Here is why we should be concerned

[SnohomishRed]

If you classify coaching into three categories as follows:


Top - Coaches who consistently have players/teams positions playing better than the individual talent level

Average - Coaches who consistently have players/teams/positions playing at the talent level

Bottom - Coaches who consistently under perform to the talent level they have

So far and based on the last five years I would have to rate the coaching staff at average or in the case of defense a bit below - granted some coaches are doing better than others but I am trying to be realistic overall

The problem then becomes how is recruiting - so far its about average maybe it improves but again I do not see this staff becoming all world in recruiting especially at NU with our inherent disadvantages as compared to top recruiting schools.

So if we have a staff that is average or being optimistic just a touch above and our recruiting is say average - how in the world do we ever expect to win a conference title at best this all puts us about 5th or 6th in the Big10 depending on the year.

This is my concern

 

[red rover 70]

Even though his record might not indicate it Riley is a top coach. From what I've seen so far he will win us a B1G title before he's done at Nebraska.

 

[Archie Graham]

Ugh

 

[red rover 70]

After the debacle with Oklahoma for the Big Twelve Title I KNEW Mark would never win one.

 

[Jimmy Frank]

He got 10 wins at Oregon St. Say that 5 times.

 

[SnohomishRed]

After the debacle with Oklahoma for the Big Twelve Title I KNEW Mark would never win one.

Hence why everyone ( or almost everyone) agrees he should not have remained the coach - Whether or not Riley is the right coach has nothing to do with Pelini being the wrong coach

I hope you are right these coaches are nice guys I would love to see them succeed

 

[SnohomishRed]

He got 10 wins at Oregon St. Say that 5 times.

In 2006 he got ten wins - In 2006 he got ten wins.......

According to that Bobbie Bowden should still be coaching - The concern is not what he did ten years ago its what he has done recently

 

[Jimmy Frank]

Bobby Bowden didn't have to recruit to Corvallis.

 

[inWV]

This is what I've seen after four games (actually three, had to miss the USM game): an offense that is missing the high end running game of the past few years but is finding solutions, a QB and receiving corp that are playing above expectations, a run D that is filling the bill and a pass D that is concerning to say the least. The defense is missing key contributors.
What I don't have (and could never expect to have) is evidence as to whether Mike Riley will win a conference title or not. The people that want to run him out of town or speak poorly of him either have an agenda or just like to troll. I applaud those who defend him. Riley by all accounts is a good coach and a decent human being. We cannot even begin to know whether he will meet the expectations of this fan base after just the non-con part of one season.

 

[red rover 70]

Hence why everyone ( or almost everyone) agrees he should not have remained the coach - Whether or not Riley is the right coach has nothing to do with Pelini being the wrong coach

I hope you are right these coaches are nice guys I would love to see them succeed

This has zero to do with being nice. For all the piss and vinegar being dumped on Banker they are doing exactly what needs to be done to be successful at this point. We didn't get destroyed by Utah. Oregon pulled that off. We are fighting and battling and that's what i want to see. When Riley has depth and he's developed his roster look out.

 

[G0B1GRED]

Dude give it up, its been 4 games (could be 4-0 very easily right now) and 10 months on the job. He knows football, and I also know that you don't.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Bobby Bowden didn't have to recruit to Corvallis.

What is really wrong with Corvallis - Have you ever been there?

* Close to Oregon Beaches
* Closer to Portland and Seattle than Eugene
* Close enough to N calif to recruit there
* Good access to Eastern Washington and Idaho

Not the greatest facilities but not the dumpster people make them out to be - Corvallis is not that bad its not West Texas thats for sure

 

[SnohomishRed]

Dude give it up, its been 4 games (could be 4-0 very easily right now) and 10 months on the job. He knows football, and I also know that you don't.

Lets revisit your insults at the end of the year and see if you still feel the same way

 

[Archie Graham]

What is really wrong with Corvallis - Have you ever been there?

* Close to Oregon Beaches
* Closer to Portland and Seattle than Eugene
* Close enough to N calif to recruit there
* Good access to Eastern Washington and Idaho

Not the greatest facilities but not the dumpster people make them out to be - Corvallis is not that bad its not West Texas thats for sure

Brah…look at the history of Oregon State's program. Seriously man.

 

[Jimmy Frank]

It seems like Husker fans have to defend their coaching staff and team from other Husker fans more than rival teams. Rival teams fans don't bother posting here because they can't get a jab in edge wise, lmao. Sad.

 

[studed]

Even though his record might not indicate it Riley is a top coach. From what I've seen so far he will win us a B1G title before he's done at Nebraska.

he never won pac 12 or went to a bcs bowl at Oregon state

 

[GammaxuvirHusker]

Brah…look at the history of Oregon State's program. Seriously man.

Look at KSU's history before Bill Snyder got there.

Some people need to just face the facts. Top coaches win, pure and simple. Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh, Les Miles - all coaches who win no matter where they're at.

I hope that our HC proves me wrong, but an average coach does not all of a sudden become a great coach by simply taking a new job.

 

[Jimmy Frank]

Since 1940 Oregon St. has been to 17 bowl games. Riley was the HC for 8 of them.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

What is really wrong with Corvallis - Have you ever been there?

* Close to Oregon Beaches
* Closer to Portland and Seattle than Eugene
* Close enough to N calif to recruit there
* Good access to Eastern Washington and Idaho

Not the greatest facilities but not the dumpster people make them out to be - Corvallis is not that bad its not West Texas thats for sure

The real comparison comes down to how it compares to its competitors. If you are being honest Oregon State is probably second to last at best in terms of how easy it is to recruit to. And one could certainly make a case that Washington St is easier to recruit to.

 

[Jimmy Frank]

Look at KSU's history before Bill Snyder got there.

Some people need to just face the facts. Top coaches win, pure and simple. Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh, Les Miles - all coaches who win no matter where they're at.

I hope that our HC proves me wrong, but an average coach does not all of a sudden become a great coach by simply taking a new job.

Snyder would have been run out of town here, he went:
1-10, 5-6, 7-4, 5-6 is first 4 years.

 

[SnohomishRed]

The real comparison comes down to how it compares to its competitors. If you are being honest Oregon State is probably second to last at best in terms of how easy it is to recruit to. And one could certainly make a case that Washington St is easier to recruit to.

WSU is literally in the middle of nowhere - heck you need to drive to another city to even get a commuter plane

OSU is right along the I-5 corridor - look not saying its the center of the world but its a nice place imo and with access to the Oregon beaches ( which are very nice) it has some attraction

 

[suhnami]

Even though his record might not indicate it Riley is a top coach. From what I've seen so far he will win us a B1G title before he's done at Nebraska.

What have you seen exactly that will win a B1G title?

 

[nebcountry]

...So if we have a staff that is average or being optimistic just a touch above and our recruiting is say average - how in the world do we ever expect to win a conference title at best this all puts us about 5th or 6th in the Big10 depending on the year.

This is my concern

I take that to be the meat of the post. I don't see condemnation or praise of the current staff. Is this so lacking in over-the-top enthusiasm that people have to jump in with teeth bared?

 

[jedimasterjed]

Riley is a good coach, my biggest concern is the recruiting. We need to be able to land a few more top level talent.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

WSU is literally in the middle of nowhere - heck you need to drive to another city to even get a commuter plane

OSU is right along the I-5 corridor - look not saying its the center of the world but its a nice place imo and with access to the Oregon beaches ( which are very nice) it has some attraction

I've never been to Oregon. I'm sure Corvailles is great. But according to Pac 12 "experts" the consensus is that only Washington St is probably a tougher job. And the common theme is that it's difficult to recruit to Oregon State. According to Athlon it was ranked #11 this year by the "experts" and there reasoning was below.

"The stadium has been upgraded but still lags behind the Pac-12's best in terms of intimidation factor and size, while the facilities pale in comparison to their in-state big brother from Eugene. Getting recruits to Corvallis is extremely difficult as well. This job is better since Mike Riley rebuilt it but there is a reason OSU has won one conference title since 1954."

 

[jflores]

Look at KSU's history before Bill Snyder got there.

Some people need to just face the facts. Top coaches win, pure and simple. Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh, Les Miles - all coaches who win no matter where they're at.

I hope that our HC proves me wrong, but an average coach does not all of a sudden become a great coach by simply taking a new job.

Snyder is an all-time legend. I don't think anyone is saying we hired anyone of that caliber. And as pointed out, Snyder lost a lot of ball games to get to that point.

Go look at the top list of 25 winningest coaches and construct me a dream sheet of folks who could come here. I think you'll find that NU was going to end up with a coach (no matter whether he was Riley, or Hudspeth or Whittingham or Swinney), that didn't have a whole lot of splash behind their name.

 

[Jimmy Frank]

I wonder what LSU saw when they hired Saben from Mich. St. Fact is, hiring a coach is a crap shoot.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Snyder is an all-time legend. I don't think anyone is saying we hired anyone of that caliber. And as pointed out, Snyder lost a lot of ball games to get to that point.

Go look at the top list of 25 winningest coaches and construct me a dream sheet of folks who could come here. I think you'll find that NU was going to end up with a coach (no matter whether he was Riley, or Hudspeth or Whittingham or Swinney), that didn't have a whole lot of splash behind their name.

Agreed Snyder is one of the all time greats....and he feasted off the JUCO talent around him.

 

[G0B1GRED]

Lets revisit your insults at the end of the year and see if you still feel the same way

Deal. But I also don't base my opinions of a new head coach after one year, let alone 4 games...... Like some people.

 

[jflores]

Lets revisit your insults at the end of the year and see if you still feel the same way

I find it mildly amusing that a bunch of nobodies is losing their minds on message boards, and any time a former player speaks, its usually kind of "meh, shit happens". Even with the current results, Foreman was still downright giddy about Cover 4 last week on the radio.

Legendary players preaching time, fans losing their minds, I think we're pretty safe to just enjoy the ride and let the chips fall where they may when the time comes.

 

[tpmcg]

its not West Texas thats for sure

so i've heard

 

[suhnami]

I've been to West Texas and Texas Tech, it's meh.

 

[dinglefritz]

WSU is literally in the middle of nowhere - heck you need to drive to another city to even get a commuter plane

OSU is right along the I-5 corridor - look not saying its the center of the world but its a nice place imo and with access to the Oregon beaches ( which are very nice) it has some attraction

Your disdain for Mike Riley was evident from the minute he was hired. Why don't you go take some anti-depressants and give us all a break.

WSU is literally in the middle of nowhere - heck you need to drive to another city to even get a commuter plane

OSU is right along the I-5 corridor - look not saying its the center of the world but its a nice place imo and with access to the Oregon beaches ( which are very nice) it has some attraction

You know what really concerns me? The mental health state of guys like you that day after day, come on here and tear something down. Your negativity since day ONE on this hire has been overwhelming and apparently you have nothing better to do than to try to tear down the program that you supposedly are a fan of. Your sole purpose seems to convince everybody that your are right, that Riley was a terrible hire and that he and Banker have no chance of success. Please go find some other purpose in life.

 

[rcnut223]

2006

pac 10 record -not the conference it is today

School W L Pct W L Pct Own Opp SRS SOS Notes
Southern California 11 2 .846 7 2 .778 30.5 15.2 20.36 7.90
California 10 3 .769 7 2 .778 32.8 19.3 16.36 4.74
Oregon State 10 4 .714 6 3 .667 27.8 22.2 9.67 4.88
UCLA 7 6 .538 5 4 .556 23.0 19.9 8.71 6.25
Arizona State 7 6 .538 4 5 .444 26.8 25.1 6.28 4.43
Oregon 7 6 .538 4 5 .444 29.5 26.5 5.94 5.55
Arizona 6 6 .500 4 5 .444 16.6 19.6 5.84 7.01
Washington State 6 6 .500 4 5 .444 24.6 23.1 5.81 5.40
Washington 5 7 .417 3 6 .333 21.8 25.9 2.81 6.39
Stanford 1 11 .083 1 8 .111 10.6 31.4 -8.73 7.93

 

[jeans15]

so i've heard

I loved hanging out with swim team at TCU

 

[studed]

Look at KSU's history before Bill Snyder got there.

Some people need to just face the facts. Top coaches win, pure and simple. Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Jim Harbaugh, Les Miles - all coaches who win no matter where they're at.

I hope that our HC proves me wrong, but an average coach does not all of a sudden become a great coach by simply taking a new job.

yep dennis Erickson was 11-1 tied for first in the pac 12 and won a bcs bowl game at Oregon state. why couldn't riley do that

 

[huskerbaseball13]

yep dennis Erickson was 11-1 tied for first in the pac 12 and won a bcs bowl game at Oregon state. why couldn't riley do that

He did that with some of Riley's players...no?

 

[G0B1GRED]

yep dennis Erickson was 11-1 tied for first in the pac 12 and won a bcs bowl game at Oregon state. why couldn't riley do that

Ya, two years after Riley left for the pros. Wonder who recruited those players to OSU? Hmmmm.

 

[Jimmy Frank]

yep dennis Erickson was 11-1 tied for first in the pac 12 and won a bcs bowl game at Oregon state. why couldn't riley do that

...and then went 5-6 the next year, why oh why?

 

[jeans15]

...and then went 5-6 the next year, why oh why?

Would you take that deal?