Interesting defensive stat from Ark St game

[Tuco Salamanca]

I the first 26:30 of the 2nd half, Ark St had 5 drives, 106 total yards, 2 punts, 1 FG, 1 INT and gave up a safety.

Made me rethink my stance a little on the 2nd half offense. Originally I said the offense played well enough to win, overall I still think they did, but offense punted 4 times in the 2nd half.

Interesting

 

[headcard]

I the first 26:30 of the 2nd half, Ark St had 5 drives, 106 total yards, 2 punts, 1 FG, 1 INT and gave up a safety.

Made me rethink my stance a little on the 2nd half offense. Originally I said the offense played well enough to win, overall I still think they did, but offense punted 4 times in the 2nd half.

Interesting

The offense could have put the game away. We were up two scores with the ball multiple times, where a long TD drive really ends it and didn't capitalize.

 

[Enrozes]

I the first 26:30 of the 2nd half, Ark St had 5 drives, 106 total yards, 2 punts, 1 FG, 1 INT and gave up a safety.

Made me rethink my stance a little on the 2nd half offense. Originally I said the offense played well enough to win, overall I still think they did, but offense punted 4 times in the 2nd half.

Interesting

Walking back to my car I was annoyed with the defense in the fourth quarter, but more upset that the offense didn't run away with the game while the defense was playing well in the 3rd.

 

[WHCSC]

Perfect place for Ozigbo. Run clock.

 

[SnohomishRed]

I the first 26:30 of the 2nd half, Ark St had 5 drives, 106 total yards, 2 punts, 1 FG, 1 INT and gave up a safety.

Made me rethink my stance a little on the 2nd half offense. Originally I said the offense played well enough to win, overall I still think they did, but offense punted 4 times in the 2nd half.

Interesting

Offense despite running for 6 yards a carry felt the need to throw and we did not convert on third down. Thank god the defense stopped them in the third quarter or they may have set an NCAA record for number of first downs. Both sides had real issues the defense moreso. Something tells me Riley will be very involved in the defensive game plan this week

 

[JohnRossEwing]

That is because Langs gets a raging hardon and starts getting fancy

 

[headcard]

That is because Langs gets a raging hardon and starts getting fancy

To be fair. I do that almost every Saturday too.

 

[SnohomishRed]

That is because Langs gets a raging hardon and starts getting fancy

I know they say they want to be balanced but Langdorf when he needs a play will always turn to the pass instead of the run. For the most part or least a majority he runs on first down, gain 5 yards or less and 90% or more we go to pass no matter the clock situation. If he is in third down and more than 2 then again most times he passes. At this point he is who he is but I wish they would drop the "we prefer to run" mantra when they clearly prefer to pass

 

[nordakotahusker]

I know they say they want to be balanced but Langdorf when he needs a play will always turn to the pass instead of the run. For the most part or least a majority he runs on first down, gain 5 yards or less and 90% or more we go to pass no matter the clock situation. If he is in third down and more than 2 then again most times he passes. At this point he is who he is but I wish they would drop the "we prefer to run" mantra when they clearly prefer to pass

They ran 38 times and passed 32 last Saturday. Fairly balanced and actually skewed toward running the ball.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

To be fair. I do that almost every Saturday too.

Ha...That is funny!

 

[JohnRossEwing]

They ran 38 times and passed 32 last Saturday. Fairly balanced and actually skewed toward running the ball.

I thought they ran the ball really well and I thought TB looked really good.

Sometimes though, some of us fans, would love a sort of "common sense" type of call. Up 14...4 minutes...driving. Just eat that clock up.

 

[SnohomishRed]

They ran 38 times and passed 32 last Saturday. Fairly balanced and actually skewed toward running the ball.

Balance is not about how many plays run/pass it's about where your prefer lies and every team has one ours is passing. I am ok with that but it leads to more three and outs especially in a game we just had where we could have just leaned on them and scored what we wanted and kept our defense off the field

 

[nordakotahusker]

Balance is not about how many plays run/pass it's about where your prefer lies and every team has one ours is passing. I am ok with that but it leads to more three and outs especially in a game we just had where we could have just leaned on them and scored what we wanted and kept our defense off the field

I guess we disagree about the definition of balance. Not wanting to argue about it. I share the frustration with not running more in the 4th quarter. I do remember in the first half they ran on a 3rd and 4, which did kind of surprise me. I've just seen so many people on the board (not necessarily you) who've been talking about how the offense is going to be so pass heavy. The numbers from game one don't bare that out. I guess we'll see as the season progresses.

 

[TarheelHuskerFan]

I'd say we were run heavy most of the game so the "Langsdorf only passes" argument is invalid for this game

 

[headcard]

I'd say we were run heavy most of the game so the "Langsdorf only passes" argument is invalid for this game

But I don't want to wait another week to yell "Run the Ball!!!"

 

[inWV]

In hindsight it sounds pretty simple and things can be criticized. In the second half, after our TD, the next possession was penalty a-go-go, ending in 4th and 22. The next was run run first down, run pass first down, run for 2 yds pass pass punt. The next possession was a TD. The possession following their FG was run pass pass first down, run pass pass punt. Our final possession after their safety was run run pass punt. The second to last possession was perhaps pass happy, as we were at 2nd and 5 and threw to Stan.
The pass game was producing, Langs had confidence in it and we were up 14 at the time. I don't recall any draw action, that may have been a nice call on 2nd and 5. Quick hitter to the FB even.

 

[jflores]

I know they say they want to be balanced but Langdorf when he needs a play will always turn to the pass instead of the run. For the most part or least a majority he runs on first down, gain 5 yards or less and 90% or more we go to pass no matter the clock situation. If he is in third down and more than 2 then again most times he passes. At this point he is who he is but I wish they would drop the "we prefer to run" mantra when they clearly prefer to pass

They are NFL style playcallers for sure. You don't really see a whole lot of opposition for most of their tendencies from the Analysts for sure because they follow the general mantras of "2nd down is a passing down, you want a good first down so you can take more risk on 2nd down and be left with a good situation on 3rd down if you need it".

One thing that kind of goes against him just airing out Tanner Lee, if its 3rd and abnormally long, he'll typically run draw, screen, or something of that nature. Instead of just going full YOLO he'll be content to play field position or take the first down if a play is made.

I was just looking at the drive charts again last night and on one of the late drives, we got 1 yard on first down on the ground, and 4 yards on 2nd down on the ground, and I think it was third and 5 and he passed. Third and 5 is normally a passing situation for him (that includes screens), but I can't help but think he didn't have the confidence to think we'd get 5 on a whim.

I think too much is made of "balanced" in terms of how we throw out stats. They seem to make a pretty conscious effort to have about a 55% run advantage in snap count. In general they want to be a threat running and passing so you can't over load either, is how I take their use of the term, not that it has any specific statistical meaning to them.

 

[jflores]

IMO balance is about a ratio between things. A balanced diet has so much of this..so much of that.

What Sno keeps throwing around as balance=preference, is probably closer IMO to "identity".

 

[headcard]

Is balance attempts or yards? Either way you look at it, pretty balanced in week one.

 

[jflores]

Is balance attempts or yards? Either way you look at it, pretty balanced in week one.

I find the comments about 3rd and medium or 3rd and long and the whole run/pass balance thing a little amusing. Some years ago when Frank was running the team into the ground, a common complaint was that absent the dominants players we had under TO, Frank had no real chance of coming back in a game if he got down, or converting third and mediums/long with any regularity under that run first offense.

In short, we were looking for Frank to find a way to implement DL's 3rd down game into Frank's old 1st and 2nd down game. I know, nostalgia, and time, and all that.

 

[Enrozes]

I quickly charted run/pass split by down and distance. There may be a mistake or two in here, and it doesn't account for plays called back by penalties:

1st down: 23 runs, 10 passes.
2nd: 10 runs (average ytg: 6.2), 12 passes (9.91 ytg)
3rd: 3 runs (10.67, this is skewed by the "give up" run at 3rd and 28 after tje hold and sack in Q1), 11 passes (7.54).

We definitely show a tendency to pass on 3rd down, even in relatively short yardage. We passed on 3rd and 1, 4 (twice), and 5 (three times) and only ran on 3rd and short twice (both to successfully pick up 2 yards). On the other hand, we were pretty effective passing in 3rd and 5 or less - we were 4/4 in that situation until the last two attempts, which resulted in the last two quick punts that have us all feeling surly this week.

 

[jflores]

I quickly charted run/pass split by down and distance. There may be a mistake or two in here, and it doesn't account for plays called back by penalties:

1st down: 23 runs, 10 passes.
2nd: 10 runs (average ytg: 6.2), 12 passes (9.91 ytg)
3rd: 3 runs (10.67, this is skewed by the "give up" run at 3rd and 28 after tje hold and sack in Q1), 11 passes (7.54).

We definitely show a tendency to pass on 3rd down, even in relatively short yardage. We passed on 3rd and 1, 4 (twice), and 5 (three times) and only ran on 3rd and short twice (both to successfully pick up 2 yards). On the other hand, we were pretty effective passing in 3rd and 5 or less - we were 4/4 in that situation until the last two attempts, which resulted in the last two quick punts that have us all feeling surly this week.

Yah considering most of our receivers are the smallish types...I'd expect a good dose of those short yardage routes.

 

[SnohomishRed]

IMO balance is about a ratio between things. A balanced diet has so much of this..so much of that.

What Sno keeps throwing around as balance=preference, is probably closer IMO to "identity".

Possibly but the issue is the game itself. It was quite clear. After the first quarter we could run effectively and our defense was having issues. In this situation if you are a run/pass team would not the run be more effective. If you are a pass first team you continue to pass and call if balanced. I take balanced to mean you can run and pass both effectively it does not mean you do both 50/50 it depends on the game against OSU I expect to be more pass heavy

 

[dinglefritz]

I the first 26:30 of the 2nd half, Ark St had 5 drives, 106 total yards, 2 punts, 1 FG, 1 INT and gave up a safety.

Made me rethink my stance a little on the 2nd half offense. Originally I said the offense played well enough to win, overall I still think they did, but offense punted 4 times in the 2nd half.

Interesting

I maybe be wrong but I think we had some costly penalties that put is some bad down and distance situations on a couple of occasions that led to a couple of those punts. I also think that when we got up DL got very conservative in his play calls and Lee got very conservative on his throws too. There was a time or two where I think he threw balls away that he might have tried to complete the pass in the first half.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I maybe be wrong but I think we had some costly penalties that put is some bad down and distance situations on a couple of occasions that led to a couple of those punts. I also think that when we got up DL got very conservative in his play calls and Lee got very conservative on his throws too. There was a time or two where I think he threw balls away that he might have tried to complete the pass in the first half.

Could be, but we punted as much or more than we didn't punt in the second half. That wasn't the case in the first half. We only punted once IIRC in first half.

 

[jflores]

 

[NebChicago]

The consistency of our drive killing penalties over 3 years drives me crazy. Especially from seasoned dudes like Gates. We are ranked#100 for "NCAA fewest penalty yards" with 75yards. Only other B10 team worse is NW. But Oregon has like 115 penalty yards. But they were probably lighting roman candles off their dongs everytime they walked in the endzone against S Utah. http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/698/p2

Granted the refs sucked but honestly, we're Nebraska fans -- our opinion will always be that the refs suck. (But seriously, MAC refs blow.)

 

[dinglefritz]

The consistency of our drive killing penalties over 3 years drives me crazy. Especially from seasoned dudes like Gates. We are ranked#100 for "NCAA fewest penalty yards" with 75yards. Only other B10 team worse is NW. But Oregon has like 115 penalty yards. But they were probably lighting roman candles off their dongs everytime they walked in the endzone against S Utah. http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/698/p2

Granted the refs sucked but honestly, we're Nebraska fans -- our opinion will always be that the refs suck. (But seriously, MAC refs blow.)

It seemed worse under Bo. Cotton was always good for at least 2 false starts and 2 holding penalties a game. Oh yeah he would get a PF every few games too....