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Isn't Coach K taking a month vacation for his bad back? Nice timing to avoid the press.
This is the third time he's done this and he served a final one game worth of suspension. This is Duke being Duke and Coach K being Coach K. The rules apply when I want them to apply because I am well you know who I am I am Coach K. I've been a head coach and an assistant coach for years and various ports and Grayson should have been just based on the on-court Antics suspended for a game after the first one double at the second one and there wouldn't have been a third and if there had been then it is completely and squarely on Coach K to have taken an actual amount of discipline for it. It's not about morality it's about simply making sure that this kid when he leaves Duke has some concept that the rules apply to him. It's seeming to be fairly clear that's not going to be the case.
It's amazing how people can defend TO for his method of handling things like this and criticize MK's. They both handle stuff internally rather than in the public eye. Unless MK has changed how he handles things for Allen, Allen is going through a lot of off the court stuff that no one will see as punishment AND in an attempt to get to the root of his problem.
On a pay Duke site that I go to, 2 posters that have some real credibility are agreeing with what one of the announcers brought up last night: until Coach K decided that he could not put off the back surgery any longer (or actually his doctors did) it was going to be a multiple game suspension. But Coach K didn't want Capel to have to deal with the flack of bringing Allen back and so decided to do so himself and deal with it rather than Capel having to do so. Whether this is correct, I can't say, but as I said these two guys have a track record that indicates they have some major contacts inside the program.
Oh and anyone who thinks that what happened in the VT game changed Coach K's mind doesn't know crap about basketball. Duke lost that game for 2 reasons. The main one was lack of ability to stop the VT guards from taking the ball to the hoop. Allen is a fine player, but on ball defense against quick guards is not his strong suit. Both Kennard, because of his length, and Jackson, because of his quicks, are better and they both played. Also, Coach K worked on his line-ups for what he wanted, rather than to stop VT. Anyone who has watched Duke basketball over the years knows that he does this early in the conference season. It can be frustrating, but he does it for the long run. He worked on getting minutes for the 3 freshmen and working them into the line-up, rather than putting Jeter in as a rim defender. Coach K could have gone to a 1-3-1 zone, with Jeter at the back end and Briles out front and at least forced VT to change their offensive plan, but that was not what Coach K was concerned with in that particular game.
On a pay Duke site that I go to, 2 posters that have some real credibility are agreeing with what one of the announcers brought up last night: until Coach K decided that he could not put off the back surgery any longer (or actually his doctors did) it was going to be a multiple game suspension. But Coach K didn't want Capel to have to deal with the flack of bringing Allen back and so decided to do so himself and deal with it rather than Capel having to do so. Whether this is correct, I can't say, but as I said these two guys have a track record that indicates they have some major contacts inside the program.
Oh and anyone who thinks that what happened in the VT game changed Coach K's mind doesn't know crap about basketball. Duke lost that game for 2 reasons. The main one was lack of ability to stop the VT guards from taking the ball to the hoop. Allen is a fine player, but on ball defense against quick guards is not his strong suit. Both Kennard, because of his length, and Jackson, because of his quicks, are better and they both played. Also, Coach K worked on his line-ups for what he wanted, rather than to stop VT. Anyone who has watched Duke basketball over the years knows that he does this early in the conference season. It can be frustrating, but he does it for the long run. He worked on getting minutes for the 3 freshmen and working them into the line-up, rather than putting Jeter in as a rim defender. Coach K could have gone to a 1-3-1 zone, with Jeter at the back end and Briles out front and at least forced VT to change their offensive plan, but that was not what Coach K was concerned with in that particular game.
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The best part is he claims everyone here defends TO no matter what. Dookskers are even worse than Jayskers. At least Dook has a football team.
Yeah, I forgot 4.6.3. You base your attitude toward TO on solely your misremembering what an article in a 1995 issue of SI said. Oh, and your reading comprehension is a crappy as always. I said people can defend TO, not everyone defends TO, no matter what. You must have been a delight to teach in 3rd grade. All 4 years.
I bet Randy Gregory wishes the NFL handled suspensions like Coach K
Yeah, it's just awful when people come on chat boards and correct people who don't have a clue about the facts, and suggest a possibility for why Allen was reinstated that comes from people who know far more about the Duke program than the combined knowledge of every single poster on this board. What a terrible thing that someone who actually knows something about the program would express an opinion that disagrees with the Duke ignorant.
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No need to get so defensive. Stick to cheering for multiple schools.
Good for you, snowflake.
I cheer for both my alma maters, dimwit. Got a problem with that, internet tough guy? I didn't think so since you proved before you're all mouth and nothing else.
Wonder if any of you noobs have any thing to say about him kicking an important cog off the team two years ago and riding out the year with only 8 scholarship players. I'm guessing there won't be a reply.
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Are you going to be ok? You are very, very upset. Keep spinning the dook marching orders. And if someone doesn't agree, just hurl insults and stomp your feet.
And I am the "internet tough guy" lol. It is nice knowing that having the same opinion as the majority of the sports world makes me that. Spin spin spin away, I am off to a HUSKER hoops game.
Whatever. I'm not mad about it. But the fact you posted a 3 paragraph reply shows that even you feel this move takes A LOT of explaining to try to make it seem justifiable.
No matter when they brought him back, they'd still be criticized for the timing. ESPN dedicated 90% of their front page for a solid day and a half towards him when it happened followed by talking about it on their shows all day. He will get rightfully be shamed for the rest of his time at Duke for his stupid actions and to me that's a bigger punishment than any suspension. Like I said Allen's an idiot and all the criticism he's received his own fault.
With that being said, I did find the lack of coverage of the Clemson player sexually assaulting the OSU player relative to Allen's trip interesting. While there's no disputing both are bad, it's weird how little it was covered. When the other Clemson player said they'd been doing it all year, I thought the story was going to blow up.
With that being said, I did find the lack of coverage of the Clemson player sexually assaulting the OSU player relative to Allen's trip interesting. While there's no disputing both are bad, it's weird how little it was covered. When the other Clemson player said they'd been doing it all year, I thought the story was going to blow up.
Remember that lecture about how Coach K "immediately apologized" to Dillon Brooks about the remarks he made after the Duke's loss to Oregon last year? Turns about nobody else on Earth remembers it happening that way - unless you consider vehemently denying the entire incident, getting confronted with video footage that proves you're lying, then finally apologizing, an immediate apology:
Oregonian article
Sporting News
Slate.com
USA Today
But always, always, always base your posts here on facts, even if you have to make them up.
I don't really care that Allen is playing again. Didn't figure it would be a long suspension, so at least he sat one game. I just think the sanctimonious gasbagging that was certain to happen in this thread is hilarious.
Oregonian article
Sporting News
Slate.com
USA Today
But always, always, always base your posts here on facts, even if you have to make them up.
I don't really care that Allen is playing again. Didn't figure it would be a long suspension, so at least he sat one game. I just think the sanctimonious gasbagging that was certain to happen in this thread is hilarious.
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Is that the player who had a smaller and smaller role on the team and hurt morale and chemistry on the team? Is that what Grayson is doing with his "accidential" trippings on three different occasions? Duke can play a shorter bench when needed because of the high end talent they bring in. Sorry tearing at team chemisty will get you the boot, but giving the other team will get you a one game sit once you boot three times.
Is that the player who had a smaller and smaller role on the team and hurt morale and chemistry on the team? Is that what Grayson is doing with his "accidential" trippings on three different occasions? Duke can play a shorter bench when needed because of the high end talent they bring in. Sorry tearing at team chemisty will get you the boot, but giving the other team will get you a one game sit once you boot three times.
No, I'm not angry. I just hoped I'd goad you into making more of your idiotic and uninformed comments about TO. They cracked me up as well as all the intelligent people I showed them to, back when. I hoped to get some laughs, but no luck. Apparently you have learned from the number of times you made a fool of yourself. Rats, but it's still funny.
You won't hear me defending Coach K about Dillion Brooks. K should've stayed in his own lane.
Gotta be honest, i'm not surprised but it doesn't bother me either, doesn't thrill me, but this is sports and how they work. If he had hurt the kid, different story.
Rasheed was their best perimeter defender so I'd hardly say he had a smaller role. He wasn't the main man but he played a lot the three years he was there.
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Well, none of those articles referred to the apology that he issued the less than 12 hours later and his call to Altman and to Dillon the next day. If that doesn't meet your definition of immediately, my apology. I meant that it didn't get dragged out over days like the Allen thing has. If your definition of immediately was that Coach K should have skipped his press conference and run straight to the Oregon locker room, then it wasn't immediately and I'm sorry I didn't meet your expectations. I knew it was the next day when I originally posted, but didn't say that because I didn't think people would get their panties in a wad over what constituted immediately. But other than your and my difference over the subjective term immediately it was a statement of fact and you probably should note that in the post you refer to I said I was disappointed in what he did. But it still seems that selective ignorance is the name of the game here.
http://abc11.com/sports/coach-k-apologizes-for-remarks-after-oregon-game/1264267/
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...ogizes-postgame-comments-oregon-dillon-brooks
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2016/03/26/duke-mike-krzyzewski-oregon-dillon-brooks-apology
He was really there only perimeter defender and the only kid who could penetrate to the rim. Coach K does give kids second chances, after they have gone through his off the court punishment. Some coaches may have kicked players like Sulieman or Williams off the team right off the bat, but that isn't K's style. You can make arguments either way, but he has been consistent since he stepped on campus.
Yes, he is out 4-6 weeks with back surgery. Jeff Capel the former Sooners head coach is in charge until Mike is back.
Yeah, that was way wrong. And an argument can be made that he only felt the necessity to apologize after it became a big deal, which would make it worse. But given that sort of thing is the name of the game in the ACC for most long tenured coaches, who never apologize, and that it was the first time that I'm aware of for K, then move on and hope it doesn't become a habit.
Since my second job is as a writer, I tend to write what I want to communicate and forget most people in America can't handle more than a few words "sound-byte".
Good gravy he tripped a couple of dudes. How is that any different than the tackle when a player is going in for a layup or dunk. We call that a hard foul.
Sure it's chicken shit and dirty but I don't think it is on the same level as beating women, sexual assault or any of the other crap that happens on college campuses, that garner a suspension of equal or less time.
If it wasn't Duke and Coach K, this story is long gone. But for some reason, be it jealousy, penis envy or whatever situations that involve Duke seem to have 10 times the shelf life.
Sure it's chicken shit and dirty but I don't think it is on the same level as beating women, sexual assault or any of the other crap that happens on college campuses, that garner a suspension of equal or less time.
If it wasn't Duke and Coach K, this story is long gone. But for some reason, be it jealousy, penis envy or whatever situations that involve Duke seem to have 10 times the shelf life.
Ha! It's like the time I commented on a poster's grammar and spelled it grammer. Taught me a lesson. I do edit and use spell check when I write professionally, but I was reviewing the second draft of a short story over lunch and still found some dumb mistakes.
Well that little jab was quick and to the point. Well done.... Since you're a writer, I'll leave you with a little "sound-byte" from Shakespeare, "thou doth protest too much".
Could be. But probably my biggest pet peeve is the narcissism-based attitude of too many Americans who believe that their (spelled it gooder this time) opinion, despite being entirely factually deficient, is entitled to be valued in the same way as the opinion of someone who actually knows what he/she is talking about. I too will close with a quote, this one from Isaac Asimov: “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' "
Edit: That wasn't meant as a jab. Study after study has shown that most Americans feel uncomfortable with reading anything that is more than a sentence or two at any one time. I tend to forget that and have diarrhea of the keyboard.
Maybe, told him, one game suspension, but if you step out of line, just one little thing again! Your history!
He was a chemistry killer for the team. Allen isn't right now. That is the difference. His minutes were the same as the first two years?? No. But he wasn't a team player for the Duke system.
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