I'm not blaming coaches on this..

[Dean Pope]

My point exactly. But but but...lemme guess our teenage WR coach didn't "coach" him well enough to make that catch. Am I right?

That's what meanfarmer will tell ya..

Holla

I don't like trashing players, but there are a couple guys who I hope leave the team early to prepare for the NFL draft. They will never get drafted mind you but it's time for the team to move on. No more portal guys unless they are stud competitors and not injury prone.

 

[Meanfarmer3160]

I've wasted enough time trying to explain. It's clear you are dug in. You can die in that hill if you like. HCMR lost that game last night not the players. Have a better day today than you did yesterday.


Holla

Someone is accountable, I would think its the 9 million dollar man.

 

[We_USE_To_Be_Good]

i mean, the 2nd to last drive....Dowdell and EJ ran for 30 yards and we got to their 42 yard line....the RBs were doing well, BIG 10 Physical team for 4thquarters right...what did we do? went to True Fresh man Barney for 3 yards....carter nelson true freshman -1 yard and true fresh QB throw incomplete....with the game on the line we went to 3 true freshmen while our runningbacks didn't get a chance to finish off a wore down iowa defense....

 

[Landomatic]

Yeah, I'm just not buying this whole, "the coaches don't teach these players to make mistakes" crap. Name me a coach that does. Ever. By that rational, you can never blame the coaching because all coaches 100% of the time try to tech the players the right things to do. It's their level of effectiveness that determines whether they're to blame or not. And Rhule hasn't been effective enough.

 

[comaxds]

I refuse. Just like they have been saying players gotta make the damn plays. IGC needs to catch the punt. Benhardt needs to make the block. Neyor needs to catch the ball. Snapper needs to make a good snap Bullock needs to tackle Johnson.

You wanna add Raiola and Shavers fine but If the guys who they are dependent on do their jobs Shavers or Raiola doesn't have to make those plays.

Nah this ain't coaches ...This is on a group of upperclassmen who I appreciate and love and am super happy that they will be gone.



Holla

Jimmies and Joes not X's & O's is still more relevant now with the transfer portal than ever before. Even a dip shits like Cigneti and Deion can win games at long time dumpster fires like Indiana and Colorado. All you guys who believe the coaches are the issue, take a look at our roster. Thank God Rhule has done a decent job or recruiting and we have some good young talent. Need to hit the portal hard.

 

[Meanfarmer3160]

Jimmies and Joes not X's & O's is still more relevant now with the transfer portal than ever before. Even a dip shits like Cigneti and Deion can win games at long time dumpster fires like Indiana and Colorado. All you guys who believe the coaches are the issue, take a look at our roster. Thank God Rhule has done a decent job or recruiting and we have some good young talent. Need to hit the portal hard.

Why didn't rhule hit the portal hard.........his number one job is winning nothing else.

 

[The_Man_Behind_The_Man]

Coach Rhule is not even a .500 coach......guess that explains losing to the waterboy

That may be true and we will see. If you don’t like Rhule…fine. But don’t tell me losing just started when Rhule got here. The Huskers have had that down for 10 years plus!

 

[Meanfarmer3160]

That may be true and we will see. If you don’t like Rhule…fine. But don’t tell me losing just started when Rhule got here. The Huskers have had that down for 10 years plus!

Nope we have pretty much sucked since Pelini was fired. Rhule is.not the answer either.

 

[The_Man_Behind_The_Man]

Jimmies and Joes not X's & O's is still more relevant now with the transfer portal than ever before. Even a dip shits like Cigneti and Deion can win games at long time dumpster fires like Indiana and Colorado. All you guys who believe the coaches are the issue, take a look at our roster. Thank God Rhule has done a decent job or recruiting and we have some good young talent. Need to hit the portal hard.

A guy that can run good passing routes and can catch when it matters is the difference between winning and losing.

Someone that won’t F*** a punt return. That matters.

A guy that can actually snap a ball right during a FG. That matters.

A bunch of Walk Ons isn’t going to cut it. We need difference makers that want to play ball. Not a bunch of pretenders!

 

[SLOHusker]

Road to 105 hopefully cleanses the program

We're going to see a LOT of parity in college football and the easy games will be few and far between. Depth and injuries is also going to be a major concern. Teams will have to rest starters much more than they currently do.

 

[Meanfarmer3160]

A guy that can run good passing routes and can catch when it matters is the difference between and losing.

Someone that won’t F*** a punt return. That matters.

A guy that can actually snap a ball right during a FG. That matters.

A bunch of Walk Ons isn’t going to cut it. We need difference makers that want to play ball. Not a bunch of pretenders!

That's on the HMFIC

 

[Meanfarmer3160]

We're going to see a LOT of parity in college football and the easy games will be few and far between. Depth and injuries is also going to be a major concern. Teams will have to rest starters much more than they currently do.

When do we get our parity

 

[Meanfarmer3160]

If Nayor catches that pass and actually runs with it, we wouldn't have been in that situation.

Why was neynor even praying

 

[kakdawg]

Either Lateef also comes in to challenge or we bring in a grad transfer or successful portal guy. Raiola needs some pressure to produce. He also needs to lose 15 lbs and work on his speed. He is OK but not a five star talent. Needs to come back vstly improved IMO.

Raiola definitely needs to improve a ton. He's not "ready made". I'd like to see him trim up a bit also. I'd also like to see his footwork improve. I also think he "aims" a bit with too many of his deep passes instead of just ripping them when a guy has a step or two on a defender. This causes more combative catches than needed imo.

He needs to improve for sure just like a lot of our guys do. I hope Lateef comes in and can push him as well. It's competition and it's definitely needed everywhere. He shouldn't be any different.


Holla

 

[king_kong_]

OP is cut from the same blowhard cloth as our LOSER head coach, so this is not surprising

 

[Meanfarmer3160]

Raiola definitely needs to improve a ton. He's not "ready made". I'd like to see him trim up a bit also. I'd also like to see his footwork improve. I also think he "aims" a bit with too many of his deep passes instead of just ripping them when a guy has a step or two on a defender. This causes more combative catches than needed imo.

He needs to improve for sure just like a lot of our guys do. I hope Lateef comes in and can push him as well. It's competition and it's definitely needed everywhere. He shouldn't be any different.


Holla

He is just not that good

 

[Joedaly]

A lot of it is execution. Every loss seems to be due to 3-4 plays that went wrong. Doesn’t matter how great your players are if they can’t execute. It’s always a lack of discipline or some mental mistake and that’s what good coaching is supposed to fix

 

[The_Man_Behind_The_Man]

That's on the HMFIC

Well that’s what we have had. We’re two recruiting cycles in. You do realize not all True Freshman are ready to start…right?? Our current OC has been here less than a month. You do realize that also?

You don’t like Rhule…I get it. I’m not 100% sold either but I’m going to watch next year and see how we do before I’m in or out on HCMR. I feel this season should have been how last year should have gone. So I think the progress is a year behind.

Not good. If we are trending upward next year, I’m in. If the same losing is happening in stupid fashion that New Nebraska has been doing the last 10 years, I’m out! I will be part of the apathy that is growing. The crazy ups and downs are getting to be too much really.

 

[Meanfarmer3160]

Well that’s what we have had. We’re two recruiting cycles in. You do realize not all True Freshman are ready to start…right?? Our current OC has been here less than a month. You do realize that also?

You don’t like Rhule…I get it. I’m not 100% sold either but I’m going to watch next year and see how we do before I’m in or out on HCMR. I feel this season should have been how last year should have gone. So I think the progress is a year behind.

Not good. If we are trending upward next year, I’m in. If the same losing is happening in stupid fashion that New Nebraska has been doing the last 10 years, I’m out! I will be part of the apathy that is growing. The crazy ups and downs are getting to be too much really.

It seems like only Nebraskas need more time or coaches need more years.

 

[The_Man_Behind_The_Man]

It seems like only Nebraskas need more time or coaches need more years.

No…if you follow college football at all, most College programs know what’s up after 3-4 years. Then they decide.

 

[RedMyMind]

I'm not saying it's that simple. Our coaches have to be better also. In fact I think half the staff that was hired probably shouldn't have. Especially in the offensive side. I'm not trying to give those guys a pass.

My point was more about last night than as a whole. I don't blame last night on the coaches. I don't think they had anything in particular that caused us to lose this game.

I gave 5 examples of players errors that clearly aren't coached that way that if players simply do their job on a couple of them we win that game. This my point of saying ...u can lead a horse to water



Holla

And many of these players are making 6 figures. They deserve as much criticism as any other professional

 

[dinglefritz]

I'm not saying it's that simple. Our coaches have to be better also. In fact I think half the staff that was hired probably shouldn't have. Especially in the offensive side. I'm not trying to give those guys a pass.

My point was more about last night than as a whole. I don't blame last night on the coaches. I don't think they had anything in particular that caused us to lose this game.

I gave 5 examples of players errors that clearly aren't coached that way that if players simply do their job on a couple of them we win that game. This my point of saying ...u can lead a horse to water



Holla

One guy makes one play and we win that game.

 

[Walleye79]

One guy makes one play and we win that game.

and again it didn’t happen. The Nebraska way

 

[dinglefritz]

He is just not that good

He’s a true freshman. He’ll get better but he left a lot on the table last night.

 

[GaRed]

Blah blah blah. It’s never the coaches fault, right? Yeah, we have some crap players, but our coaches clearly lost this game.

I didn't see Rhule out there playing. Everyone wants to blame somebody because were Nebraska. We lost because of a turnover and bad special team play. Iowa beats 95 percent of the teams they play when they do that. It was just another classic Nebraska lost and an Iowa win.

 

[BroskiRed]

I blame Foley for a lot of stuff this year as well. I also have to give him credit as the special teams has improved a lot from earlier in the year.

That said do you think IGC was "coached" to do what he did? Or do you think he would tell you he knew better and made a bone headed decision and should've gotten out of the way and waved everyone off??

I'm pretty sure we know the answer to that. Again the players at some point have to do what they are supposed to. Bad thing is IGC is back their BECAUSE of his decisions. He's not gonna house a 75 yard PR. I could see if that had been the frosh Barney back their making that decision. But a guy with his experience absolutely without a doubt knows better and I guarantee you he would tell you the same thing yet he didn't do it....even tho he had all year long.

That's on on coaching????


Nah...



Holla

Good discussion as usual Dawg
I get your point on the players, and the play yesterday fits the narrative I have on Foley, absolutely
But this is seemingly the third Head Coach in a row to downplay special teams
The hidden yardage, coverage, and skill positions
I’ve said in other threads that the “standard” Rhule claims to have is a double standard when it comes to offense. Rhule even has admitted that in pressers. What is the standard on special teams?? All that standard stuff is on the coaches
Just about every single metric on special teams has had issues this year, if I were to chart it over 2 years how many games would have a failing grade in special teams? I’d say that Foley shares at least half the blame as the players in my opinion in that third phase
You can’t convince me that the third phase is/has been good Monday through Friday with what’s been out on the field
Uncle Ed can go eat a burger in West Point or whatever but can’t develop a unit on a developmental staff
He’s overpaid and underperforming
FWIW he’s paid as a top 10 Special Teams Coach which is unfathomable IMO
His unit lost another game and he is trending in that regard despite different players contributing to that trend in different games

 

[GaRed]

He’s a true freshman. He’ll get better but he left a lot on the table last night.

Iowa doesn't give you much if at all. We had dudes wide open. We could have easily had three more wins because the kid missed them.

 

[Landomatic]

One guy makes one play and we win that game.

Yeah, and if your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle

 

[RedMyMind]

Iowa doesn't give you much if at all. We had dudes wide open. We could have easily had three more wins because the kid missed them.

And having seniors miss wide open catches and TDs really hurts

 

[GaRed]

And having seniors miss wide open catches and TDs really hurts

No matter who we play we rarely get everyone to do their job consistently. I knew when we missed the FG , we lost.

 

[Husker4real]

13 losses in 2 years.

10 of them by 1 score.

8 of those 10 ended with a Nebraska turnover on their final snap, ending a potential game winning or game-tying drive.

I'd list them all, but you remember.

 

[RedMyMind]

13 losses in 2 years.

10 of them by 1 score.

8 of those 10 ended with a Nebraska turnover on their final snap, ending a potential game winning or game-tying drive.

I'd list them all, but you remember.

 

[oldjar07]

I refuse. Just like they have been saying players gotta make the damn plays. IGC needs to catch the punt. Benhardt needs to make the block. Neyor needs to catch the ball. Snapper needs to make a good snap Bullock needs to tackle Johnson.

You wanna add Raiola and Shavers fine but If the guys who they are dependent on do their jobs Shavers or Raiola doesn't have to make those plays.

Nah this ain't coaches ...This is on a group of upperclassmen who I appreciate and love and am super happy that they will be gone.



Holla

The game came down to special teams again, and our special teams shit the bed again. That is 100% on coaching.

 

[oldjar07]

The reverse to Nelson was mind numbing…

I blame Rhule for that. Dana and the offense were doing just fine and were in a rhythm. Then Rhule's fat ass came bumbling over to get involved in the offense just a play or two before that and completely drained the momentum we had.

 

[SeaOfRed75]

I blame Rhule for that. Dana and the offense were doing just fine and were in a rhythm. Then Rhule's fat ass came bumbling over to get involved in the offense just a play or two before that and completely drained the momentum we had.

Holgerson doesn't strike as a guy that allows that. I call bullshit.

 

[oldjar07]

I blame Foley for a lot of stuff this year as well. I also have to give him credit as the special teams has improved a lot from earlier in the year.

That said do you think IGC was "coached" to do what he did? Or do you think he would tell you he knew better and made a bone headed decision and should've gotten out of the way and waved everyone off??

I'm pretty sure we know the answer to that. Again the players at some point have to do what they are supposed to. Bad thing is IGC is back their BECAUSE of his decisions. He's not gonna house a 75 yard PR. I could see if that had been the frosh Barney back their making that decision. But a guy with his experience absolutely without a doubt knows better and I guarantee you he would tell you the same thing yet he didn't do it....even tho he had all year long.

That's on on coaching????


Nah...



Holla

The special teams hasn't improved at all. It was a complete shitshow yesterday just as it has been all year. Yes that's on coaching.

 

[dinglefritz]

The game came down to special teams again, and our special teams shit the bed again. That is 100% on coaching.

Mmmm. It came down to Dylan holding the ball in one hand and getting stripped.

 

[oldjar07]

Holgerson doesn't strike as a guy that allows that. I call bullshit.

They showed it clearly on the broadcast. Rhule came huffing and puffing about 25 yards down the sideline to tell something to DH. That was just a play or two before the Nelson reverse. And then like clockwork, our offense turns to complete shit.

 

[SeaOfRed75]

They showed it clearly on the broadcast. Rhule came huffing and puffing about 25 yards down the sideline to tell something to DH. That was just a play or two before the Nelson reverse. And then like clockwork, our offense turns to complete shit.

Obviously he told him to run those plays. I stand corrected.

 

[GaRed]

13 losses in 2 years.

10 of them by 1 score.

8 of those 10 ended with a Nebraska turnover on their final snap, ending a potential game winning or game-tying drive.

I'd list them all, but you remember.

That shows facts. I didn't pile on coach because players have to make plays. Iowa's best payer made a play. Their kicker made his kicks.