Ignoring the reality of the situation is helping no one

[SnohomishRed]

Some of you guys just need to stop with the "Reaches" justifying why the Riley era is off to such a poor start

Ignoring the issues with coaching will just lead to no changes and more misery - I am not saying fire anyone but these guys need to know the job they have done so far is not acceptable

 

[timnsun]

Some of you guys just need to stop with the "Reaches" justifying why the Riley era is off to such a poor start

Ignoring the issues with coaching will just lead to no changes and more misery - I am not saying fire anyone but these guys need to know the job they have done so far is not acceptable

I agree that they need to know their performance is unacceptable. But I think they know that even without this message board telling them...

And even if they didn't, how will this message board coming together and saying they have underperformed change things?

 

[elomb3376]

I don't think there is any doubt that MR realizes they(coaches) have to do better. Listen to his press conferences this week, he says it himself. I don't think there is any doubt that MR gets it in terms of what he needs to do, fan expectations, culture change, recruiting, etc.. I feel he has handled the heat very well and in a most professional manner, and does not appear in any way rattled. In fact, stating his confidence that he will get it turned around.

Whether or not that leads to success on the field remains to be seen and I understand the doubt that people have based on present results. However, we all have to wait and see and hope for the best. I know I am pulling for him to right the ship. Would be great if that started this Saturday.

 

[SnohomishRed]

My fear is the SE - Harvey and Riley are all sitting there the same way a large part of this board is - Making excuses and telling themselves " All is Well" just keep plugging and it will turn out fine

I am not of that belief - I think the only way Riley works out here is if he critically looks at everything and honestly evaluates the changes needed and makes those changes.

 

[timnsun]

My fear is the SE - Harvey and Riley are all sitting there the same way a large part of this board is - Making excuses and telling themselves " All is Well" just keep plugging and it will turn out fine

I am not of that belief - I think the only way Riley works out here is if he critically looks at everything and honestly evaluates the changes needed and makes those changes.

I don't get that feeling at all... I'm not gonna mention Harvey since he will be gone in less than a year. No way SE is saying everything is fine... That's why he has spoken to the media twice now. And Riley is smart enough to know this is not going to last. I have no doubt he is looking at things to improve the team for the coming years. The question you've danced around but not asked is will he make staff changes? That remains to be seen. Many believe that is the only way we get better, which absolutely may be right. But I don't think ostriches are leading the program with their head in the ground.

 

[jflores]

My fear is the SE - Harvey and Riley are all sitting there the same way a large part of this board is - Making excuses and telling themselves " All is Well" just keep plugging and it will turn out fine

I am not of that belief - I think the only way Riley works out here is if he critically looks at everything and honestly evaluates the changes needed and makes those changes.

Nothing really to be afraid of. The keep plugging approach only works if we end up seeing results. If we don't he will be gone. Next man up

 

[timnsun]

My fear is the SE - Harvey and Riley are all sitting there the same way a large part of this board is - Making excuses and telling themselves " All is Well" just keep plugging and it will turn out fine

I am not of that belief - I think the only way Riley works out here is if he critically looks at everything and honestly evaluates the changes needed and makes those changes.

Besides, your assuming there are no problems to begin with other than coaching... Don't agree with that premise one bit either.

 

[ExxHusker]

I'm sick and tired of Mike Riley and his charm. TO didn't try to charm. He avoided it. He was too busy busting his butt to win the next game. Spare us the handling the situation well. Every game counts. Just win baby.

 

[Archie Graham]

When can we get a down vote function on this board? The sooner the better.

 

[nebcountry]

My fear is the SE - Harvey and Riley are all sitting there the same way a large part of this board is - Making excuses and telling themselves " All is Well" just keep plugging and it will turn out fine

I am not of that belief - I think the only way Riley works out here is if he critically looks at everything and honestly evaluates the changes needed and makes those changes.

Pearlman is giving Eichorst an extension = Vote of confidence for Eichorst
Eichorst gives Riley an extension(?) = Vote of confidence for Riley
Fans continue to fork up money = Vote of confidence for the way the program is being handled

 

[timnsun]

I'm sick and tired of Mike Riley and his charm. TO didn't try to charm. He avoided it. He was too busy busting his butt to win the next game. Spare us the handling the situation well. Every game counts. Just win baby.

What a ridiculous post! Since you don't like his charm he should just quit using it, huh? Because he uses charm he isn't busting his butt like TO, huh?

So glad you pointed out that charm = crappy coaching!

 

[ExxHusker]

Why is him being so charming something constantly being pointed out as such a major plus. As long a he isn't causing damage to the brand - charm isn't worth many wins.

 

[timnsun]

When can we get a down vote function on this board? The sooner the better.

Best I can do is like your post... Agree, would be great if the down vote were there as well.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Besides, your assuming there are no problems to begin with other than coaching... Don't agree with that premise one bit either.

Nope I agree there are other problems - But think about this:

Riley's first or foremost responsibility is to the players and program secondly it is to the coaches. Yet he choose Banker - Read over OSU what makes anyone think he will put NU first here

 

[elomb3376]

Spare us the handling the situation well.

I assume this is directed at my post. If not I apologize in advance. My statement has nothing to do with how charming or nice he is, but being professional in his handling of the situation while recognizing that he has to do better. Sorry, I guess I just find it refreshing after the last coach. I also added this may not lead to more wins, so we will have to wait and see and like stated by someone else in this thread, if he doesn't then it will be next man up.

 

[timnsun]

Why is him being so charming something constantly being pointed out as such a major plus. As long a he isn't causing damage to the brand - charm isn't worth many wins.

He's the antithesis (that means opposite) of the guy who was before him, whose abrasiveness helped in getting him fired.

Are you seriously saying his charm is a problem?

 

[SnohomishRed]

Best I can do is like your post... Agree, would be great if the down vote were there as well.

Maybe you guys should just try not responding

 

[SnohomishRed]

Pearlman is giving Eichorst an extension = Vote of confidence for Eichorst
Eichorst gives Riley an extension(?) = Vote of confidence for Riley
Fans continue to fork up money = Vote of confidence for the way the program is being handled

There is this

 

[ExxHusker]

Charm is a problem if it sucks people into accepting the continued degradation of the program. Which is why constantly taking about it isn't good. Detracts.

 

[jflores]

My fear is the SE - Harvey and Riley are all sitting there the same way a large part of this board is - Making excuses and telling themselves " All is Well" just keep plugging and it will turn out fine

I am not of that belief - I think the only way Riley works out here is if he critically looks at everything and honestly evaluates the changes needed and makes those changes.

Your real fear should be that the next chancellor is more keen to buy excuses than you think. Problems we labeled as excuses with Pelini were often seen by Osborne as legitimate problems that requires a certain amount of patience to fix. Not fireball offenses.

The next chancellor also has a coaching background and may be amenable to mike making steady progress

 

[timnsun]

My fear is the SE - Harvey and Riley are all sitting there the same way a large part of this board is - Making excuses and telling themselves " All is Well" just keep plugging and it will turn out fine

I am not of that belief - I think the only way Riley works out here is if he critically looks at everything and honestly evaluates the changes needed and makes those changes.

Nope I agree there are other problems - But think about this:

Riley's first or foremost responsibility is to the players and program secondly it is to the coaches. Yet he choose Banker - Read over OSU what makes anyone think he will put NU first here

To me, your first statement suggests they are sitting around saying all is well - you even say as much. That's what I take issue with. They are not saying all is well, no matter how much you believe that. They recognize other problems.

The coaches you mentioned are an issue it would seem, and Riley disagrees... But I don't think he is doing this to help out a friend or two. I think he truly believes they will turn it around with better talent. He is trying to do what's best for Nebraska, in his mind. The problem is, he may not be accurate in his beliefs about these guys.

 

[SnohomishRed]

clock management issues do not require patience to fix - Play calling issues do not require patience to fix

I think the issues people bring up about talent - toxic locker room etc... do have an effect - but to what degree? we are facing most likely a 3 or 4 win season here - If some of these coaching issues are not fixed and fixed fast what is the ceiling win wise for this staff ? 6-7? even if everything else gets fixed

 

[Husker.Wed.]

It is like when you find a men's, monogrammed handkerchief in your wife's coat pocket or a hypodermic needle in your kid's book bag. It is better to ignore it, avoid an ugly confrontation, and just enjoy life.

 

[SnohomishRed]

To me, your first statement suggests they are sitting around saying all is well - you even say as much. That's what I take issue with. They are not saying all is well, no matter how much you believe that. They recognize other problems.

The coaches you mentioned are an issue it would seem, and Riley disagrees... But I don't think he is doing this to help out a friend or two. I think he truly believes they will turn it around with better talent. He is trying to do what's best for Nebraska, in his mind. The problem is, he may not be accurate in his beliefs about these guys.

Riley left OSU a school most thought he would retire at in large part to protect these same assistants because OSU had grown tired of them and their performance

 

[timnsun]

Charm is a problem if it sucks people into accepting the continued degradation of the program. Which is why constantly taking about it isn't good. Detracts.

Does it sound like this is happening? Have you not seen what MANY have been saying on this board? Have you not read the articles questioning the hire in light of recent events, the accusations that he won't turn it around?

I don't think he has bamboozled as many people as you think with his charm... It is not a bad trait to have, but it won't keep him from getting fired if things don't change. And I don't believe his charm has degraded the program either.

Lots of things have contributed to the degradation of the program, which has been talked about too much here already... Some of it is his own and some of it isn't. Coaching decisions, player buy in are a few.

His charm is not the reason for the degradation. That just tells me you don't like his charm, period. It has nothing to do with his coaching, his charm just rubs you the wrong way. Just admit it.

 

[red rover 70]

If Riley is able to get it done there's gonna be some very upset people.

 

[timnsun]

Riley left OSU a school most thought he would retire at in large part to protect these same assistants because OSU had grown tired of them and their performance

I don't disagree... He is loyal to these guys. But I gotta believe that he thinks with an upgrade in talent, tradition, facilities, etc., these guys can show them what they're capable of. You may not agree with me, which is fine. But I don't think this was all about a couple of friends. Why move away from a place you absolutely love (Pacific Northwest) unless you are trying to grab that brass ring? I take him at his word, and the hard work he has put in on the recruiting trail seems to suggest he wants to turn this thing around, even if it is with his friends.

 

[SnohomishRed]

If Riley is able to get it done there's gonna be some very upset people.

Nope not me I would love for him to succeed and have stated that many times - I just do not think he will unless some major changes are made. I wonder if this continues to tank if you will then switch and start blasting him

 

[timnsun]

Nope not me I would love for him to succeed and have stated that many times - I just do not think he will unless some major changes are made. I wonder if this continues to tank if you will then switch and start blasting him

If it continues to tank and it becomes clear that talent and system and buy in aren't the issues we thought they were then why wouldn't we change our opinion?

 

[Archie Graham]

Maybe you guys should just try not responding

If we had a down vote function you'd see how ridiculous everyone thinks your constant new thread/same topic posting is. I'd prefer that.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Why is him being so charming something constantly being pointed out as such a major plus. As long a he isn't causing damage to the brand - charm isn't worth many wins.

It isn't. Only idiot bloners are stuck on the "but he's so nice" schtick. Being a man of good character is not a bad thing. No matter how much the tradition coalition wants to think blo was a hero. I wish for Osbornes sake he would have never came back. By refusing to admit he may have been wrong, after tons of examples that Bo was simply not a HEAD coach (he is a good coach, just not head man) it tore the fan base apart because of his arrogance, and the sheep that think he was even close to a good administrator.

 

[Wasker77]

I don't get that feeling at all... I'm not gonna mention Harvey since he will be gone in less than a year. No way SE is saying everything is fine... That's why he has spoken to the media twice now. And Riley is smart enough to know this is not going to last. I have no doubt he is looking at things to improve the team for the coming years. The question you've danced around but not asked is will he make staff changes? That remains to be seen. Many believe that is the only way we get better, which absolutely may be right. But I don't think ostriches are leading the program with their head in the ground.

Riley left his hometown for Lincoln rather than make staff changes. What makes you think he will be so acceptable to cut anyone loose. The core of his staff are his friends. Can't he make the same excuse about them that that some state about Mike? They just need time

 

[Wasker77]

When can we get a down vote function on this board? The sooner the better.

Be careful what you wish for

 

[SilentCommit]

Some of you guys just need to stop with the "Reaches" justifying why the Riley era is off to such a poor start

Ignoring the issues with coaching will just lead to no changes and more misery - I am not saying fire anyone but these guys need to know the job they have done so far is not acceptable

We're not ignoring the reality. We're just ignoring your reality. There is a difference.

 

[Wasker77]

I don't disagree... He is loyal to these guys. But I gotta believe that he thinks with an upgrade in talent, tradition, facilities, etc., these guys can show them what they're capable of. You may not agree with me, which is fine. But I don't think this was all about a couple of friends. Why move away from a place you absolutely love (Pacific Northwest) unless you are trying to grab that brass ring? I take him at his word, and the hard work he has put in on the recruiting trail seems to suggest he wants to turn this thing around, even if it is with his friends.

This is where we disagree. He was being forced out of Corvallis and he got at least 1 million dollars more than he was getting at Oregon State. This is why he left the Pacific Northwest. It is expensive up here. Per Realtor.com average price of home in Lincoln $154925 average price of a home in Corvallis $317450. He needs more money for his retirement

 

[nebcountry]

If Riley is able to get it done there's gonna be some very upset people.

That reads like an "us against the world" statement, which is odd since you spend so much time preaching against that type of mentality. Can't speak for others, but I will be very happy if Riley "get's it done".

I don't disagree... He is loyal to these guys. But I gotta believe that he thinks with an upgrade in talent, tradition, facilities, etc., these guys can show them what they're capable of. You may not agree with me, which is fine. But I don't think this was all about a couple of friends. Why move away from a place you absolutely love (Pacific Northwest) unless you are trying to grab that brass ring? I take him at his word, and the hard work he has put in on the recruiting trail seems to suggest he wants to turn this thing around, even if it is with his friends.

I think it was about taking a chance to do something at a storied program. Along with throwing a life preserver to his buddies, and big juicy pay raises for himself and his buddies. This is a $10+ million deal for Riley coming to NU.

 

[leodisflowers]

If Riley is able to get it done there's gonna be some very upset people.

That is where you are wrong. I think if Nebraska starts to get back to being a powerhouse people will gravitate to Riley, and will probably say they were wrong. I'm not huge on Riley right now, but if he gets the machine rolling, I will give him full credit. I'm not off the deep end, just irritated that the Big Red Machine is a mess right now.

 

[Archie Graham]

Be careful what you wish for

Haha. I'm not worried in the least. In fact, I'd welcome the opportunity to other to collapse my posts if they felt they deserved to be. I suspect, however, that it wouldn't be a problem most of the time.

 

[Wasker77]

If Riley is able to get it done there's gonna be some very upset people.

I don' think that is true either. I am in a much happier mood when Nebraska wins. My dogs stay in the room with me when watching the Huskers on TV when we are winning. Not so much when we are losing.

 

[Marine8365]

So really the question has to be and not so much for people on the boards, but for the leadership......When do you say enough is enough.....I know the BOR are not a fan of SE and even HP but will new the Chancellor be in the same mold.......

My question is the Chancellor at other Universities and Colleges or does the President have the last call along with the AD.