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Indirectly. The smart ass comments about it taking 2 years here vs Oregon. One hired a head coach that ran a similar, albeit not exact, offense to the guy he replaced, the other hired a guy that was about as polar opposite as you can get.

Which is why there is a 2 year mulligan here. I just don't want to start hearing excuses about how a 4-8 Oregon squad with a new staff is going to roll us because it is only year 3 here.

I have posted several times that 2 years is a reasonable transition but now in year 3 there are no excuses.

And helfrich averaged 11 wins per year his first 3 years - we haven't won 11 games since 2001. He also played for a national championship so he was far and away a better coach than Fickell.
 
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Why Wilson as an example? NC State was a top 25 team with Wilson.

I would look at Entling transferring from Purdue to LSU as a better example.

His individual statistics improved, probably incrementally, but because he was playing with considerably better talent around him. His win/loss record improved more than incrementally. He threw 16 TD and 12 int in 12 starts at Purdue and was 2-10 as a starter. In 10 games as a starter at LSU, he was 7-3 with 11 TD and 5 picks. He was a 55% passer at Purdue and 60% at LSU.

Wilson is not my example of what to expect, he's an anomaly. I'd give you two likes for your post if I could. Transfer QB's gets mentioned and the board go to guy is Wilson. In the same way you say people think the OLine will suck, other people say collecting a paycheck, I say Russell Wilson.

5 percent improvement in comp%, 20 point improvement in QBR for TLee seem very reasonable.
 
2015 you guys have 35 rushing TD's and 17 passing TD's. 12-2 record.
2016 you have have 23 rushing TD's and 17 passing TD's. 8-5 record.

If one takes the approach from a #runthedamnball perspective, 2 throwing TD's is good. That is not NU's approach anymore, and higher production in passing than running is showing up on this board. In order to have a good record the TD's have to come from somewhere, or your defense has to be stout, or both.

I don't have to ask you if you would prefer your coming season to be more like 2015 or 2016.
Understood. 25 TDs would put him too 30 in FBS. I don't know if the stats I looked up included bowls/championships or not. I would think Nebraska fans would be plenty happy with 25 TDs through 12 games. The post I quoted made it sound like 25 TDs would be the difference between 6 and 10 wins. I would think the number to watch is INT's. Keep it below 10 and 23 TDs would be pretty good right?
 
Which is why there is a 2 year mulligan here. I just don't want to start hearing excuses about how a 4-8 Oregon squad with a new staff is going to roll us because it is only year 3 here.

And helfrich averaged 11 wins per year his first 3 years - we haven't won 11 games since 2001. He also played for a national championship so he was far and away a better coach than Fickell.

And Helfrich averaged 6 1/2 his last 2 years.

He took over the number 2 team in the country. It isn't like he built it from scratch. The only difference between him and big Luke is that it took Helfrich a couple of more years to reach Peter principal level.

The comparison to Fickel was that both had 11 win talent and only won 4 and 6 games with that talent.
 
You can always look for why something won't be successful. That's easy to do. It just doesn't make sense to me.

It's like someone can look at an opponent that went 7-6 last year, and because they return a bunch of players, it will automatically be an improvement.

But our team returns 5 guys who started on the offensive line, assuming Conrad starts at C, 4 of whom were sophomores, and the assumption is they will suck. This from a team that won 9 games. I have a feeling it is just people looking to have lower expectations so that if the team exceeds those expectations they can feel good about it and not feel like a kick in the gut.

I fully expect the offensive line to be productive. 5 guys who started at least 4 games last year return.
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Understood. 25 TDs would put him too 30 in FBS. I don't know if the stats I looked up included bowls/championships or not. I would think Nebraska fans would be plenty happy with 25 TDs through 12 games. The post I quoted made it sound like 25 TDs would be the difference between 6 and 10 wins. I would think the number to watch is INT's. Keep it below 10 and 23 TDs would be pretty good right?

We'll have a new defense, and we're replacing a running qb with a throwing qb. We don't know what Langsdorf's playcalling breakdown will be. We don't know when the passing TD's or INT's will come, maybe 4 in some games and maybe 0 in others. You're asking about INT and TD numbers, I see more to it than that. But I'll eventually try to answer the question.

It's not wise to try to use statistics to describe two different situations, especially with a bunch of unknowns. But that's what I'm gonna do here. The prudent choice is to just say there's question marks, and save yourself an hour of time looking up numbers and posting on a message board. So take whatever is coming with a grain of salt.

The data
2015 NU - 458 pass attempts, 27 TD, 21 INT, we score 33 ppg, opponents score 28 ppg, TA has 129 QBR. What I see first and foremost is 27 TD's and part of the OP is about TLee having 25 TD's. Next I see 1 out of every 17 attempts is a TD, 1 out of every 22 attempts is an INT.

2016 NU - 399 pass attempts, 18 TD, 9 INT, we score 27 ppg, opponents score 24 ppg, TA has 124 QBR. So, 1 out of 22 attempts is a TD, 1 out of 44 is an INT.

TLee stats1 - 1 in 28 attempts for TD, 1 in 24 attempts an INT, 108 QBR.
TLee stats2 - 1 in 25 attempts for TD, 1 in 39 attempts an INT, 110 QBR.

The discussion
In 2015 we see a higher number of TD's and INT's per attempt, indicative (to me) of a more open and aggressive passing game. Either the pass playcalling, the QB decision making, or both were more aggressive, bigger risk, bigger gain. 2016 is the opposite with lower numbers of TD's and INT's per attempt. TLee's number indicate a more conservative approach. 25 TD's to 10 INT's would be a pretty big step up for TLee. An interesting side note is that for both TA and TLee their comp% went down from one year to the next.

Now to answer your TD and INT numbers question. 25 TD's and 10 INT's is only enough if our run game can account for TA's rush production and our defense is at least as good or better than last year. I don't see us being able to recover TA's lost rush production. I would not expect TD's and INT's to be distributed uniformly over the season. I would generally expect more TD's against bad teams and more INT's against good teams (generally speaking). I would not expect our defense to hold opponents to less than 20 ppg this year, so production has to come from somewhere to win games.
 
Depends on how the games go,

In 2016 - the offense ran 923 plays and ran the ball 523 times. Where in 2015 they had 954 plays and 496 rushing attempts.

My opinion, the biggest reason for that is the regular season record in 2015 was 5-7, so when you are behind in games, and/ or unable to stop the opponent, you have to throw more so you can, hopefully, create more possessions and come back. In 2016 when the regular season record was 9-3, you were ahead more often, so you could utilize the run game, be it RB or QB RPO. Even if it was slightly less effective on a YPC basis from 2015-2016, it still ran clock.

We will definitely need some balance but it's more important to throw well and often earlier in games. when you don't have to rather than like you said when you're behind trying to catch up. This is why so many NU fans think that passing doesn't work, because in heavy run first offenses and run first QBs, when we did have to pass it was always predictable.

passing late in the game down 14-21 plus is when defenses expect it so it's not going to work as well ....that plus we've never had a really top notch passing QB in a long time

Average to bad pass QB put in predictable passing situations equals bad passing game
 
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