Is there precedent in college football for first year coaching dismissal?

[leodisflowers]

And before them it was Charlie Strong, Al Golden and twenty other guys that haven't done crap since their name was floated several years ago. We tried the hot unproven coordinator route. You need somebody that has run a progam preferably for at least 3-5 years to see what kind of recruiting structure they build. Otherwise you're just gambling. We have a guy right now that has already set in place great recruiting structure and lets just see how it plays out.

What hot coordinator did we hire? No was not a hot coordinator, there was history. NU has whiffed in its last 3 hired. The structure may be good, but the results aren't there. I think our class will be ok, but far from elite. I'm in for MR, just think he needs to cut the cord with Reed and Banker. I support NU and will continue to watch and go to games. We are in trouble though. Mike needs to show some progress both on the field and recruiting trail. Being in the convo is a good start, but commits and results are what NU needs and it needs them in a hurry.

This is purely opinion as well, but we need borderline criminals. We are lacking guys with an edge. Not everyone has to fit that mold but we need a few.

 

[Dean Pope]

He couldn't stay sober

That's what I was going to say. Drinking at the office is generally frowned upon.

 

[Dean Pope]

Anybody that watches Memphis or Houston play knows that their coaches are studs. Hire one of those two before it's too late.

Herman proved at his last three destinations that he knows how to get a team to execute at a high level. He would be a good hire from the perspective that you know you'd be fine on at least one side of the ball and he would know exactly how and who he would need to recruit in order to win.

 

[georgiacorn]

I love how so many here say our next hire has to be a splash. We've been saying that for years. What did we get? Clownahan, Blo Pelini, and Mike semi-retired Riley. Ain't no splashes coming here. Only third rate coaches it seems.

 

[jflores]

What hot coordinator did we hire? No was not a hot coordinator, there was history. NU has whiffed in its last 3 hired. The structure may be good, but the results aren't there. I think our class will be ok, but far from elite. I'm in for MR, just think he needs to cut the cord with Reed and Banker. I support NU and will continue to watch and go to games. We are in trouble though. Mike needs to show some progress both on the field and recruiting trail. Being in the convo is a good start, but commits and results are what NU needs and it needs them in a hurry.

This is purely opinion as well, but we need borderline criminals. We are lacking guys with an edge. Not everyone has to fit that mold but we need a few.

Bo Pelini was the hot coordinator. He's one of the few outside of Smart that had a NC ring. When you go back and look at the list of coaches that were hired by schools that year, Pelini may have been on paper the best of the bunch from a "name" standpoint.

 

[leodisflowers]

Bo Pelini was the hot coordinator. He's one of the few outside of Smart that had a NC ring. When you go back and look at the list of coaches that were hired by schools that year, Pelini may have been on paper the best of the bunch from a "name" standpoint.

Disagree, but neither here nor there

 

[jflores]

Disagree, but neither here nor there

So who was the cream of the coordinator hires? Alot of the other "name" hires were previously HC?

 

[Wasker77]

And before them it was Charlie Strong, Al Golden and twenty other guys that haven't done crap since their name was floated several years ago. We tried the hot unproven coordinator route. You need somebody that has run a progam preferably for at least 3-5 years to see what kind of recruiting structure they build. Otherwise you're just gambling. We have a guy right now that has already set in place great recruiting structure and lets just see how it plays out.

Dingle, one thing about you. You are consistent. You keeping raving about Mike Riley and what a great coach he is. No matter how many losses, botched clock management, 40 plus passing games and generally poor coaching decisions you are the man to back Riley. You stand on the mountain, pump your chest and shout to the rest of us in Husker Nation." Mike Riley is the Chosen One"

Well here is your savior's record. No guesses. No wishes. No fairy gold dust . Just the record. It may be painful but here it is.

Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP°
Oregon State Beavers (Pacific-10 Conference) (1997–1998)
1997 Oregon State 3–8 0–8 10th
1998 Oregon State 5–6 2–6 T–8th
Oregon State Beavers (Pacific-10/Pacific-12 Conference) (2003–2014)
2003 Oregon State 8–5 4–4 T–4th W Las Vegas
2004 Oregon State 7–5 5–3 T–3rd W Insight
2005 Oregon State 5–6 3–5 7th
2006 Oregon State 10–4 6–3 3rd W Sun 22 21
2007 Oregon State 9–4 6–3 3rd W Emerald 25
2008 Oregon State 9–4 7–2 T–2nd W Sun 19 18
2009 Oregon State 8–5 6–3 T–2nd L Las Vegas
2010 Oregon State 5–7 4–5 T–5th
2011 Oregon State 3–9 3–6 5th (North)
2012 Oregon State 9–4 6–3 3rd (North) L Alamo 19 20
2013 Oregon State 7–6 4–5 T–4th (North) W Hawaii
2014 Oregon State 5–7 2–7 T–5th (North)
Oregon State: 93–80 58–63
Nebraska Cornhuskers (Big Ten Conference) (2015–present)
2015 Nebraska 3–6 1–4 (West)
Nebraska: 3–6 1–4
Total: 96–86

I would say other than one year in this decade, 2012, when Oregon State went 9-4 , Mike has been a very marginal coach. He's old, he is tired and his system doesn't work.. The funny thing is Mike will be back at his home on the Oregon Coast, watching the storms come in, counting all his Nebraska money and you will still be yelling at the rest of us how great Mike is.

 

[leodisflowers]

So who was the cream of the coordinator hires? Alot of the other "name" hires were previously HC?

At that time Oklahomas O and D coordinator were better than Bo as well as Bud Foster and other teams in the championship hunt. Bo didn't have a bad resume, but he was Co-d coordinator the years before at OU. He did well at LSU for the most part, but he was hired because of his history with NU and because of the bowl game win against MSU in 2003. He was not the hottest name at that time. You are correct in saying most big name coaches have been head coaches and are not hot coordinators. Agree to disagree

 

[jflores]

At that time Oklahomas O and D coordinator were better than Bo as well as Bud Foster and other teams in the championship hunt. Bo didn't have a bad resume, but he was Co-d coordinator the years before at OU. He did well at LSU for the most part, but he was hired because of his history with NU and because of the bowl game win against MSU in 2003. He was not the hottest name at that time. You are correct in saying most big name coaches have been head coaches and are not hot coordinators. Agree to disagree

No that's cool.

 

[Wasker77]

Are there any hot shot coaches who have run successful programs in Division II or FCS that have spent time as assistants at a strong FBS school?

 

[jflores]

Are there any hot shot coaches who have run successful programs in Division II or FCS that have spent time as assistants at a strong FBS school?

We don't lack quality candidates. We lack timing and the right personalities. None of the current power structure is going to fire the coaches, and no one outside that power structure wants to stage a coup to nullify a major college contract in Game 9 against 100 years of coaching contract ethics.

Supposing we got it wrong once again, that's one egg on your face that *is* a program killer.