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St. Anger

St. Anger

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Man, this pisses me off. If this subject has already been beaten to death on here, siap. Guys like Kenny Bell and Will Compton still posting sour grapes about Bo and it's effecting current players. Grow up. And guys like Jay Foreman responding to it, calling it BS.

If you loved Bo so much, perhaps you should have played a little harder and not embarrassed yourselves and Bo on national TV again and again?

'95 guys = all about the Nebraska and the program
Bo's guys = all about Bo and themselves

I'll take the mindset of who actually won championships.

Sorry for the rant, this got my blood boiling.
 
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Those guys would run through a brick wall for Bo! What they wouldn't do for him is play good football. Stockholm syndrome.
 
Updated version it feels like to me if playing for the name on the back of the jersey and not the one on the front.

No man is bigger than the team and the organization.
 
Maybe you should stop reading their tweets if they're so upsetting to you guys.

Actually, why are you reading tweets from a bunch of 20 something year old kids anyways? I doubt they're reading anybody's on here.
 
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Captain Nick said:
Maybe you should stop reading their tweets if they're so upsetting to you guys.

Actually, why are you reading tweets from a bunch of 20 something year old kids anyways? I doubt they're reading anybody's on here.
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To me personally, not really upsetting. Offense can never be given, only taken.

That said, the effect it has on our current team, that's what pisses me off.
 
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It is a cult in a lot of ways. I have a family member who played for NU and has the same mentality. Loves Bo, and shakes his head at the new staff. He has been gone for 4 years. It's going to take awhile to get that crap out of the program.
 
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It is quite interesting to read and hear the players from former coaches (namely Osborne and Solich) vs. those from Pelini's years. There is a stark difference I've noticed.

Players from Osborne/Solich years: Play for pride. Be proud of the Husker jersey you're wearing. Play for the men before you who built the "brand" of Nebraska football.

Players from Pelini years: Fans aren't the best. Pelini was a better coach. Eichorst is evil.

While I don't believe 3-5 is getting the job done, I do think people need to realize how bad the culture is/was at Nebraska and sometimes it requires tearing the team down before it can be built back up again.

I recognize pro sports are entirely different from college sports due to draft picks, etc., but I do believe the Cubs are a decent model. They could have kept patchworking teams together to avoid the full collapse, but the Cubs went to work to fix and change the culture, yes, both by bringing in new young players, but also because they went after high character guys, from the top, the leadership stood behind the culture and direction of the team, even knowing they'd have 2 - 3 really rough seasons.

I think to change the culture at Nebraska will take 2 - 3 years. I believe Riley was hired specifically to do this and I think he's the right guy for the job.
 
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Scott Shanle: “us vs them mentality that was engrained during that time period...usually done in a cult”

A lot of what these players were taught by Bo was all backwards. They were so focused on what they couldn't control (fan's perception, media) that they didn't put in the time to control the things they could (preperation, performance). Bo is just not a natural leader of young men in the developmental sense and that is so key at that age especially.

Riley has a HUGE problem on his hands, one that goes far beyond scheme or talent. The psychology of this team has been tainted and possibly irrevocably damaged.
 
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Someone mentioned to me the DPE retweeted one of those guys. Can anyone confirm this?
 
Maybe it wasn't the former staff contacting the current players? Maybe it's been the former players? Them not necessarily being negative, but not being positive about the current coaching staff.

****Just speculating, throwing it out there. By no means is what I posted above true to my knowledge.****
 
bo-bo cults, and dominating DR.Tom top shelf empires, will pass

but NU football must carry on, and be the central focus

thus sayeth the devine & natural order of things
 
St. Anger said:
Man, this pisses me off. If this subject has already been beaten to death on here, siap. Guys like Kenny Bell and Will Compton still posting sour grapes about Bo and it's effecting current players. Grow up. And guys like Jay Foreman responding to it, calling it BS.

If you loved Bo so much, perhaps you should have played a little harder and not embarrassed yourselves and Bo on national TV again and again?

'95 guys = all about the Nebraska and the program
Bo's guys = all about Bo and themselves

I'll take the mindset of who actually won championships.

Sorry for the rant, this got my blood boiling.
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Tons of Pelini stink is still on the team and these tweets show you the mindset of the players that played under that regime. They actually BELIEVE they were a winning program. It was literally about 9 wins and nothing else.
 
St. Anger said:
To me personally, not really upsetting. Offense can never be given, only taken.

That said, the effect it has on our current team, that's what pisses me off.
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Fair enough, but change happens in football all the time. It happens in life all the time. Let's not act like we're the only ones who have ever gone through this. Nobody wants to win more than the players on the team. And nobody is trying to sabotage the current team dispite what the conspiracy theorist say. The point is, being able to motivate and inspire is part of a teachers job. If the current coaches aren't able to do that then it speaks more about them than it does about any former regimes imo.
 
Mr.Scary13 said:
Tons of Pelini stink is still on the team and these tweets show you the mindset of the players that played under that regime. They actually BELIEVE they were a winning program. It was literally about 9 wins and nothing else.
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Yep that is also part of the problem - they actually were part of a winning program, just not a championship program. Just illustrates even more what the mindset was, good is great, truly great is unattainable...
 
Captain Nick said:
Fair enough, but change happens in football all the time. It happens in life all the time. Let's not act like we're the only ones who have ever gone through this. Nobody wants to win more than the players on the team. And nobody is trying to sabotage the current team dispite what the conspiracy theorist say. The point is, being able to motivate and inspire is part of a teachers job. If the current coaches aren't able to do that then it speaks more about them than it does about any former regimes imo.
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Agree with most of this, but the part about nobody wanting to win more than the players isn't always true. Ideally, yes, anybody who ever plays the game does so to win. At the same time, after so many missteps, beat downs, or whatever it might be, those who play the game may be just tired enough to not give it their all anymore. This seems to be where we're at right now.

Don't get me wrong, I think the players want to win. I'm just not sure they are able to dig deep enough to get it anymore. Speaking more about individual players than the team...
 
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I got tired of KB his final two years, to much opinion and not enough production. He had his moments but they were only moments.
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Totally agree about his final two years. Talk Talk Talk "Gates of Hell" for the former coach. All they were, were moments and that's it. People called me crazy when I said KB wasn't as amazing as people thought. He had one really good catch a game and other than that...squat the rest of the game plus his butt would be injured on the ground every game.
 
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With this going on, IF there are players who haven't bought in, it is BS to criticize Riley for not being able to win all the players over. IMHO, there is a small handfull of current HC's in college football that have enough clout and reputation that might have been able to win the players over from the start, but sorry, Saban, Meyer, etc, they were not going to come here. This was my worst fear when Bo was fired, that NO ONE would be able to rally the entire team together, and we'd be a dumpster fire. The BYU loss and the way it happened, was the gas and match to the fire, and the fire just keeps spreading.

I thought when we had so few defections over the summer, that it was a good thing. Maybe it would have been best had whoever was/is so attached to Bo just leave, and we struggle with youth and innexperience? Bo shocked me in his final address to the players that was recorded when he told the players to give the new coach a chance. I think a bunch listened and did, but not sure how much of a chance they did?

In a way, I wish Bo had stayed one more year. We might have a better record overall, but I think Ameer would have been the equivalent of Crouch to Solich, and Carriker and Moore to Cosgrove, and we would have seen how much Ameer covered for this team last year. Had Bo faced a possible losing season he'd would have likely gone full Woody Hayes at some point, and at least in the minds of these players, wouldn't appear to be the "Nine Win God," that some think he is.

Do we have depth issues? Yes. Do we have roster issues? Yes. Have the coaches screwed stuff up? Yes. But IMHO the biggest issue for the team is between the players ears. Being upset about how things went won't bring Bo back. Playing with less than 100% effort isn't going to get ADSE to admit he screwed up, and bring Bo back.

IMO, there are going to be a lot of guys on this team who a few decades down the road, are going to look back and regret how they handled this transition. You get one shot at life, and some guys (if they can't get over Bo) need to realize that.
 
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I didn't see anything wrong with KBs tweet. KB never played for these guys but he said he liked the new staff. I'm sure he's not happy with the 3-5 record just like any other husker
 
newAD said:
With this going on, IF there are players who haven't bought in, it is BS to criticize Riley for not being able to win all the players over. IMHO, there is a small handfull of current HC's in college football that have enough clout and reputation that might have been able to win the players over from the start, but sorry, Saban, Meyer, etc, they were not going to come here. This was my worst fear when Bo was fired, that NO ONE would be able to rally the entire team together, and we'd be a dumpster fire. The BYU loss and the way it happened, was the gas and match to the fire, and the fire just keeps spreading.

I thought when we had so few defections over the summer, that it was a good thing. Maybe it would have been best had whoever was/is so attached to Bo just leave, and we struggle with youth and innexperience? Bo shocked me in his final address to the players that was recorded when he told the players to give the new coach a chance. I think a bunch listened and did, but not sure how much of a chance they did?

In a way, I wish Bo had stayed one more year. We might have a better record overall, but I think Ameer would have been the equivalent of Crouch to Solich, and Carriker and Moore to Cosgrove, and we would have seen how much Ameer covered for this team last year. Had Bo faced a possible losing season he'd would have likely gone full Woody Hayes at some point, and at least in the minds of these players, wouldn't appear to be the "Nine Win God," that some think he is.

Do we have depth issues? Yes. Do we have roster issues? Yes. Have the coaches screwed stuff up? Yes. But IMHO the biggest issue for the team is between the players ears. Being upset about how things went won't bring Bo back. Playing with less than 100% effort isn't going to get ADSE to admit he screwed up, and bring Bo back.

IMO, there are going to be a lot of guys on this team who a few decades down the road, are going to look back and regret how they handled this transition. You get one shot at life, and some guys (if they can't get over Bo) need to realize that.
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There are only two ways I could have seen this transition going smoothly:

1) Bo goes 5-7 last year;
2) Bo leaves for another job.

Put any coach's name in for Bo and what was accoplished while he was here and the players would act the same way. This firing wasn't about wins and losses. This wasn't Al Golden or Steve Sarkisian. Bo was an a-hole and people wanted him gone. The player's didn't see it that way so it's tough for them to be all in.
 
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Bo's Minions:

Will ComptonVerified account‏@_willcompton
@Zo_Whaley @J_Mitch05 these ppl just don't get it. They don't understand my tweet earlier was actually to them.. The fans that always cry

Zo Whaley ‏@Zo_Whaley Oct 24
@_willcompton @J_Mitch05 hahaha, they're like Vegas, they don't sleep! It's just getting started lol

Scott Shanle‏@scottshanle
Willing go thru growing pains until this staff get their players.Skers as relevent now as the past few yrs. Abdullah and Gregory hide a lot

Will Compton ‏@_willcompton Oct 24
That one guy, that one time, took a 5-7 team and went 9-4 in his first year..
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JHball said:
There are only two ways I could have seen this transition going smoothly:

1) Bo goes 5-7 last year;
2) Bo leaves for another job.

Put any coach's name in for Bo and what was accoplished while he was here and the players would act the same way. This firing wasn't about wins and losses. This wasn't Al Golden or Steve Sarkisian. Bo was an a-hole and people wanted him gone. The player's didn't see it that way so it's tough for them to be all in.
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Agree. That's why I almost wish he'd had one more year, because I am pretty sure we wouldn't be much better.

Due to the mind set that Bo got screw because he was a 9 win coach, makes it that much less likely than another new coach in another situation to win them over.
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Fair enough, but change happens in football all the time. It happens in life all the time. Let's not act like we're the only ones who have ever gone through this. Nobody wants to win more than the players on the team. And nobody is trying to sabotage the current team dispite what the conspiracy theorist say. The point is, being able to motivate and inspire is part of a teachers job. If the current coaches aren't able to do that then it speaks more about them than it does about any former regimes imo.
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I'd agree with that under normal circumstances. This was not normal, and trying to blame Riley and company for not being able to win these people over, is like blaming the California Penal System for not being able to rehabilitate Charles Manson. Some stuff can't be fixed.

This situation reminds me of an HBO movie about the Tuskogee Airmen, when Andre' Braugher's character testified in front of congress.

You invite us to a poker game, hand us a fixed deck... ... and then wonder why we can't win?"

Well we've got older former players tweet bickering with younger former players. This is a fixed deck situation.
 
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Agree. That's why I almost wish he'd had one more year, because I am pretty sure we wouldn't be much better.

Due to the mind set that Bo got screw because he was a 9 win coach, makes it that much less likely than another new coach in another situation to win them over.


I'd agree with that under normal circumstances. This was not normal, and trying to blame Riley and company for not being able to win these people over, is like blaming the California Penal System for not being able to rehabilitate Charles Manson. Some stuff can't be fixed.

This situation reminds me of an HBO movie about the Tuskogee Airmen, when Andre' Braugher's character testified in front of congress.

You invite us to a poker game, hand us a fixed deck... ... and then wonder why we can't win?"

Well we've got older former players tweet bickering with younger former players. This is a fixed deck situation.
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While we agree on the difficulty in ths situation, we do not agree that this is why we are losing. There's not a person that can convince me that we shouldn't be at least 6-2 right now. Every team we have played so far is average to god awful. I realize this is like blashphemy around here but I truly believe we'd be closer to 7-1 than 3-5 right now if Bo weren't fired due solely to the comfort level of the scheme.
 
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While we agree on the difficulty in ths situation, we do not agree that this is why we are losing. There's not a person that can convince me that we shouldn't be at least 6-2 right now. Every team we have played so far is average to god awful. I realize this is like blashphemy around here but I truly believe we'd be closer to 7-1 than 3-5 right now if Bo weren't fired due solely to the comfort level of the scheme.
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No we would of been 5-3

BYU = W
South Alabama = W
Miami ' Loss 48-13 (Bo would have not been able to make adjustments after the initial punch in the mouth)
Southern Miss = W
Illinois = W
Wisconsin = Loss 70-31(Cause you know what, he lost like that to them every year he played them
Northwestern = Loss 30-28(Because it was their turn to win a close one)

I'd rather be 3-5 and being competitive in all the games, than 5-3 with ugly losses
Bo seasons were not any better, and the smell of his drunken BO still lingers over this football team. We need to wait two years to see if that is the case!!!
 
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