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Former Wisconsin DB Xavier Lucas leaving school for Miami without entering transfer portal

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"Former Wisconsin defensive back Xavier Lucas left the school for Miami on Wednesday, according to Yahoo Sports' Ross Dellenger.

Lucas signed a revenue-sharing contract with the Badgers, as they previously refused to enter him into the portal despite requesting a transfer (via Dellenger).

He made the move by withdrawing from classes at Wisconsin and enrolling academically at Miami, presumably bypassing NCAA transfer rules by not formally signing with the Hurricanes."


Xavier Lucas Joins Miami After Wisconsin Refused to Enter Him In CFB Transfer Portal
 
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How is this different than our TE from LSU?
Probably the same thing. The NCAA has stated that it's not in violation of NCAA rules.

"The NCAA provided a statement addressing the situation, explaining that athletes aren't prohibited from unenrolling at their current schools and enrolling at new ones.

'NCAA rules do not prevent a student-athlete from unenrolling from an institution, enrolling at a new institution and competing immediately,' the statement said, via Dellenger."

Xavier Lucas Joins Miami After Wisconsin Refused to Enter Him In CFB Transfer Portal
 
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How is this different than our TE from LSU?
I do recall Rhule said that since the LSU TE didn’t go in the portal they could not — and did not — contact him or help him through the NU admissions process. He did everything on his own just as any other new student would do to enroll and basically just showed up one day at the football offices. It sounded fishy but frankly is the kid such a hot prospect that it would have been worth a hassle by lying about it.

I don’t recall a peep from LSU, which may be the best evidence that it was all kosher, albeit unusual. Not sure that was what happened with the Wisky player as Wisky obviously cried foul.
 
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I do recall Rhule said that since the LSU TE didn’t go in the portal they could not — and did not — contact him or help him through the NU admissions process. He did everything on his own just as any other new student would do to enroll and basically just showed up one day at the football offices. It sounded fishy but frankly is the kid such a hot prospect that it would have been worth a hassle by lying about it.

I don’t recall a peep from LSU, which may be the best evidence that it was all kosher, albeit unusual. Not sure that was what happened with the Wisky player as Wisky obviously cried foul.
Wisky wouldn’t let him transfer by denying his request. So they are up in arms now- ridiculous that it came to that IMO.
 
I do recall Rhule said that since the LSU TE didn’t go in the portal they could not — and did not — contact him or help him through the NU admissions process. He did everything on his own just as any other new student would do to enroll and basically just showed up one day at the football offices. It sounded fishy but frankly is the kid such a hot prospect that it would have been worth a hassle by lying about it.

I don’t recall a peep from LSU, which may be the best evidence that it was all kosher, albeit unusual. Not sure that was what happened with the Wisky player as Wisky obviously cried foul.
We can all rest assured that Miami didn’t contact the Wisconsin player before he enrolled there. They would never do anything like that.
 
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Wisconsin can’t deny him going onto the portal. What in the hell are they thinking.
He had signed a 2 year NIL agreement, what I read is Wisky is going after him for breach of contract.

Just another court battle looming.

Allegedly his father has a new medical condition and the kid wants closer to home. Wisky says no because he signed the "2 year template" for monetary compensation from them.

I am sure more $$ has absolutely nothing to do with it......

I guess we will see who wins in court.

 
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Assuming I'm reading this all right (big asumpshen), the whole thing feels like kind of a lose/lose all the way around.

Wisconsin - Can't really just let players breach contract on a whim. Slippery slope - you do it once and the precedent is set for other players to do it left and right going forward.

NCAA - Similar boat as Wisconsin, only on a MUCH bigger scale. Once one cat is out of the bag, might as well throw the whole portal thing out altogether. The flood gates would open. Again, precedent.

Player - Sure the guy needs to learn that contracts are binding in life and you can't just break them whenever you feel like it because you think the rules don't apply to you - BUT, family first. Can't really blame the guy if his reason for wanting to be closer to a sick family member is true.

Miami - Hey, we're just an innocent bystander here. Sure, come on down. All that crap isn't really our problem and what do we have to lose.
 
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We can all rest assured that Miami didn’t contact the Wisconsin player before he enrolled there. They would never do anything like that.

I'd guess it was the player contacting Miami, but yes, of course contact was made. Same with the LSU player for us. Highly doubtful anyone would jump ship in this way without knowing they could land in another ship.
 
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I'd guess it was the player contacting Miami, but yes, of course contact was made. Same with the LSU player for us. Highly doubtful anyone would jump ship in this way without knowing they could land in another ship.
I hope you are wrong because that would mean Rhule lied when he stated no such contact was made and the TE just enrolled without any prior contact with NU Athletics. I am choosing to believe him.
 
I hope you are wrong because that would mean Rhule lied when he stated no such contact was made and the TE just enrolled without any prior contact with NU Athletics. I am choosing to believe him.

Well, I don't remember exactly what was said or how it was worded, but A) I would assume Rhule (or any coach in America) would absolutely publicly lie about that kind of thing 100% of the time if there was even a hint of some sort of rules being broken or legal implications. And B) I find it almost impossible to believe that any player would just move across the country, enroll in a different school that is a lateral move at best from an education standpoint, and just hope that there's a spot for him on the team with zero prior discussion. I mean, I guess you could be right, but I think you're being incredibly naive here.
 
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He had signed a 2 year NIL agreement, what I read is Wisky is going after him for breach of contract.

Just another court battle looming.

Allegedly his father has a new medical condition and the kid wants closer to home. Wisky says no because he signed the "2 year template" for monetary compensation from them.

I am sure more $$ has absolutely nothing to do with it......

I guess we will see who wins in court.

This is a PR loser for Wisconsin. They need to release him and move on
 
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I know it doesn’t matter but how are these players eligible? No way all of their credits transfer
You don’t have to have all that many credits to transfer. Eligibility I think just depends on 12 credit hours of passing grades in the previous semester. Graduation gets to be the problem for them later on.
 
He had signed a 2 year NIL agreement, what I read is Wisky is going after him for breach of contract.

Just another court battle looming.

Allegedly his father has a new medical condition and the kid wants closer to home. Wisky says no because he signed the "2 year template" for monetary compensation from them.

I am sure more $$ has absolutely nothing to do with it......

I guess we will see who wins in court.

If you read that correctly I think he signed that after they refused to enter him in the portal.. someone probably told him then hey they can’t do that . Since the portal was closed he was told to choose this course of action. By t like you said it will be interesting how this shakes out.
 
"Former Wisconsin defensive back Xavier Lucas left the school for Miami on Wednesday, according to Yahoo Sports' Ross Dellenger.

Lucas signed a revenue-sharing contract with the Badgers, as they previously refused to enter him into the portal despite requesting a transfer (via Dellenger).

He made the move by withdrawing from classes at Wisconsin and enrolling academically at Miami, presumably bypassing NCAA transfer rules by not formally signing with the Hurricanes."


Xavier Lucas Joins Miami After Wisconsin Refused to Enter Him In CFB Transfer Portal
Will be interesting to see how this ends and if he actually is eligible to play at Miami for the Spring practices.
 
Wisconsin isn't ready to let this go. And no surprise that there was (allegedly) impermissible contact between Miami and Xavier Lucas before he requested to enter the portal and before eventually enrolling at Miami without entering the portal.
 
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Wisconsin isn't ready to let this go. And no surprise that Miami (allegedly) tampered with Xavier Lucas before he tried to enter the portal.
It will be interesting to see how this shakes out as it likely will establish a precedent. I think it probably will end in a negotiated settlement with Miami owing Wisconsin a financial payment to release him.
 
You don’t have to have all that many credits to transfer. Eligibility I think just depends on 12 credit hours of passing grades in the previous semester. Graduation gets to be the problem for them later on.
You are overlooking some of the other aspects of academic eligibility. For example, after the second year of enrollment, every class taken must count toward the student-athlete's declared course of study (major). Further, NCAA rules provide that a student-athlete must have completed no less than 60% of degree requirements by the end of the third year of enrollment and 80% by the end of the fourth year. These rules are supposed to be in place even if the student-athlete transfers.

The NCAA is scared to enforce these rules right now. Why? All those courts issuing decisions in favor of the athletes are silent on the question of academic progress. They are simply ruling that the transfer rules expand or that the rules don't apply anymore. The question of academic progress is not part of the lawsuits (the kids are just asking for rulings that allow them to change schools easier), so courts haven't been asked to rule on their legality. So the NCAA doesn't know if it can enforce those standards anymore.

The NCAA can be criticized for many things, but having academic progress requirements is not one of them. Less than 2% of NCAA athletes will ever draw a professional paycheck, and only a miniscule number will make enough to retire on (or make enough NIL $ to retire on). These student-athletes need to get a real education so that they can function in society after age 25
 
He had signed a 2 year NIL agreement, what I read is Wisky is going after him for breach of contract.

Just another court battle looming.

Allegedly his father has a new medical condition and the kid wants closer to home. Wisky says no because he signed the "2 year template" for monetary compensation from them.

I am sure more $$ has absolutely nothing to do with it......

I guess we will see who wins in court.


How can Wisconsin go after him legally? His NIL deal isn’t with the university, it’s with a collective or private enterprise.
 
How can Wisconsin go after him legally? His NIL deal isn’t with the university, it’s with a collective or private enterprise.
Just was rehashing what I thought I had read in article. Was not NIL per se, was a 2 year "revenue sharing" agreement. Two different things, but I used NIL by mistake.

Will be interesting how it plays out, and will likely set a further precedent in this unregulated morass.
 
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You are overlooking some of the other aspects of academic eligibility. For example, after the second year of enrollment, every class taken must count toward the student-athlete's declared course of study (major). Further, NCAA rules provide that a student-athlete must have completed no less than 60% of degree requirements by the end of the third year of enrollment and 80% by the end of the fourth year. These rules are supposed to be in place even if the student-athlete transfers.

The NCAA is scared to enforce these rules right now. Why? All those courts issuing decisions in favor of the athletes are silent on the question of academic progress. They are simply ruling that the transfer rules expand or that the rules don't apply anymore. The question of academic progress is not part of the lawsuits (the kids are just asking for rulings that allow them to change schools easier), so courts haven't been asked to rule on their legality. So the NCAA doesn't know if it can enforce those standards anymore.

The NCAA can be criticized for many things, but having academic progress requirements is not one of them. Less than 2% of NCAA athletes will ever draw a professional paycheck, and only a miniscule number will make enough to retire on (or make enough NIL $ to retire on). These student-athletes need to get a real education so that they can function in society after age 25
I agree on the academic progress deal but if a kid is taking 15 hours a semester it's pretty easy to meet those requirements even if some credits don't transfer. I think virtually all football players take at least some summer session classes as well. It shouldn't be that tough to pass enough credits for some of the majors these guys take. Can't you go through your first two years as an undeclared major?
 
I agree on the academic progress deal but if a kid is taking 15 hours a semester it's pretty easy to meet those requirements even if some credits don't transfer. I think virtually all football players take at least some summer session classes as well. It shouldn't be that tough to pass enough credits for some of the majors these guys take. Can't you go through your first two years as an undeclared major?

Depends how long you want to stay. The longer you go undeclared, the longer you get to stay in college. And the best part was, I got older...but the girls stayed the same age
 
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he should probably stop dealing with the badgers and canes...nothing but trouble...and head to lincoln
 
It will be interesting to see how this shakes out as it likely will establish a precedent. I think it probably will end in a negotiated settlement with Miami owing Wisconsin a financial payment to release him.
It would be totally on point for this entire NCAA/NIL/immediate transfer mess to result in a judgement that contracts are not enforceable.
 
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Just was rehashing what I thought I had read in article. Was not NIL per se, was a 2 year "revenue sharing" agreement. Two different things, but I used NIL by mistake.
He also signed a $500,000 NIL deal around that same time. Both were two year agreements. There's some talk that he already received some of that money.
 
Depends how long you want to stay. The longer you go undeclared, the longer you get to stay in college. And the best part was, I got older...but the girls stayed the same age
No it doesn't. By rule, all must declare a major by the start of the third year of full-time enrollment
 
I agree on the academic progress deal but if a kid is taking 15 hours a semester it's pretty easy to meet those requirements even if some credits don't transfer. I think virtually all football players take at least some summer session classes as well. It shouldn't be that tough to pass enough credits for some of the majors these guys take. Can't you go through your first two years as an undeclared major?
Just pointing out that you didn't mention some of the other requirements that must be met to meet academic progress requirements. There are others too, such as minimum GPA. You're correct, it SHOULD be easy to maintain the minimum required to meet the requirements. But a lot of kids don't. And then when you transfer without all of your earned credits being accepted by the new school, it's easy to fall behind.
 
No it doesn't. By rule, all must declare a major by the start of the third year of full-time enrollment

Confused Robert Downey Jr GIF
 
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