zero depth and guys keep getting hurt. Nope that can't be it.

You're right. And no way can it be psychological either. Football players are exempt from psychological maladies. Just cause they are bigger and tougher.

 

[huskerbux]

I agree. That was ridiculous. I truly believe that every player was psychologically battered by Bo, so the analogy is literal IMHO. Bo is a sociopath. Every player should be getting counseling....seriously.

You're right. And no way can it be psychological either. Football players are exempt from psychological maladies. Just cause they are bigger and tougher.

All of them? Every single one of them? Quite the stretch.

Again, I'm the too sensitive one?

 

[RKA33]

I know some will agree with this while others will disagree...

Jay characterized the team as having battered wife syndrome... the team hasn't responded well when adversity strikes. Changing the culture has proven to be a bigger task than anybody realized.

He also thinks we come away with a victory this weekend because of minnesota's offensive struggles. Hope he's right... We will see.

There a shocker flippin Minnesota has radios.

 

[Lincoln100]

15-4 in games decided in the last minute? Lucky...? Debatable. He had bad coaching moments, but he knew how to win when there WERE close games( he also had the wheels fall off when there werent close games). Riley has had a tendency to lose close games at OSU.

You mean like getting phantom interference calls by the other team in the last seconds giving us new downs and short distance (MSU), having multiple players drop easy ints on our last possession and field goal kickers missing (Northwestern), great play-calling on that hailmary we completed to win (Northwestern), having that wide-receiver line up incorrectly on the go-ahead touchdown that was called back (McNeese State). Should I continue?

 

[timnsun]

All of them? Every single one of them? Quite the stretch.

Again, I'm the too sensitive one?

Come on, seriously? You know as well as the rest of us it doesn't have to be all of them for it to be a problem.

My point is there is too much going on on this board where some say the problem is all coaching, others say the problem is all lack of talent, still others say it is mind games...

Is it really that far fetched to believe that it couldn't be all of these things? When did I say this is the reason and it's the only reason?

 

[Lincoln100]

Minnesota has struggled on offense but so have we. This game has dud written all over it.

Agree. I don't like our chances. Appears our coaching staff is run-challenged, and unless TA is sharp, there will be lots of 3 and outs again, and our D will eventually tire, and whittle away.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

I think we take our anger and angst from the beatings by Bo and deflect it on to the red-headed step children from Minnesota.

Gophers 14
Big Red Battered Wives 24

Yeah...nothing wrong with that.

Why are you calling out Jay Foreman? (Am I doing this right?)

 

[huskerbux]

Come on, seriously? You know as well as the rest of us it doesn't have to be all of them for it to be a problem.

My point is there is too much going on on this board where some say the problem is all coaching, others say the problem is all lack of talent, still others say it is mind games...

Is it really that far fetched to believe that it couldn't be all of these things? When did I say this is the reason and it's the only reason?

Timnsun......the quote from BornNBredRed said every single player. Twice. So no, I didn't mean to imply you did, but as you can see there are people who seriously think that is the problem.
I agree, it is a combination of many things. I know I even put down the lack of depth as the issue....and that's being too precise as well so my bad there.

I took offense to the battered wife syndrome remark....and unless you've had someone in your life who has gone through that, I'm not sure you'd understand. My point to all this is that there is no life threatening fear every day of the kids life when a coach yells at him. So for anyone to say I'm being too sensitive and that the verbal and psychological abuse some of these kids may have received is a good analogy is just plain crazy. I stand by that. Its football.

 

[Tulsa Tom]

15-4 in games decided in the last minute? Lucky...? Debatable. He had bad coaching moments, but he knew how to win when there WERE close games( he also had the wheels fall off when there werent close games). Riley has had a tendency to lose close games at OSU.

Amazing how psychologically damaged, "battered wife-type" athletes could win that many close games.

 

[Tulsa Tom]

Why are you calling out Jay Foreman? (Am I doing this right?)

Because he deserves it.

 

[BornNBredRed]

Timnsun......the quote from BornNBredRed said every single player. Twice. So no, I didn't mean to imply you did, but as you can see there are people who seriously think that is the problem.
I agree, it is a combination of many things. I know I even put down the lack of depth as the issue....and that's being too precise as well so my bad there.

I took offense to the battered wife syndrome remark....and unless you've had someone in your life who has gone through that, I'm not sure you'd understand. My point to all this is that there is no life threatening fear every day of the kids life when a coach yells at him. So for anyone to say I'm being too sensitive and that the verbal and psychological abuse some of these kids may have received is a good analogy is just plain crazy. I stand by that. Its football.

Yes.....I believe that every single player that was on the roster suffered psychologically from their contact with Bo. Some more, some less. Hell, I think most residents of the state suffered from the actions of that sociopath. The message that he brainwashed into every kid that you can trust nobody outside the locker room is sociopathic and damaging.

 

[timnsun]

Timnsun......the quote from BornNBredRed said every single player. Twice. So no, I didn't mean to imply you did, but as you can see there are people who seriously think that is the problem.
I agree, it is a combination of many things. I know I even put down the lack of depth as the issue....and that's being too precise as well so my bad there.

I took offense to the battered wife syndrome remark....and unless you've had someone in your life who has gone through that, I'm not sure you'd understand. My point to all this is that there is no life threatening fear every day of the kids life when a coach yells at him. So for anyone to say I'm being too sensitive and that the verbal and psychological abuse some of these kids may have received is a good analogy is just plain crazy. I stand by that. Its football.

Sorry, I missed BNBR's part.

I understand your offense at how Foreman characterized it. He could have said it differently for sure.

 

[SDhusker12]

You mean like getting phantom interference calls by the other team in the last seconds giving us new downs and short distance (MSU), having multiple players drop easy ints on our last possession and field goal kickers missing (Northwestern), great play-calling on that hailmary we completed to win (Northwestern), having that wide-receiver line up incorrectly on the go-ahead touchdown that was called back (McNeese State). Should I continue?

Its called football...by that argument you can argue every good or bad thing to happen to any given team. If he were to have had just those few that he won thats luck...but 15-4 is a large enough dample size to know its not all luck...its not like its was 5-1 or some small number. Fact is we won those games and...now we cany

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Because he deserves it.

How very hypocritical of you. So you're saying it is only ok for a lying preacher to question a player/former player? Is that how it is supposed to work? Or is it allowed only if it fits your agenda? Awesome.

 

[Lincoln100]

Its called football...by that argument you can argue every good or bad thing to happen to any given team. If he were to have had just those few that he won thats luck...but 15-4 is a large enough dample size to know its not all luck...its not like its was 5-1 or some small number. Fact is we won those games and...now we cany

No. You said "he knew how to win when there were close games," clearly taking the position that he was doing something at the end of the game to get us through it. If the other team is dropping pix that would end the game, or missing field goals at the end, or NU is given a new set of downs on a terrible interference call on the other team, or completing a hailmary on the last play . . . those aren't things that Bo did to get us the W. You are right though, it is called "football."

 

[SDhusker12]

No. You said "he knew how to win when there were close games," clearly taking the position that he was doing something at the end of the game to get us through it. If the other team is dropping pix that would end the game, or missing field goals at the end, or NU is given a new set of downs on a terrible interference call on the other team, or completing a hailmary on the last play . . . those aren't things that Bo did to get us the W. You are right though, it is called "football."

So your telling me he got 'lucky' 15 times? Come on I know people hate the guy for his attitude and blowouts, but he won the close ones.