IYO, how far behind is the BIG 10 West, compared to the BIG 10 East?

[kennercaleb32]

I agree with Ohio State and Michigan State being legit top 10. Penn State and Michigan appear to be trending up given their recruiting emphasis.

Nebraska and Wisconsin aren't legit top 10, and don't seem to have the recruiting chops on board yet.

Totally get what you're saying but recruiting doesn't mean anything if you can't win games cough, cough *Brady Hoke*. Also, the recruiting class in 2016 for the Huskers may end up higher than Michigan, Michigan State, and possibly Penn State. The 2017 recruiting offers and interests from those players are also exciting. I thinkthe West will have a 3-Head monster with Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Nebraska. Remember, Minnesota gave Ohio State all it could handle last year. Coaching goes a long ways and Nebraska has tons of experience. This could be the year the West can make a dent in the East. Time will tell and as always GBR!

 

[otismotis08]

Totally get what you're saying but recruiting doesn't mean anything if you can't win games cough, cough *Brady Hoke*. Also, the recruiting class in 2016 for the Huskers may end up higher than Michigan, Michigan State, and possibly Penn State. The 2017 recruiting offers and interests from those players are also exciting. I thinkthe West will have a 3-Head monster with Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Nebraska. Remember, Minnesota gave Ohio State all it could handle last year. Coaching goes a long ways and Nebraska has tons of experience. This could be the year the West can make a dent in the East. Time will tell and as always GBR!

True dat. At the end of the day, winning the games is what matters. If HCMR and his staff can win enough this year, and keep climbing the recruiting ladder, we just might get there faster than Michigan and Penn State. I still have a lingering concern that these two schools may boatrace us in recruiting and may hit their stride before we do. Time is of the essence as HCMR can't keep coaching forever.

 

[GBR_Atlanta]

Totally get what you're saying but recruiting doesn't mean anything if you can't win games cough, cough *Brady Hoke*. Also, the recruiting class in 2016 for the Huskers may end up higher than Michigan, Michigan State, and possibly Penn State. The 2017 recruiting offers and interests from those players are also exciting. I thinkthe West will have a 3-Head monster with Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Nebraska. Remember, Minnesota gave Ohio State all it could handle last year. Coaching goes a long ways and Nebraska has tons of experience. This could be the year the West can make a dent in the East. Time will tell and as always GBR!

Good post. NU also had good leads on both Minnesota and Wiscy last year before the melt downs. NU has almost all the tools to be pretty good this year. I'm loving the recruiting class so far. Winning will help us keep the momentum.

 

[vic.valiant]

I think the West is unfairly knocked because we lack that front runner.

Thoughts?

I would argue that the perception of the B10 west is not the lack of a quality front runner but rather the overall depth of the division.

Nebraska is Nebraska and Wisconsin has made HUGE strides and has deservedly gained national recognition and respect over the past couple of decades.

Both will get their share of divisional championships but I don't see anybody else being good enough to challenge either squad let alone on a consistent basis.

OSU and MSU have been playing at an exceptionally high level as of late and it could be argued that nobody in the east can challenge them as well.

Fair argument but I'd take OSU/MSU over NU/UW any day so the lack of contenders is understandable.

After that I think the East matches up well against the West.

Top to bottom head to head the east takes 5 of 7 games imo.

Go Blue!

 

[Cornicator]

I would argue that the perception of the B10 west is not the lack of a quality front runner but rather the overall depth of the division.

Nebraska is Nebraska and Wisconsin has made HUGE strides and has deservedly gained national recognition and respect over the past couple of decades.

Both will get their share of divisional championships but I don't see anybody else being good enough to challenge either squad let alone on a consistent basis.

OSU and MSU have been playing at an exceptionally high level as of late and it could be argued that nobody in the east can challenge them as well.

Fair argument but I'd take OSU/MSU over NU/UW any day so the lack of contenders is understandable.

After that I think the East matches up well against the West.

Top to bottom head to head the east takes 5 of 7 games imo.

Go Blue!

This is the consummate Michigan Fan comment:

Wisconsin has won 3 conference titles in the last 5 seasons, and more titles in the last 20 years than Michigan.

And yet, "they've made huge strides."

LMAO at the Michigan Arrogance.


Nebraska is 8-4 vs. Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, and Ohio State since coming into the Big Ten. But they're only 1-3 vs. Wisconsin.


National Perception is laughable.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Oh, I'd say about 59 points behind right now.

 

[hawkit3113]

Oh, I'd say about 59 points behind right now.

Well done.

 

[SpartanJD]

This is the consummate Michigan Fan comment:

Wisconsin has won 3 conference titles in the last 5 seasons, and more titles in the last 20 years than Michigan.

And yet, "they've made huge strides."

LMAO at the Michigan Arrogance.


Nebraska is 8-4 vs. Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, and Ohio State since coming into the Big Ten. But they're only 1-3 vs. Wisconsin.


National Perception is laughable.

Sorry but Wisky isn't in the same league as OSU, of course, or MSU. Wisky has played cake schedules in conference and benefitted greatly from new rules to give you 2 of those 3 championships.

The problem is, Ohio State and Michigan State own Wisconsin. When you consistently lose to the top teams in the conference you lose respect. MSU beat Wisky in 2010, 2011, and 2012. We all know what happened when OSU played Wisky last year Wisconsin loses their bowl games also, to boot. Biggest bowl win in like 9 years was a squeeker in OT over an 8 win Auburn team.

You lost 3 straight Rose Bowls because you just really weren't that good. And 2 of those 3 games you played in the Rose was against typically substandard Rose Bowl teams.

 

[otismotis08]

The more posts that surface in this thread, the more I say let's "clean our own kitchen" first. Everything else is outside of our control.

 

[hawkit3113]

The more posts that surface in this thread, the more I say let's "clean our own kitchen" first. Everything else is outside of our control.

Yeah, that is what its going to boil down too. Win. Period. And especially against the East.

 

[ExxHusker]

NW = Northwestern. Would that work?

 

[St. Anger]

This is the consummate Michigan Fan comment:

Wisconsin has won 3 conference titles in the last 5 seasons, and more titles in the last 20 years than Michigan.

And yet, "they've made huge strides."

LMAO at the Michigan Arrogance.


Nebraska is 8-4 vs. Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, and Ohio State since coming into the Big Ten. But they're only 1-3 vs. Wisconsin.


National Perception is laughable.

I think if you just forget the fact that he's a Michigan fan, what he said is pretty accurate.

 

[nebcountry]

I think if you just forget the fact that he's a Michigan fan, what he said is pretty accurate.

There's some NU fans that like Wisconsin because Alvarez played football for NU. Subtract Ron Dayne and two year from Wisconsin's record, and Wisconsin is a middling team under Alvarez. Alvarez made Wisconsin better, but he didn't make them great.

 

[vic.valiant]

This is the consummate Michigan Fan comment:

Wisconsin has won 3 conference titles in the last 5 seasons, and more titles in the last 20 years than Michigan.

And yet, "they've made huge strides."

LMAO at the Michigan Arrogance.

Nebraska is 8-4 vs. Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, and Ohio State since coming into the Big Ten. But they're only 1-3 vs. Wisconsin.

National Perception is laughable.

Actually, I thought I was quite respectful and complimentary to Wisconsin in my post.

As a follower of the Big10 for decades I can say with authority that the Wisconsin you know now was not always so.

When I said past couple of decades of course I am referring to past 22 years from 1993 Rose Bowl season under Barry Alvarez to present.


From 1993 to 2014 Wisconsin had an overall record of 195-83-4 for a .699 win%

In this time frame they were 112-64-3 in conference play for a .634 win% with 7 big10 championships and 20 bowl games.

Wisconsin has a winning record against every team in the Big10 save 3.


The previous 22 years tell a different story.

From 1971 to 1992 Wisconsin had an overall record of 99-142-5 for a .413 win%

In this time frame they were 65-115-4 in conference play for a .364 win% with no big10 championships and 3 bowl games.

Wisconsin had a losing record to every team in the Big10 except their rival Minnesota against whom they went .500.


The thrust of my argument was about national (and my) perception of the Big10 west.

The national perception of Wisconsin has clearly risen because Wisconsin has made huge strides in the past couple decades but probably due to lack of historical perspective you are not aware of it.

Now you have no excuse.

So what say you Cornicator, care to withdraw the comment and concede the point without penalty?


BTW, Please be careful to avoid tripping over your hubris and ignorance in your obvious haste to get to the always classic "LMAO at the Michigan Arrogance" line.

Because...I care.

Go Blue!

 

[hawkit3113]

There's some NU fans that like Wisconsin because Alvarez played football for NU. Subtract Ron Dayne and two year from Wisconsin's record, and Wisconsin is a middling team under Alvarez. Alvarez made Wisconsin better, but he didn't make them great.

This. Well said.

 

[hawkit3113]

I keep hearing a lot of hype about Minnesota. Have they really recruited that well? Because I fully expect Iowa to put a beating of a lifetime on them, again, for last season.

 

[swihawkeye]

Wisky, Minnie and Neb are the cream of the west and none can match the current buckeye talent. The west has no answer for OSU.

 

[St. Anger]

I keep hearing a lot of hype about Minnesota. Have they really recruited that well? Because I fully expect Iowa to put a beating of a lifetime on them, again, for last season.

I don't know if it's "hype" regarding Minnesota. They just seem to be a safe, process of elimination type of pick. They're doing better in terms of wins, Nebraska and Wisky are both breaking in new coaches, and the rest of the division isn't good. Again, kind of a "safe" pick as opposed to hype.

 

[hawkit3113]

I don't know if it's "hype" regarding Minnesota. They just seem to be a safe, process of elimination type of pick. They're doing better in terms of wins, Nebraska and Wisky are both breaking in new coaches, and the rest of the division isn't good. Again, kind of a "safe" pick as opposed to hype.

Its kinda nice to see Minnesota in the mix. They have been a joke for decades. And it makes the games against them more enjoyable as a season ticket holder. And they are going to walk into a hornets nest that Sat night in Nov at Kinnick. They are in big, big trouble.

 

[B1G RED RULES]

Wisky, Minnie and Neb are the cream of the west and none can match the current buckeye talent. The west has no answer for OSU.

Absolutely agree.

 

[k9_r]

Wisky, Minnie and Neb are the cream of the west and none can match the current buckeye talent. The west has no answer for OSU.

/thread

 

[FlintTown]

Actually, I thought I was quite respectful and complimentary to Wisconsin in my post.

As a follower of the Big10 for decades I can say with authority that the Wisconsin you know now was not always so.

When I said past couple of decades of course I am referring to past 22 years from 1993 Rose Bowl season under Barry Alvarez to present.


From 1993 to 2014 Wisconsin had an overall record of 195-83-4 for a .699 win%

In this time frame they were 112-64-3 in conference play for a .634 win% with 7 big10 championships and 20 bowl games.

Wisconsin has a winning record against every team in the Big10 save 3.


The previous 22 years tell a different story.

From 1971 to 1992 Wisconsin had an overall record of 99-142-5 for a .413 win%

In this time frame they were 65-115-4 in conference play for a .364 win% with no big10 championships and 3 bowl games.

Wisconsin had a losing record to every team in the Big10 except their rival Minnesota against whom they went .500.


The thrust of my argument was about national (and my) perception of the Big10 west.

The national perception of Wisconsin has clearly risen because Wisconsin has made huge strides in the past couple decades but probably due to lack of historical perspective you are not aware of it.

Now you have no excuse.

So what say you Cornicator, care to withdraw the comment and concede the point without penalty?


BTW, Please be careful to avoid tripping over your hubris and ignorance in your obvious haste to get to the always classic "LMAO at the Michigan Arrogance" line.

Because...I care.

Go Blue!

You were respectful to Wisconsin. They are nothing more than a steady program that makes opponents beat themselves. In the last 20 years, they've had ONE legit championship. They've backed into every other "championship" courtesy of divine intervention -- favorable scheduling, NCAA infractions, etc.

They're alright, but they're nothing more than any of the other West division schools.

 

[Soda Popinski]

Its kinda nice to see Minnesota in the mix. They have been a joke for decades. And it makes the games against them more enjoyable as a season ticket holder. And they are going to walk into a hornets nest that Sat night in Nov at Kinnick. They are in big, big trouble.

LOL see I would have said bear trap, not hornets nest. The difference is a gopher can't even set off a bear trap because they're not heavy enough. BUT, since it is a golden gopher, maybe a bear trap would work, as gold is quite heavy.

The point is, they aren't in any more trouble on that Saturday night in November than they would be playing at Northwestern.

 

[hawkit3113]

LOL see I would have said bear trap, not hornets nest. The difference is a gopher can't even set off a bear trap because they're not heavy enough. BUT, since it is a golden gopher, maybe a bear trap would work, as gold is quite heavy.

The point is, they aren't in any more trouble on that Saturday night in November than they would be playing at Northwestern.

WRONG.

 

[inorbit]

I keep hearing a lot of hype about Minnesota. Have they really recruited that well? Because I fully expect Iowa to put a beating of a lifetime on them, again, for last season.

Bwah hahahahaha !!!

 

[inorbit]

Its kinda nice to see Minnesota in the mix. They have been a joke for decades. And it makes the games against them more enjoyable as a season ticket holder. And they are going to walk into a hornets nest that Sat night in Nov at Kinnick. They are in big, big trouble.

You say that like the hogeyes haven't been a joke for decades.

 

[hawkit3113]

Look man, for your own sanity, you might want to put me on ignore. You got the last thread locked by freaking out. I get it, you hate Iowa. Now move on because you cant make that point any more clear.

 

[ThriceHawk]

OSU - East
MSU - East

Wisconsin - West
Nebraska - West

Iowa/Minnesota/Penn State - 2 West, 1 East

Michigan - East
Maryland - East
Northwestern - West
Rutgers - East
Illinois - West
Indiana - East
Purdue - West

My general opinion of how the league stands.. The West is not that far off, those top 8 teams (IMO) all have the potential to be in the top tier any given year.. The West just needs a team or two to leap frog MSU who is having a good run similar to previous runs from Iowa/Wisconsin/Penn State.