Gunnell out. Who's next?

[jflores]

Once again, you fail to understand. It isn't knowledge as in factual. It's just opinion. I am not trying to offer proof one way or the other, simply saying your argument has little factual basis at this time.

For a guy whose offering no proof one way or the other you certainly have a fairly strong disposition towards "he's not".

The fact that several organizations have paid him a lot of money to assume roles that at least in part evaluate talent, has to at least take a truly neutral observer and give him a nudge toward "he's probably pretty good".

And that's before you pile on things like jumping on guys early before other big schools do, like POB.

 

[jflores]

How do you know it's DL and not Coach Riley doing the evals anyway?

Because anyone who has paid a modicum of attention to Husker football in the last 3 recruiting cycles would no doubt have read the bevy of Twitter and media articles about DL going to work someone out or evaluate their ability to make the throws he wants to make.

Riley rarely IMO, travels with DL to court QB's. While I can think of one instance on Twitter where the Gebbia's hosted Riley and DL after Gebbia had been committed for some time, more often than not Riley is brought in to close at other position groups (The Farniok example sort of the gold standard with DL making the trip as well).

It'd be real hard to make the case that Riley is the prime QB evaluator, when DL is the one pounding the pavement working these guys out and extend the offer or not.

Most recently Duggan had commented that DL had watched him workout a couple of times, and he had been in DL's office going over the offense a couple of times.

 

[NikkiSixx]

For a guy whose offering no proof one way or the other you certainly have a fairly strong disposition towards "he's not".

The fact that several organizations have paid him a lot of money to assume roles that at least in part evaluate talent, has to at least take a truly neutral observer and give him a nudge toward "he's probably pretty good".

And that's before you pile on things like jumping on guys early before other big schools do, like POB.

I really did just want to point out how people make assumptions of fact without really examining things..

Also, it is well known that people from the west coast are always watching who Mike offers. I don't think you can say the same for DL, at least without using some sort of transitive property, which usually only works in mathematics anyways.

As to my personal opinion, well, let's take a look at what's out there:

This doesn't cover everyone who he offered, so it's the best I can come up with.
http://247sports.com/Coach/Danny-Langsdorf-705/AllTimeRecruits

Now, let's compare that with someone with a little more of a track record:
http://247sports.com/Coach/Tim-Beck-347/AllTimeRecruits

Now, can we really tell who is the better talent evaluator? not really. Can you say one guy is a better recruiter than another?.. not sure about that either..

Can you say Tim Beck has recruited more higher ranked athletes? Yeah, but he has had higher profile positions.

It's not easy to try to come up with facts about how good DL's talent eval is..

 

[jflores]

I really did just want to point out how people make assumptions of fact without really examining things..

Also, it is well known that people from the west coast are always watching who Mike offers. I don't think you can say the same for DL, at least without using some sort of transitive property, which usually only works in mathematics anyways.

As to my personal opinion, well, let's take a look at what's out there:

This doesn't cover everyone who he offered, so it's the best I can come up with.
http://247sports.com/Coach/Danny-Langsdorf-705/AllTimeRecruits
http://247sports.com/Coach/Danny-Langsdorf-705/AllTimeRecruits
Now, let's compare that with someone with a little more of a track record:
http://247sports.com/Coach/Tim-Beck-347/AllTimeRecruits

Now, can we really tell who is the better talent evaluator? not really. Can you say one guy is a better recruiter than another?.. not sure about that either..

Can you say Tim Beck has recruited more higher ranked athletes? Yeah, but he has had higher profile positions.

It's not easy to try to come up with facts about how good DL's talent eval is..

Although I'm of the opinion that Riley is a good talent evaluator...

You don't really have any way of separating out whether Pac12 folks thought that of him at OSU because he did it personally or if he reaped the benefits of a staff that was able to do it rather regularly. (In reality its both).

There are benefits to being the boss (your staff's success becomes your success), and in many cases the HC is not the primary talent evaluator.

 

[jflores]

I really did just want to point out how people make assumptions of fact without really examining things..

Also, it is well known that people from the west coast are always watching who Mike offers. I don't think you can say the same for DL, at least without using some sort of transitive property, which usually only works in mathematics anyways.

As to my personal opinion, well, let's take a look at what's out there:

This doesn't cover everyone who he offered, so it's the best I can come up with.
http://247sports.com/Coach/Danny-Langsdorf-705/AllTimeRecruits
Now, let's compare that with someone with a little more of a track record:
http://247sports.com/Coach/Tim-Beck-347/AllTimeRecruits

Now, can we really tell who is the better talent evaluator? not really. Can you say one guy is a better recruiter than another?.. not sure about that either..

Can you say Tim Beck has recruited more higher ranked athletes? Yeah, but he has had higher profile positions.

It's not easy to try to come up with facts about how good DL's talent eval is..

Recruiting is a different argument. Of course Tim Beck would have the advantage having worked at better positions, in pure star rating.

In terms of the talent evaluation discussion, I think it has to be framed more along the lines of actual evaluation. Is the guy really good at reeling in a whole bunch of 5* that everyone knows are good players (that's basically recruiting). Or is he good at filling needs with folks that are both on and off the radar according to his own judgement?

Bill Callahan took a "offer all the Rivals 100" approach to offers. DL does not appear to do that and has good success with his judgement. I think it substantiates his ability to evaluate instead of just offering Tate Martell cuz stars.

 

[TruHusker]

Well, the one thing we do know for sure about Danny is he can't call plays. Just read his forum after a game, preferably a loss.

I am being sarcastic BTW.

 

[nordakotahusker]

I really did just want to point out how people make assumptions of fact without really examining things..

Also, it is well known that people from the west coast are always watching who Mike offers. I don't think you can say the same for DL, at least without using some sort of transitive property, which usually only works in mathematics anyways.

As to my personal opinion, well, let's take a look at what's out there:

This doesn't cover everyone who he offered, so it's the best I can come up with.
http://247sports.com/Coach/Danny-Langsdorf-705/AllTimeRecruits
Now, let's compare that with someone with a little more of a track record:
http://247sports.com/Coach/Tim-Beck-347/AllTimeRecruits

Now, can we really tell who is the better talent evaluator? not really. Can you say one guy is a better recruiter than another?.. not sure about that either..

Can you say Tim Beck has recruited more higher ranked athletes? Yeah, but he has had higher profile positions.

It's not easy to try to come up with facts about how good DL's talent eval is..

Do we really even know that people from the west coast watch who Mike offers? Do they watch them in person? Do they watch them on TV? Do they watch their film clips on HUDL? on you tube? Do hey hire private investigators to watch them?

Do they watch the people that Mike offers? Or who his assistants offer? Do we know really know that its Mike that makes the offers? Does he do it in person? or by text? or fax? cell phone? smoke signals?

Who are these people from the west coach who watch? Coaches? Fans? other players? KBG agents? Do we really have any idea? Do we truly know that they exist?

I really just wanted to point out how people make assumptions of fact without really examining things..

You can eat up all this "people from the west coast are always watching who Mike offers" stuff you want Nikki, but I don't think it's justified fact yet.

 

[NikkiSixx]

Do we really even know that people from the west coast watch who Mike offers? Do they watch them in person? Do they watch them on TV? Do they watch their film clips on HUDL? on you tube? Do hey hire private investigators to watch them?

Do they watch the people that Mike offers? Or who his assistants offer? Do we know really know that its Mike that makes the offers? Does he do it in person? or by text? or fax? cell phone? smoke signals?

Who are these people from the west coach who watch? Coaches? Fans? other players? KBG agents? Do we really have any idea? Do we truly know that they exist?

I really just wanted to point out how people make assumptions of fact without really examining things..

You can eat up all this "people from the west coast are always watching who Mike offers" stuff you want Nikki, but I don't think it's justified fact yet.

c'mon, you don't like your own medicine? I can't feed the same line of BS back to you guys?

I do know Jim Harbaugh will turn around and offer guys that Mike has, and has been doing it for years.

 

[nordakotahusker]

c'mon, you don't like your own medicine? I can't feed the same line of BS back to you guys?

I do know Jim Harbaugh will turn around and offer guys that Mike has, and has been doing it for years.

I never said squat in this post. Just giving you a dose of yours.

 

[NikkiSixx]

I never said squat in this post. Just giving you a dose of yours.

yeah, I knew what I was doing when I used that line about Mike
it's cool

 

[BroskiRed]

Now, let's compare that with someone with a little more of a track record:
http://247sports.com/Coach/Tim-Beck-347/AllTimeRecruits

Now, can we really tell who is the better talent evaluator? not really. Can you say one guy is a better recruiter than another?.. not sure about that either..

Can you say Tim Beck has recruited more higher ranked athletes? Yeah, but he has had higher profile positions.

It's not easy to try to come up with facts about how good DL's talent eval is..

You use Johnny Stanton to discredit Danny Langsdorf but bring up Tim Beck's track record. I've personally always thought of ol Tim as a glorified HS football coach. His track record at Nrebraska wasn't great, recruited athletes masquerading as quarterbacks.
You're clearly arguing for the sake of argument while painting yourself in a corner. Since you want to argue recruiting both ways why don't you do everyone a favor and just move along on recruiting posts on the forum since nothing is put on the field until college ball/college career by your own logic. Nah you wouldn't do that.
You seem to care quite a bit about recruiting and evaluating for someone that puts not much stock in it.

 

[NikkiSixx]

You use Johnny Stanton to discredit Danny Langsdorf but bring up Tim Beck's track record. I've personally always thought of ol Tim as a glorified HS football coach. His track record at Nrebraska wasn't great, recruited athletes masquerading as quarterbacks.
You're clearly arguing for the sake of argument while painting yourself in a corner. Since you want to argue recruiting both ways why don't you do everyone a favor and just move along on recruiting posts on the forum since nothing is put on the field until college ball/college career by your own logic. Nah you wouldn't do that.
You seem to care quite a bit about recruiting and evaluating for someone that puts not much stock in it.

It was to draw a parallel between the two guys to make a point on purpose. Most guys don't regard him that highly here (I do) but I chose him to point out how difficult it was to try to compare or ascertain how 2 guys whom most think are worlds apart, could look so lopsided the other way on the stat sheet. It's very difficult to try to determine what coaches are good at evaluating talent. Sorry you didn't understand.

 

[19Football19]

c'mon, you don't like your own medicine? I can't feed the same line of BS back to you guys?

I do know Jim Harbaugh will turn around and offer guys that Mike has, and has been doing it for years.

Ummmmmm okay. Whatever you have to tell yourself or us in this case. I'm not a Mich fan, but come on. Put the kool-aid down. Do you really think Jim gives 2 poops about who Mike offers?!?! We're Neb not Mich. we have to offer early and pray Jim doesn't come cherry pick whoever he wants.

 

[timnsun]

Ummmmmm okay. Whatever you have to tell yourself or us in this case. I'm not a Mich fan, but come on. Put the kool-aid down. Do you really think Jim gives 2 poops about who Mike offers?!?! We're Neb not Mich. we have to offer early and pray Jim doesn't come cherry pick whoever he wants.

Ummmmmmm okay. If you've been a fan of this team you would realize this is not a stretch at all, as it has happened consistently from the start, both at Nebraska and at Oregon State when Harbaugh was coaching at Stanford.

And Jim has had a tough time cherry picking us, so stop with the trolling... who are you a fan of, really? You say you're not a Mich fan, but I know you aren't a husker fan either, by your constant negative posts about the huskers.

 

[BroskiRed]

It was to draw a parallel between the two guys to make a point on purpose. Most guys don't regard him that highly here (I do) but I chose him to point out how difficult it was to try to compare or ascertain how 2 guys whom most think are worlds apart, could look so lopsided the other way on the stat sheet. It's very difficult to try to determine what coaches are good at evaluating talent. Sorry you didn't understand.

I understand perfectly well thanks. You use one argument in one response but it doesn't apply later and you're just making a point using the same subjects in a new narrative to suit your argument. Like I said, you're talking out of both sides of your....mouth, maybe
If or when Kellyanne Conway ever gets fired by Trump, I'll be the first to recommend you as her replacement Six

 

[NikkiSixx]

I understand perfectly well thanks. You use one argument in one response but it doesn't apply later and you're just making a point using the same subjects in a new narrative to suit your argument. Like I said, you're talking out of both sides of your....mouth, maybe
If or when Kellyanne Conway ever gets fired by Trump, I'll be the first to recommend you as her replacement Six

You fell right in to the honeypot. As for your liberal agenda, there is no defense.

 

[NikkiSixx]

Do you really think Jim gives 2 poops about who Mike offers?!?! We're Neb not Mich. we have to offer early and pray Jim doesn't come cherry pick whoever he wants.

Yes, it is well known, and he's been doing that since his days at Stanford, way before going to Michigan.