I wonder

[Pennsyhusker]

I wonder how many people at OU are constantly screaming "bring back the wishbone! Bring back Switzer's offense! We won't win another title until we do!"???

Of course there are probably almost zero who say that. Why? Well, because OU has been very successful running Stoops's offense.

My point? Langsdorf's offensive style is just fine. He has a sophisticated knowledge of offenses and defenses. It can lead us to championships. But like any offense it needs the proper athletes.

So can we stop the nostalgia wagon for Osborne's offense? Not even Scott Frost runs Osborne's offense. A version of it perhaps. But not the same

 

[dinglefritz]

I wonder how many people at OU are constantly screaming "bring back the wishbone! Bring back Switzer's offense! We won't win another title until we do!"???

Of course there are probably almost zero who say that. Why? Well, because OU has been very successful running Stoops's offense.

My point? Langsdorf's offensive style is just fine. He has a sophisticated knowledge of offenses and defenses. It can lead us to championships. But like any offense it needs the proper athletes.

So can we stop the nostalgia wagon for Osborne's offense? Not even Scott Frost runs Osborne's offense. A version of it perhaps. But not the same

I think Frost's offense from what I've seen is almost pure Chip.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

I think Frost's offense from what I've seen is almost pure Chip.

Exactly. And it too is an offense that can work, obviously, with high caliber athletes.
But there is no reason why, given the right athletes, that Langsdorf's pro style offense cannot work.
Can we recruit pro style offense players to Lincoln? Why not? Of course we can.
Success breeds success. If either Lee or POB can do what people are saying they can do, and our retooled offensive line can improve, we will be successful. And so next year is a pivotal year.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

And so I am excited for next year. GBRhuskers has said in a different thread that this year's seniors were still a toxin and really gave the team bad chemistry. Well they are gone now.

I wonder how many people understand how much bad chemistry can literally destroy a football team from within. Especially a team that lacks elite talent and needs the whole to be greater than the sum of its parts. A team like Nebraska this year could not afford to have 6 or 7 pivotal seniors poisoning that whole

 

[Bugeater]

And so next year is a pivotal year.[/QUOTE]

You mean "this" year, don't you?

 

[B1G RED RULES]

And so I am excited for next year. GBRhuskers has said in a different thread that this year's seniors were still a toxin and really gave the team bad chemistry. Well they are gone now.

I wonder how many people understand how much bad chemistry can literally destroy a football team from within. Especially a team that lacks elite talent and needs the whole to be greater than the sum of its parts. A team like Nebraska this year could not afford to have 6 or 7 pivotal seniors poisoning that whole

Up until the OSU game, there was talk that all the poison was gone. Did it just reappear?

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Up until the OSU game, there was talk that all the poison was gone. Did it just reappear?

Of course! That is the great thing about the poison...it can just reappear when posters need it.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

Of course! That is the great thing about the poison...it can just reappear when posters need it.

Agreed that it can be used as a convenient excuse. I have no knowledge of whether or not these reports are true.
But it certainly is within the bounds of possibility. Such things do happen. And Bo Pelini was a very poisonous coach. Vindictive

 

[JohnRossEwing]

I am trying to think of the first sign on the poison this year...was it when TA didn't keep the ball on the zone read play in OT at Wisconsin?

 

[StrongArm517]

Of course! That is the great thing about the poison...it can just reappear when posters need it.

This made me laugh yet I think it's kinda true. It can reappear in fans and players when things aren't going well.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

I am trying to think of the first sign on the poison this year...was it when TA didn't keep the ball on the zone read play in OT at Wisconsin?

Ok. I get your point and it is a good one. Just reporting what has been said and commented on it.
But don't fixate on that point. It is tangential and, as you point out, may not be true.
The main point of my thread is that I think we have good offensive coaches and a good offensive scheme. Furthermore, I think next year we will have players better suited to that scheme. And so I am optimistic. My point is that there is no need to panic, burn down the house, and bring in a coach who will run Osborne's offense, predicated on the mistaken idea that we cannot be successful unless we do that.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Ok. I get your point and it is a good one. Just reporting what has been said and commented on it.
But don't fixate on that point. It is tangential and, as you point out, may not be true.
The main point of my thread is that I think we have good offensive coaches and a good offensive scheme. Furthermore, I think next year we will have players better suited to that scheme. And so I am optimistic. My point is that there is no need to panic, burn down the house, and bring in a coach who will run Osborne's offense, predicated on the mistaken idea that we cannot be successful unless we do that.

I guess I hope it is true. If the poison is real that means it is pretty much all gone now, so, that would mean good things.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

I guess I hope it is true. If the poison is real that means it is pretty much all gone now, so, that would mean good things.

Ha. I guess I am hoping too that it is true. Probably why I repeated the rumor and commented on it.
But the bottom line is that next year this coaching staff can no longer lean on the argument that they are hampered by Bo's poison. Not that they were per se, but others made that claim for them.
I remain optimistic. I really do. I only have two major concerns for next year. One is that I still think we will be thin and questionable on the defensive line. The second is who will step up at wide receiver next year?

 

[cubsker]

Up until the OSU game, there was talk that all the poison was gone. Did it just reappear?

narratives are fun

 

[otismotis08]

narratives are fun

It was building up inside and suddenly dumped.

 

[jawbreakingsafetyplay]

Some need to keep in mind the old adage that winning cures all in sports. The team was 7-0 and there is a human nature side where guys tend to let things slide a bit more, both coaches and players at all levels do this. We lose a game in the way we lost at Wisconsin and internally things take a hit. That certainly happened. There were some cliquey-factions on the team that consist of entitled upperclassmen. Lets hope they are all gone through graduation or processing.

 

[nebcountry]

Back to the OP, I've really only ever known what I'd call casual OU fans. They're not the ones that live and breath OU sports. Plus Stoops has been at OU a pretty long time and has experienced success.

The people that want to bring back the option see a time of great success built on a premise that you don't need elite talent to do extremely well. I've always thought you still need elite talent in whatever scheme you choose. It does seem to me that on the surface more teams are recruiting capable running qb's. So, even if NU would say "hey look, we have an offense tailored to running qb's", the recruit would say "okay, I'll add your name to the already long list of offers I have".

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

I wonder how many people at OU are constantly screaming "bring back the wishbone! Bring back Switzer's offense! We won't win another title until we do!"???

Of course there are probably almost zero who say that. Why? Well, because OU has been very successful running Stoops's offense.

My point? Langsdorf's offensive style is just fine. He has a sophisticated knowledge of offenses and defenses. It can lead us to championships. But like any offense it needs the proper athletes.

So can we stop the nostalgia wagon for Osborne's offense? Not even Scott Frost runs Osborne's offense. A version of it perhaps. But not the same

Nope. As soon as we bring back Frost he brings Osborne's offense with him. That's a guarantee. We will have a staff full of former players that will never lose a game again.

 

[mountainmann]

Up until the OSU game, there was talk that all the poison was gone. Did it just reappear?

This team is full of Pelini recruited players. His recruiting was so poor. There are good athletes and players but this roster is 3 to 4 years away from competing as a top level program.

Pelini gave Neb 8 years of T Mart and TA. Think about that.

How can people expect a new coach/staff to correct a horrible roster in the first or second year.

TA was terrible. His backup? A walk on QB with a broken wrist.

Players in the system are here 4 to 5 years. It is a pipe dream to think that the last 9 years of so so recruiting is going to fix itself in the 2nd year of a coaching change.

Look at the starters at QB for the last 80 or so games.

Taylor Martinez
Tommy Armstrong
Ryker Fyfe

None of them should start for a top 50 D 1 program.

Thanks Bo.


SMFH

 

[Pennsyhusker]

Nope. As soon as we bring back Frost he brings Osborne's offense with him. That's a guarantee. We will have a staff full of former players that will never lose a game again.

Love the sarcasm and wit you have been bringing to the board lately. Keep it up! Makes me smile

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Love the sarcasm and wit you have been bringing to the board lately. Keep it up! Makes me smile

Sarcasm?

 

[nordakotahusker]

Exactly. And it too is an offense that can work, obviously, with high caliber athletes.
But there is no reason why, given the right athletes, that Langsdorf's pro style offense cannot work.
Can we recruit pro style offense players to Lincoln? Why not? Of course we can.
Success breeds success. If either Lee or POB can do what people are saying they can do, and our retooled offensive line can improve, we will be successful. And so next year is a pivotal year.

I find it ironic that those screaming loudest for a return to TO's offense seem to ignore the fact that the current staff has had its's greatest recruiting success at QB and wideout.

 

[GretnaShawn]

Of course! That is the great thing about the poison...it can just reappear when posters need it.

I know a player who was in last years team. The poison was still in this senior class. Gerry was #1 culprit.

 

[nordakotahusker]

I know a player who was in last years team. The poison was still in this senior class. Gerry was #1 culprit.

I have no inside info at all but if that's the case I'm glad he's gone.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

I have no inside info at all but if that's the case I'm glad he's gone.

I know the argument that this team was poisoned by Bo has gotten stale and old. It can be a crutch to lean on to help us feel better about our current struggles.
But damn it, in all my years of following college football I don't think I have ever seen a bigger douche bag in the coaching ranks than Mr. Mark Pelini. He really is a vindictive and poisonous asshole.
So if there are rumors that Gerry and a few other seniors on this year's team were continuing to torpedo Riley and his staff behind the scenes, then they have a prima facie plausibility. That is why the rumors have legs

 

[barney44]

I find it ironic that those screaming loudest for a return to TO's offense seem to ignore the fact that the current staff has had its's greatest recruiting success at QB and wideout.

We'll see how they do for linemen that everyone else needs as well. These skill players will only get you so far with out the blockers needed to protect them. I want to see some damn offensive lines built here, without it our QB and WR's will be much of the same.

 

[barney44]

I know the argument that this team was poisoned by Bo has gotten stale and old. It can be a crutch to lean on to help us feel better about our current struggles.
But damn it, in all my years of following college football I don't think I have ever seen a bigger douche bag in the coaching ranks than Mr. Mark Pelini. He really is a vindictive and poisonous asshole.
So if there are rumors that Gerry and a few other seniors on this year's team were continuing to torpedo Riley and his staff behind the scenes, then they have a prima facie plausibility. That is why the rumors have legs

He really was a jerk. I couldn't stand to watch his press conferences.

 

[nordakotahusker]

We'll see how they do for linemen that everyone else needs as well. These skill players will only get you so far with out the blockers needed to protect them. I want to see some damn offensive lines built here, without it our QB and WR's will be much of the same.

I agree but you need good Olinemen for any offense to be successful. I've seen comments from the return to the option crowd saying they can't recruit the skill position players to run a pro style offense and so far that hasn't appeared to be a huge issue.

 

[redwine65]

oklahoma has a lil better recruiting base being a north texas team.
I hope Im wrong, I hope we get the nations best left tackle, joe montana and jerry rice.
but it's hasn't looked good since we ran the option. I guess we did have a decent year with ganz. next year should look better if these new qb's are not busts.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

oklahoma has a lil better recruiting base being a north texas team.
I hope Im wrong, I hope we get the nations best left tackle, joe montana and jerry rice.
but it's hasn't looked good since we ran the option. I guess we did have a decent year with ganz. next year should look better if these new qb's are not busts.

Callahan recruited well to Lincoln. He just could not field a good defense, and his ego caused him to ignore Husker tradition, making him unpopular with former players, coaches, and boosters. But recruiting was not a problem.

 

[barney44]

I agree but you need good Olinemen for any offense to be successful. I've seen comments from the return to the option crowd saying they can't recruit the skill position players to run a pro style offense and so far that hasn't appeared to be a huge issue.

Yeah you do need good linemen but depending on the type of offense you run it can dictate the types of linemen you'll be more successful with. In a system like Osborne ran you could get away with short linemen or those who weren't the greatest in pass protection, etc. In that system his linemen worked for what they wanted to accomplish and he didn't need the best all around linemen to be effective. I'm not saying go back to his offense because the thing that made it work is no longer on the sidelines. I do prefer a very run focused offense though, just not a run heavy one. Feature a strong, physical running game and an effective passing game. We don't need to be the greatest passing team, just need the ability to move the chains and be a vertical threat.