Former Husker Tweets

[chicolby]

While we agree on the difficulty in ths situation, we do not agree that this is why we are losing. There's not a person that can convince me that we shouldn't be at least 6-2 right now. Every team we have played so far is average to god awful. I realize this is like blashphemy around here but I truly believe we'd be closer to 7-1 than 3-5 right now if Bo weren't fired due solely to the comfort level of the scheme.

I agree that Bo would most likely have won more games at this point in the season. Maybe 6-2, maybe 5-3, outside chance even of 7-1, and we'd finish with 9 wins again and still have made no progress. Just kicking the can down the street a little longer. I am comfortable with the alternative of losing many of these games as a new philosophy, culture, even game plan was necessary, and I'd rather just get it over with now than waiting for another year or two or three.

Of course, I wish the transition was smoother and that we'd be sitting at 7-1 with a new staff, but it hasn't happened that way so we have the hand we're dealt. I still believe Riley and crew will turn this around.

 

[SnohomishRed]

I think some of these players or former players are close to getting their wish - If this garbage keeps on going then the fans will start leaving and the stadium will not be full

I think Pelini and his old players and maybe current players need to understand - there is no middle ground if you want fans to be happy when the products sucks - it will not happen - If you do not want fans to be critical ( any school) then ask your old team mates how much fun it is playing at YSU in front of a few thousand people

 

[Harry Caray]

I recognize pro sports are entirely different from college sports due to draft picks, etc., but I do believe the Cubs are a decent model. They could have kept patchworking teams together to avoid the full collapse, but the Cubs went to work to fix and change the culture, yes, both by bringing in new young players, but also because they went after high character guys, from the top, the leadership stood behind the culture and direction of the team, even knowing they'd have 2 - 3 really rough seasons.

The Cubs opened up the checkbook to hire proven winners like Theo and Maddon. We did not.

 

[tro80]

I have a feeling that it is driving many of the Bo guys nuts that the stadium was full Saturday - late into the fourth quarter in fact. The stadium being full on November 27 with a 6 loss is going to ruin their Thanksgiving. And it will be full again come first game next year. it will take more than some sour grapes by a bunch of immature young adults and a painful transition to kill the passion.

 

[JHball]

No we would of been 5-3

BYU = W
South Alabama = W
Miami ' Loss 48-13 (Bo would have not been able to make adjustments after the initial punch in the mouth)
Southern Miss = W
Illinois = W
Wisconsin = Loss 70-31(Cause you know what, he lost like that to them every year he played them
Northwestern = Loss 30-28(Because it was their turn to win a close one)

I'd rather be 3-5 and being competitive in all the games, than 5-3 with ugly losses
Bo seasons were not any better, and the smell of his drunken BO still lingers over this football team. We need to wait two years to see if that is the case!!!

That's fair. Your guess is as good as anyone

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

The Cubs opened up the checkbook to hire proven winners like Theo and Maddon. We did not.

Name me the proven winners we could hire, and the amount it would take.

 

[kaz36]

Name me the proven winners we could hire, and the amount it would take.

People automatically think that throwing $$$$ around will be the answer. SMH

 

[SnohomishRed]

People automatically think that throwing $$$$ around will be the answer. SMH

Thats the funny thing about money - You never know what falls out of the tree until you try. If you offer 5 million ( which btw is less than what we are paying two coaches right now) then it may just entice someone you did not think possible

But more so even than money we need a measured well thought out approach to hiring coaches that should include all aspects - what do we need - how to structure it and who would be available for how much.

I am thinking an approach that may work for us would be to put together a dream staff - In fact I would love to see what a staff of Riley HC coupled with a DC of Don Brown could do - Throw a million dollars at a coach like this and I would be willing to bet he comes here

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

Throw a million dollars at a coach like this and I would be willing to bet he comes here

Just like Auburn threw $1,600,000 (1.6 MILLION for the mathematically challenged folks) to Muschamp, how's that working out?

I'll answer it for you...

PPG
Nebraska 24.8
Auburn 29.7

Rush YPG
Nebraska 99.13
Auburn 199.86

Pass YPG
Auburn 230.7
Nebraska 321.1

Total YPG
Nebraska 420.23
Auburn 430.56

Highest paid coordinator on either side of the ball, in all of college football, with results worse than Mark freaking Banker.

 

[SnohomishRed]

Just like Auburn threw $1,600,000 (1.6 MILLION for the mathematically challenged folks) to Muschamp, how's that working out?

I'll answer it for you...

PPG
Nebraska 24.8
Auburn 29.7

Rush YPG
Nebraska 99.13
Auburn 199.86

Pass YPG
Auburn 230.7
Nebraska 321.1

Total YPG
Nebraska 420.23
Auburn 430.56

Highest paid coordinator on either side of the ball, in all of college football, with results worse than Mark freaking Banker.

Granted money is no guarantee now is that bad hire by Auburn no not really given his stellar track record on defense.

Its not so hard to figure out that money makes a difference here - It again is no guarantee and I agree it may be hard to bring in a Harbaugh type to NU no matter how much we offered but we can certainly pay enough to bring in the best assistant coaches money can buy

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

Granted money is no guarantee now is that bad hire by Auburn no not really given his stellar track record on defense.

Its not so hard to figure out that money makes a difference here - It again is no guarantee and I agree it may be hard to bring in a Harbaugh type to NU no matter how much we offered but we can certainly pay enough to bring in the best assistant coaches money can buy

I can see it now, December 2014 Mike Riley hires Will Muschamp with a $1.6M per year deal. Results are what's previously posted, this forum absolutely explodes and shuts down the internet.

I'll say it again, money doesn't guarantee anything. @Harry Caray (I think) brought up the Cubs, what about the Dodgers that have wasted three straight post-seasons with two of the best pitchers in MLB? Mattingly was one of the highest paid managers in baseball, but the return wasn't there. Scioscia, I think at least, is in the $5M club just like Maddon, he won a WS 13 years ago and IIRC, hasn't won a post-season game since 2008 (not one game). Is he worth the money, based on results? ((Yes, I'd love to see him back in Dodger blue, ha!))

Would I like to see Nebraska toss $5-10M or more at a top notch coach? Absolutely I would but the problem is, I don't see what I'd consider the top coaches coming to Nebraska. Saban, Meyer, top two coaches in all of college football that I believe would win at any P5 program in the country - including the worst of the worst. Good luck getting in a bidding war with either school, which we would never win, and getting left in the cold. Would I like to see Scott Frost hired back in December 2014? Absolutely not, but I'm open to it down the road as I'd prefer someone with some type of HC experience, regardless of the level.

There are very few "can't miss" head coaches, I'd say 5 or less. Personally, I don't see any of them leaving their current gig, no matter the money thrown at them.

 

[newAD]

People automatically think that throwing $$$$ around will be the answer. SMH

And firing people frequently works well. This guy did it all the time:

 

[SnohomishRed]

I can see it now, December 2014 Mike Riley hires Will Muschamp with a $1.6M per year deal. Results are what's previously posted, this forum absolutely explodes and shuts down the internet.

I'll say it again, money doesn't guarantee anything. @Harry Caray (I think) brought up the Cubs, what about the Dodgers that have wasted three straight post-seasons with two of the best pitchers in MLB? Mattingly was one of the highest paid managers in baseball, but the return wasn't there. Scioscia, I think at least, is in the $5M club just like Maddon, he won a WS 13 years ago and IIRC, hasn't won a post-season game since 2008 (not one game). Is he worth the money, based on results? ((Yes, I'd love to see him back in Dodger blue, ha!))

Would I like to see Nebraska toss $5-10M or more at a top notch coach? Absolutely I would but the problem is, I don't see what I'd consider the top coaches coming to Nebraska. Saban, Meyer, top two coaches in all of college football that I believe would win at any P5 program in the country - including the worst of the worst. Good luck getting in a bidding war with either school, which we would never win, and getting left in the cold. Would I like to see Scott Frost hired back in December 2014? Absolutely not, but I'm open to it down the road as I'd prefer someone with some type of HC experience, regardless of the level.

There are very few "can't miss" head coaches, I'd say 5 or less. Personally, I don't see any of them leaving their current gig, no matter the money thrown at them.

There is more than just a Muschamp out there - How about Don Brown at BC - I agree that we will not be able to attract ( most likely) a Harbaugh or Saban or Meyer no matter how much money we throw at them. That does not mean we cannot take a chance with all the money floating around CFB on paying some asst coaches top salaries - Its worked ok for Clemson

 

[Archie Graham]

People automatically think that throwing $$$$ around will be the answer. SMH

Our vocal minority has lost it's damn mind. What's worse is that some of them KNOW they are hurting recruiting and do it anyway so they can say they are right. They know changes are NOT happening but they post anyway. All in year one with the situation Riley inherited. Just sad.

 

[JHball]

Our vocal minority has lost it's damn mind. What's worse is that some of them KNOW they are hurting recruiting and do it anyway so they can say they are right. They know changes are NOT happening but they post anyway. All in year one with the situation Riley inherited. Just sad.

It's a vicious cycle. The other side was saying the same thing for the last few years. What else can I say except at least...we're not in Canada

 

[thejyd]

I didn't see anything wrong with KBs tweet. KB never played for these guys but he said he liked the new staff. I'm sure he's not happy with the 3-5 record just like any other husker

Have you ever seen anything wrong with KB's tweets? The problem is that Coach Riley needs the support not the old coaching staff. This is a very testy situation and he knows exactly what he is doing with tweets like this.... they all do.

 

[newAD]

Our vocal minority has lost it's damn mind. What's worse is that some of them KNOW they are hurting recruiting and do it anyway so they can say they are right. They know changes are NOT happening but they post anyway. All in year one with the situation Riley inherited. Just sad.

Best fans in college football.

 

[mountainmann]

I think some of these players or former players are close to getting their wish - If this garbage keeps on going then the fans will start leaving and the stadium will not be full

I think Pelini and his old players and maybe current players need to understand - there is no middle ground if you want fans to be happy when the products sucks - it will not happen - If you do not want fans to be critical ( any school) then ask your old team mates how much fun it is playing at YSU in front of a few thousand people

Losing sucks. Look at what UM did to Golden and he had a winning record this year. You think any once dominant team is going to have the fan base unite over a downturn? I honestly think the cupboard is bare due to Poorlini and his inability to recruit and his inability to get good/great QB's to NU. The last 6 years have been TMart and TA. You can't win with these lawn dart specialists. Actually, TA is king of the overthrow and Tmart was the lawn dart assassin.

 

[Archie Graham]

It's a vicious cycle. The other side was saying the same thing for the last few years. What else can I say except at least...we're not in Canada

Let me be as clear as I possibly can: (1) people became highly critical of Bo after FIVE YEARS in the head position, (2) show me a single person who said that our current results can persist past four years.

Rational fans, who are the majority, recognize the situation we are dealing with at Nebraska right now. Riley and his staff need time to work and it sure as hell doesn't help when idiots in our fan base are screaming for changes that any reasonably intelligent person know are not coming any time soon. The only thing it does is hurt a highly organized and aggressive staff who is recruiting in season, and lest we forget, 2/3 of our last HCs didn't even really attempt to recruit in the months of August - December.

 

[tpmcg]

And firing people frequently works well. This guy did it all the time:

a face only a mutha could love...i liked al even though im a steeler fan, but dang thats rough.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

There is more than just a Muschamp out there - How about Don Brown at BC - I agree that we will not be able to attract ( most likely) a Harbaugh or Saban or Meyer no matter how much money we throw at them. That does not mean we cannot take a chance with all the money floating around CFB on paying some asst coaches top salaries - Its worked ok for Clemson

I'd have to look deeper in to him to give you an honest answer. On the surface, he looks good....

However, I don't know of too many head coaches that don't hire a coordinator that he is familiar with, with the offense/defense they want installed in their first couple years. Or at the very least, if he wasn't familiar with him, started as a position coach than promoted from within. That doesn't mean support for Banker, I was against his hire (and Reed) when it was announced. Money was not a problem for coach Riley from Eichorst. I had heard he had $4M to work with, more was available based on who, how much and what was happening during the process.

As for Clemson, coincidentally Venables first season at Clemson, they gave up 24.8 PPG, which is the exact number as Banker 2015 to date.

 

[husker2612]

Man, this pisses me off. If this subject has already been beaten to death on here, siap. Guys like Kenny Bell and Will Compton still posting sour grapes about Bo and it's effecting current players. Grow up. And guys like Jay Foreman responding to it, calling it BS.

If you loved Bo so much, perhaps you should have played a little harder and not embarrassed yourselves and Bo on national TV again and again?

'95 guys = all about the Nebraska and the program
Bo's guys = all about Bo and themselves

I'll take the mindset of who actually won championships.

Sorry for the rant, this got my blood boiling.

Yep, Bo got into the head of these kids BAD. With former players sending out tweets, many of whom the current players are still friends with, doesn't help anything. I don't believe the "BO effect" is the only reason for this teams issues. I do think it is a big part of it.
I still am not 100% sold on Riley, but....... this team still looks very much like a Bo coached team. I think the only difference is Riley is keeping these games from being blowouts. Until these players get out of here, that is the only way we can really know what Riley can do here.

 

[husker2612]

You just knew KB was gonna get a few salvo's in. There was no way he was going away quietly.

Yep talk about the symbolic participation trophy generation poster boy!

 

[husker2612]

Fair enough, but change happens in football all the time. It happens in life all the time. Let's not act like we're the only ones who have ever gone through this. Nobody wants to win more than the players on the team. And nobody is trying to sabotage the current team dispite what the conspiracy theorist say. The point is, being able to motivate and inspire is part of a teachers job. If the current coaches aren't able to do that then it speaks more about them than it does about any former regimes imo.

I think there are other issues besides the BOliever players left in the locker room. I don't know if Riley is the guy to lead us back or not. If there are a faction of players that are not 100% mentally with this staff that just make things that much harder.
Lets see how else can something like this be put into perspective........Ok, Imagine you have worked at your job, with the same boss, (one you absolutely love), for 7 years. He lets you slack off, take long lunch breaks, come and go as you want pretty well. Now you all got your work done as needed, but you loved how it was. He gets fired and the new boss comes in. You don't know much about the new boss, but know it will not be the same as the old boss. He wants things done a different way.... but wait, you loved the old way and don't want a change. Are you not going to show up to work everyday? are you not going to still get your work done? Are you not going to play nice with the new boss? Of course the answer is probably yes. BUT are you going to put extra effort in, work 120% for the new guy? Are you going to have a bit of a negative attitude? Are you going to still fee loyal to the old boss? 1 negative attitude has a virus effect, it spreads and can bring the whole group down.

 

[RedSoxHusker]

Kenny is suppose to be on Mike Welch's radio show tomorrow to talk about his comments (tweets). Might be worth a listen.

 

[SnohomishRed]

I'd have to look deeper in to him to give you an honest answer. On the surface, he looks good....

However, I don't know of too many head coaches that don't hire a coordinator that he is familiar with, with the offense/defense they want installed in their first couple years. Or at the very least, if he wasn't familiar with him, started as a position coach than promoted from within. That doesn't mean support for Banker, I was against his hire (and Reed) when it was announced. Money was not a problem for coach Riley from Eichorst. I had heard he had $4M to work with, more was available based on who, how much and what was happening during the process.

As for Clemson, coincidentally Venables first season at Clemson, they gave up 24.8 PPG, which is the exact number as Banker 2015 to date.

I realize you are not a Banker fan either - but one of the knocks on him is his defenses have not normally been very good . If he came in with a stellar track record people would be more apt to give him time before jumping on him

 

[JHball]

I think there are other issues besides the BOliever players left in the locker room. I don't know if Riley is the guy to lead us back or not. If there are a faction of players that are not 100% mentally with this staff that just make things that much harder.
Lets see how else can something like this be put into perspective........Ok, Imagine you have worked at your job, with the same boss, (one you absolutely love), for 7 years. He lets you slack off, take long lunch breaks, come and go as you want pretty well. Now you all got your work done as needed, but you loved how it was. He gets fired and the new boss comes in. You don't know much about the new boss, but know it will not be the same as the old boss. He wants things done a different way.... but wait, you loved the old way and don't want a change. Are you know going to show up to work everyday? are you not going to still get your work done? Are you not going to play nice with the new boss? Of course the answer is probably yes. BUT are you going to put extra effort in, work 120% for the new guy? Are you going to have a bit of a negative attitude? Are you going to still fee loyal to the old boss? 1 negative attitude has a virus effect, it spreads and can bring the whole group down.

I think this is a good analogy and why I don't think it's a Riley vs Bo issue. This was going to be tough for anyone without a huge name. The more I think about it, the more I think that Riley needs to just announce his presence with authority, sort of speak. If you're in, great, stick around and let's turn this thing around together. If not, get out. I don't care if you're a 3 year letter winner. We need everyone on the same page or Riley and company won't stand a chance. It's now this staff's responsibility to make sure everyone is on the same page no matter the cost.

 

[timnsun]

I think this is a good analogy and why I don't think it's a Riley vs Bo issue. This was going to be tough for anyone without a huge name. The more I think about it, the more I think that Riley needs to just announce his presence with authority, sort of speak. If you're in, great, stick around and let's turn this thing around together. If not, get out. I don't care if you're a 3 year letter winner. We need everyone on the same page or Riley and company won't stand a chance. It's now this staff's responsibility to make sure everyone is on the same page no matter the cost.

I liked the analogy as well and can agree with your statement here too. Makes a lot of sense.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

I realize you are not a Banker fan either - but one of the knocks on him is his defenses have not normally been very good . If he came in with a stellar track record people would be more apt to give him time before jumping on him

Appreciate the discussion.

 

[HuskerBandGeek]

I realize you are not a Banker fan either - but one of the knocks on him is his defenses have not normally been very good . If he came in with a stellar track record people would be more apt to give him time before jumping on him

I'm encouraged that our run defense has looked much better this year with young backers, and no consistency in who has been playing week to week.

Yes our secondary has issues, and I think its not all the schemes fault. The players seem to fit better in the previous defensive staffs ideology and are struggling to adapt. Recruiting can fix this issue.