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Good on Marcus Freeman

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So tired of talking heads bringing race into discussions. Marcus Freeman, like Tony Dungee and other Black coaches aren't having it.

Yeah I've enjoyed his interviews. Seems pretty genuine and down to earth
 
loved this...
it's ridiculous to act like we don't " see race" ... we do... 3 of my grandkids are children of color... it would be stupid to NOT notice... the deal is to not care and it not matter... of course we notice.
Agree, silly example. We have a foster son plus some bio kids. Neighbor called me early on and said someone she didn't know was taking the dirt bike. I asked "teenage black guy?" She said "yes, I think that's the person to which you're referring". Lol, the foster kid and I had a good laugh about that one! He said I could tell her that he knows he's black.
 
Agree, silly example. We have a foster son plus some bio kids. Neighbor called me early on and said someone she didn't know was taking the dirt bike. I asked "teenage black guy?" She said "yes, I think that's the person to which you're referring". Lol, the foster kid and I had a good laugh about that one! He said I could tell her that he knows he's black.
I'm not angry... the opposite... I just hope we can SOMEDAY not have to worry about it ...

So many interesting side notes to this issue... ongoing... one reason I liked watching Ted Lasso... obviously fake show but i loved what mixing races COULD look like...

Blessings
 
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it's ridiculous to act like we don't " see race" ... we do... 3 of my grandkids are children of color... it would be stupid to NOT notice... the deal is to not care and it not matter... of course we notice.
I’m bettin that is exactly what was meant in the post I responded to. I really don’t think he was saying “I really hope some day nobody notices the different colors of people.”
 
Not sure. He looks like he's mixed race. I look forward to the day that no one notices someone's skin color.
Never going to happen. And modern media (I'll keep it at that but there's more) is taking advantage of this very attitude to promote racial fetishization.
 
Coach from ND is being a good coach. Said he hopes for opportunities for minorities and mixed race people, but this is about his team, not him. The dude obviously knows his skin color and knows what time of day it is on that side of the street.
 
The media owners want to see the world burn and try their best to make everyone obsessed with race. This will be in full force during the championship on MLK day. ND has a lot of WEIRD shit going for them and noooo one is going to give them a chance to win this..should be interesting.
 
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It is an insult to all the hard work that one does

And it involuntarily calls into question a person’s qualifications. If you say we have to hire more (race/gender/ethnicity) how does one know they are actually the best qualified candidate? Why should you believe you’re the best candidate and why shouldn’t you believe you’re just the best female/black/hispanic available?

Express that you want to hire the best possible candidate. And when you hire a minority that individual will actually be the best available candidate. They will more likely believe they’re the best candidate, and will be empowered to succeed. Rant over/
 
The media owners want to see the world burn and try their best to make everyone obsessed with race. This will be in full force during the championship on MLK day. ND has a lot of WEIRD shit going for them and noooo one is going to give them a chance to win this..should be interesting.

Including Vegas, apparently. I think they opened as 9.5 dogs
 
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loved this...
it's ridiculous to act like we don't " see race" ... we do... 3 of my grandkids are children of color... it would be stupid to NOT notice... the deal is to not care and it not matter... of course we notice.
I think "not seeing race" doesn't actually mean that the person is blind it means that they don't care about what you look like.
 
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Absolutely see and acknowledge race. The differences that people bring to the table make our country unique. Race is a part of it but just don't make it the defining part of what a person is. Race tells just a part of a person's story.
 
Absolutely see and acknowledge race. The differences that people bring to the table make our country unique. Race is a part of it but just don't make it the defining part of what a person is. Race tells just a part of a person's story.
Not really sure what this means. “Mohammed, nice to meet you (shake hands), before we get started on discussing terms of the contract, I see that your skin color is different than mine, can you tell me, what have been your experiences? I want to know your story.”

Sucks for blind people, they don’t get to really appreciate what everyone brings to the table and can’t get all of a persons story.

Should we assume two people of a different color have vastly different or unique experiences? And really, unless we are their friends or a medical professional, why should we care?
 
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Growing up in a very monocultural Nebraska I have always been fascinated by people who did not grow up like I did. Living in Texas and California was a blessing just to be exposed to different types of folks that I never would have had the chance had I stayed in Nebraska. It's part of the reason I love traveling. Love examining new people and experiences different than mine. I'm just curious I guess
 
How come no one asks Freeman how he feels about being the first "Asian" coach to get to the championship game? Not the first black coach.
Really, they should be asking both, you know, to get the whole story, so that we know everything that he is bringing to the table.
 
Not really sure what this means. “Mohammed, nice to meet you (shake hands), before we get started on discussing terms of the contract, I see that your skin color is different than mine, can you tell me, what have been your experiences? I want to know your story.”

Sucks for blind people, they don’t get to really appreciate what everyone brings to the table and can’t get all of a persons story.

Should we assume two people of a different color have vastly different or unique experiences? And really, unless we are their friends or a medical professional, why should we care?
Society (the media) has made it uncomfortable and taboo making people just want to bury their heads in the sand and pretend we’re all the same (not see color) In a world that hadn’t been socially whipped by the history writers, your example of that conversation would be completely normal because different cultures (races) absolutely have much different experiences, practices, strengths and weaknesses.

We’re allowed to bring up the strengths of different races (cultures) but not the weaknesses, then it’s the lovely new term “hate speech” that causes this unnatural, forced bottling up of feelings, which I believe is partly why there’s so much tension.

If you believe a one-world government is being attempted, this is certainly one of the ways they’re trying to implement it. One-world culture, look what’s happening with country and hip hop music.
 
Imagine if we didn’t see color.. or sexual orientation or gender or religion or socioeconomic status or any of a number of other things…. But then who would we stir up hatred against to gain power????
 
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it's ridiculous to act like we don't " see race" ... we do... 3 of my grandkids are children of color... it would be stupid to NOT notice... the deal is to not care and it not matter... of course we notice.

Sadly, over the last 50-60 years we’ve trained a large portion of our society to believe that playing the race card is personally beneficial. And they’re not wrong. You can shame, silence, manipulate and bully people with the accusation of racism. You can influence public policy and make a living off of racism. We have careers and livelihoods that depend on and need racism to justify their own existence and politicians whose basis for every decision is filtered through a racial lense.

They’ve been trained to not only notice race, which is unavoidable as you stated, but to care deeply about those racial differences and use them for personal gain.
 
Imagine if we didn’t use color.. or sexual orientation or gender or religion or socioeconomic status or any of a number of other things…. But then who would we stir up hatred against to gain power????
Fixed it.
 
Sadly, over the last 50-60 years we’ve trained a large portion of our society to believe that playing the race card is personally beneficial. And they’re not wrong. You can shame, silence, manipulate and bully people with the accusation of racism. You can influence public policy and make a living off of racism. We have careers and livelihoods that depend on and need racism to justify their own existence and politicians whose basis for every decision is filtered through a racial lense.

They’ve been trained to not only notice race, which is unavoidable as you stated, but to care deeply about those racial differences and use them for personal gain.
Not sure why this take is hard for people to see. My point, which seems to be lost by some, is that it would be great to honor someone's achievements without referencing their skin color.
 
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Not sure why this take is hard for people to see. My point, which seems to be lost by some, is that it would be great to honor someone's achievements without referencing their skin color.

I guess I don’t care either way as long as the achievements are real and focus of the statement(s) is on the person’s achievements and not their race/gender/sexuality.

As in, I don’t care if someone says “he’s the 1st black coach to…” as long as it’s a statement of observation and acknowledgment and not the focus of attention. A person’s character and achievements should be what we focus on and celebrate, not one’s race/gender/ethnicity. Simply put… Celebrate character and achievements, acknowledge race. I only have a problem when people flip those priorities, as some people/media often do.
 
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