Gunnell out. Who's next?
- Thread starter Dean Pope
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As far as 2019, I think the Duggan kid out of Council Bluffs. It will be interesting to see if we start going after 2018 kids again. I think skipping 2018 kids was a ploy to get Gunnell (2019 5-star) and since it didn't work, I could see us going after 2018 kids again.
He prob won't play for Sumlin, as Sumlin may not make it past 2017. Stay on the kid
80 mikes from home and his brother is a WR there. We never had a shot.
You may be right. That begs the question then why devote so much time and resources into a prospect who may only see your program as a comparison for his top choice? Seems like Foster Sarell and Joseph Lewis all over again. At least this time, the prospect made an early decision.
Because if DL does that, he becomes "NU can't get top recruits" Pelini/Els and gets fired anyway.
Just keep swing for the fences. We'll eventually get one. And when we start winning more, we'll get even more. But you can't just not try because you're starting behind the 8 ball on some of these kids. The fact that the best prospects in the country are seriously considering us when we're a middle of the pack big 10 program the last 10 years speaks volumes. Granted, it doesn't win us any game if we don't get them to play here, but we are up upgrading our talent every class and if the play on the field starts to reflect that, all of a sudden the top prospects will have that much more to like about Nebraska.
I was simply answering a question. Switherb asked why Texas A&M. I gave my opinion as to why.
As far as why recruit him at all. Because he said he was interested in Nebraska. Plain and simple. It's recruiting not order taking. The coaches have to sell the product. you can't simply settle or take whoever will have you.
Could use a lot more pop on the ball, but he'll get stronger. You can't teach some of what he does as a runner. I sure don't see his WRs padding his stats, either. Looks like he could have a lot of upside.
Longer article about Gunnell and other offers NU put out:
https://www.landof10.com/nebraska/n...Landof10&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social
https://www.landof10.com/nebraska/n...Landof10&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social
Not me. I stand by my opinion the he won't go to school north or west of College Station and south or east of Baton Rouge.
I also stand by my opinion that if a school has a player as their number 1 guy on the board that you go full out to get him.
So nope, no rethinking my posts.
I agree with that. But if the Huskers "never had a shot" as you say (and I don't disagree), shouldn't the staff had extended at least ONE new QB offer over the last seven months? I'm all for recruiting great talent if they are interested. It's just not a great idea to recruit only one QB for 2019 and no one in 2018 if that QB is a long shot at best.
I think that you have to show your top recruit that you want him and only him. 2019 recruits are only now going into their junior years. It's probably a blessing that Gunnel committed this early. That allowed Langsdorf to extend the offer the kid from Council Bluffs and begin some evaluations for this fall. There are kids that have never started a varsity game and have no offers that will blow up this fall. If I have learned one thing about Langsdorf, it's that he has a good eye for talent. He will find a QB in 2019 and possibly 2.
Edit- just because an offer wasn't extended to some of these 2019s doesn't mean Langsdorf wasn't actively recruiting in case Gunnell went elsewhere.
Edit- just because an offer wasn't extended to some of these 2019s doesn't mean Langsdorf wasn't actively recruiting in case Gunnell went elsewhere.
If I can ask, how did you learn this? Do you have proof? It's not like we have seen a recruit from DL actually play in a game yet. I mean, you could be right, but we don't know that yet do we?
Simple, look at who becomes interested in a recruit after Langsdorf does. POB had very little interest, Gebbia to an extent, Shough was an unknown until Langs visited, then boom he had 10 offers and one from his dream school Michigan, where he will end up. Gunnell was offered very early on before most had offered.
High school players that end up highly recruited but weren't until Langsdorf became interested. Some you get, some you don't.
Additionally, just because he doesn't ever coach a player doesn't mean he wasn't offering before other got involved.
Also, we each learn at our own pace, I have confidence you'll catch up.
Do you really think that this staff didn't have a game plan for if he was N or out.. I'm pretty sure that they did.. I would hardly call Duggan a plan B guy but he just wasn't this staff's #1... I'm good with letting this play out and with Langs and Riley history of landing top Qbs.. they know what they are doing
Shough outshining UM's 4* commit at Elite 11. Remind you of a certain RS-Fr QB on the NU roster who was a relative unknown, got an NU offer, and proceeded to light up camps and his senior season?
https://www.landof10.com/michigan/wolverines-elite-11-tyler-shough-joe-milton
That's a lot of top QB recruits thinking real hard about going to Michigan. Sooner or later they're gonna figure out they won't all get to play.
Elite 11 is a nice gage not the be all, much like recruiting in general...aka Johnny Stanton made E11 and had some good press during the event and never sniffed the field. First two years Danny was tied to Tommy (great leader but not a drop back qb), exciting what we'll evolve into as an offense within the next 2 years.
But basically it's a bummer not to get Gunnell however we have a 1 1/2 years to find out next QB or two, we're still in a good position.
But basically it's a bummer not to get Gunnell however we have a 1 1/2 years to find out next QB or two, we're still in a good position.
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If the plan was to only offer one QB and that QB was an A&M lean all along and you're not going to offer another QB until after that one QB makes a decision, then that's not a great plan. They are fortunate Gunnell made an early decision. To me, the only reason you would ever recruit one QB would be if you believe he's a heavy lean toward your school. And some feel that Langsdorf thought Gunnell was a lean to NU.
Who knows? There's a better than 50/50 chance that Sumlin gets fired anyway. Vegas has the Aggies at 7 wins. Sumlin won't survive a 7-6 season or even a 4th straight 8-5 year for that matter.
A couple of observations Dean Pope. You are assuming that Gunnell didn't tell Langsdorf that he was going to announce early. Also you are assuming that other QB recruits weren't told Gunnell is our number 1 guy, and that as soon as he makes a decision other offers wil be extended.
My experience is that the coaches were pretty up front and honest about where the athletes are on their big board and if and/or when they should be expecting a committable offer.
My experience is that the coaches were pretty up front and honest about where the athletes are on their big board and if and/or when they should be expecting a committable offer.
We are talking about 2019 here... there's nothing here that suggests if Gunnell would have held out til signing day our coaches would have been high and dry.
It's one thing to say it was poor planning if our coaches were 9 months away and never offered another QB... 23 months? I feel like the coaches knew they had time, and were quick to offer their #2 guy as soon as Gunnell opted for a & m.
If Gunnell was still undecided this time next year, I have no doubt the coaches would have moved on from him to secure a good QB, and if Gunnell surprised them at the end, great! But to say they didn't have a plan is pure speculation... these coaches have shown enough to suggest they have backup plans in place already when plan A goes awry.
That certainly could be the case. I didn't assume anything (I said "if"). The way this is going right now, it could still work out fine. This Duggan kid is as good a QB to come out of the area in 15 years. That helps! There are other kids interested. I think it will work out fine. Could also be a decommit down the road as well.
Good point. I would also disagree with anyone who said that they did not have a plan.
That is good anecdotal evidence, but it doesn't necessarily offer proof either. Just because someone else offers a guy after you did, doesn't necessarily prove the original person is a great evaluator of talent.
The point I am trying to make is very often you speak in absolutes like this, way before there is actual valid evidence to support your argument.
You haven't seen a DL recruited QB play a single snap in a game at Nebraska. Yet you have learned DL is a great evaluator of talent, only supported by 'me too' football offers?
I probably wouldn't have jumped on it if you had said it was just your opinion. Of course everyone is entitled to that.
Since I said "what I've learned", it puts the ownership on me, I don't care if you or others share that same knowledge.
Secondly, your argument offers nothing to dispute he is a good talent evaluator. You are claiming there isn't proof he is a quality talent evaluator because he hasn't had a player play a single snap at Nebraska. That's like saying the newly hired scout for the Twins, who spent 8 years with the Padres, hasn't proven he is a good scout because he hasn't yet had a player get to the MLB level for the Twins.
Langsdorf is widely known as a very good evaluator of talent, because you don't know that doesn't make it any less true.
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Once again, you fail to understand. It isn't knowledge as in factual. It's just opinion. I am not trying to offer proof one way or the other, simply saying your argument has little factual basis at this time.
Heard of Sean Mannion? Langsdorf was OC at Oregon State from 2005-2013.
Mannion committed to Langs in June 2009.
Mannion went on to set school record for TD passes in a season and got drafted in the third round of 2015 NFL draft.
POB was offered by DL before Colorado State even offered him in April 2015. By June POB was invited to the semifinals of the Elite 11 QB camp.
But we don't know about Langsdorf's evaluation skills, let's not jump to any conclusions yet...
I'm looking forward to what Langsdorf and his recruits can do at Nebraska; he is unquestionably a good talent evaluator like Tuco said.
He also recruited Johnny Stanton then too..
POB hasn't done anything yet, and many were surprised of his getting an invite to the Elite 11, so much so that Trent Dilfer had to remark about it. Something similar also happened with Johnny Stanton and the Elite 11. Furthermore, it seems last year the word was not so good on POB. Maybe that has changed or not.
Now, I know that coach Riley is well known for being a good evaluator of talent, and this is based on a long history.
You guys can eat up all this DL stuff you want, but I don't think it's justified fact yet.
How do you know it's DL and not Coach Riley doing the evals anyway?
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