If he says yes, they extended an offer. If no, they either didnt offer or pulled it.
Filiaga announced his final 3
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If he says yes, they extended an offer. If no, they either didnt offer or pulled it.
FIFY... If he signs the likes of Filiaga, Lewis, Johnson, F. Sarell, Slade-Matautia, Blades, Daniels, D. Holmes, Shelvin, Lenoir and Calvin then you'd be correct
If he signs the likes of Ward, G. Holmes and bunch of other fill in's... You are wrong in your prediction.
Talk about how fast G. Holmes all you want. He may turn into an all american at some point. He is no Lewis
Edit: To add to this... If we do take Ward on the 25th. That means we have room for 7 of those 11 I mentioned.
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Ranked in order of Star Power
1. Sarell
2. D. Holmes
3. Shelvin
4. Lewis
5. Lenoir
6. Blades
7. Johnson
8. Filiaga
9. Calvin
10. Slade-Matatuia
11. Daniels
12. G. Holmes
13. Ward
Ranked in order of Need
1. Sarell
2. Shelvin
3. Filiaga
4. Daniels
5. D. Holmes
6. Johnson
7. Lewis
8. Lenoir
9. Blades
10. Slade-Matatuia
11. Calvin
12. G. Holmes
13. Ward
So if we sign 8 more like Riley wants, I would like 1-8 on my order of Needs. What it feels like we are going to sign as our last recruits
1. Ward
2. Daniels
3. Calvin
4. G. Holmes
5. ?
6. ?
7. ?
8. ?
Anyone else feel this way?
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I have no control over recruiting. I refuse to go negative over things I have no control over. Let's just see where we end up after signing day. Even if we don't have that monster signing class it's obvious that Coach Riley has a plan where we are rebuilding our depth. Yes, I want Sarell. Yes, I want Filiaga. I want them all. We won't get them all, but, like I said, I'm just going to show patience.
Hmmm. First, some of the guys on that list are committed to other schools and have been for quite awhile. To EXPECT a flip (greater than 50% chance), is unrealistic, they would've decommitted and flipped already.
Second, who on this list has openly stated that NU is there first choice? NU appears on a list of teams being considered for these players. They all may like NU, say nice things about NU, consider NU, but it doesn't mean they are going to pick NU.
Teams like Alabama and OhSU (and a number of other teams) build up their recruiting rosters before August with players that have already decided or been convinced by the coaching staff etc where they want to go.
There was a lot of hype earlier in the season, and maybe some fans began to think we would land a disproportionate amount of big namers. Meaning we offer 10, 10 visit, we sign 10. The time to ask 10 get 10 has already passed, I would consider getting 5 of your top 10 a recruiting coup. I like to think that any player that really, really wants to come to NU, has decided NU, is already on the commit list.
Also you list "Johnson". Is that Greg, Isiah, Rahyme, or another Johnson I didn't list?
To answer your question, I don't think you and I share the same recruiting expectations. We need to land players that will fit our system, stay in the system, and contribute. I do not expect any one player by name to become a star, or to fail, it's judged on the whole class. To finish really good would be to get 2 or 3 big namers, 5 a coup, and 10 is more of a theoretical discussion. It will be bad if we are scrambling for players two weeks before signing day.
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But can YOU prove he has an offer? Until you prove you were there when he got it, nobody can be allowed to believe you.
So what YOU are saying is if he doesn't choose Michigan it is because of no offer? If that's what YOU want to go with I'm ok with that
G Holmes isn't a replacement for Lewis, the staff has wanted 5 WR from the get go...they have two, Lewis and Calvin have been longtime targets...it is the fifth they have been looking for, that had been an issue but he would be a nice fill.
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No. Just making it easier for you to claim. Since you live on an opponents board, I am making it easier for you.
Yup coming here for a few minutes every few days is living on this board...right now I'm just killing time waiting for a 7pm announcement of a 5* from FLA...so thanks for the laugh
To answer another way. I think we should be able to finish top 20 in recruiting pretty much every year, this year included. I would probably be satisfied with 21 or 22, but the higher the number the greater my discontent. Moving to better than 20 means I'll start moving to more happy.
My opinion, we should have a RB on signing day and not have holes in positions.
If it's not okay to have non contributor players on scholarship, why is okay to have recruiting non contributor on the coaching staff?
You guys need to stop living off the stars and rankings. They are completely subjective numbers made up by people that probably never even played the game. The truth is that any kid with some talent, whether it be height, length, speed, strength, etc. can parlay himself into a good player with the proper coaching and work ethic. There are maybe a handful of real deal "game-changers" every year. Maybe zero some years.
How have our "5-star players" worked out over the years? Marlon Lucky was a decent back with average speed for the position blowing up weak competition in Hollywood. Baker was a tweener probably playing out of position. It's pretty easy to point at the biggest guys and fastest guys clowning kids still going through puberty and say "that guy is a beast," but it's a whole new ballgame when you're going against guys your size and speed.
Just go back to a guy like Prince Amakumara's high school film and tell me what the difference between him as a 3-star guy was with Marlon Lucky as a 5-star. Suh was only a 4-star guy. Then you have your guys like Stewart Bradley and Janovich walking on maybe 2-stars at best. There is plenty of talent out there and the stars and rankings aren't going to capture all of it.
With that said, Lewis does seem like the real deal as a 5-star. He's the only WR we have gone after where I can look at his film and see a guy that's pulling away from defenders when he gets out in front of them. That's something we definitely need going into next year. The fact that he's also a bigger guy certainly doesn't hurt either.
How have our "5-star players" worked out over the years? Marlon Lucky was a decent back with average speed for the position blowing up weak competition in Hollywood. Baker was a tweener probably playing out of position. It's pretty easy to point at the biggest guys and fastest guys clowning kids still going through puberty and say "that guy is a beast," but it's a whole new ballgame when you're going against guys your size and speed.
Just go back to a guy like Prince Amakumara's high school film and tell me what the difference between him as a 3-star guy was with Marlon Lucky as a 5-star. Suh was only a 4-star guy. Then you have your guys like Stewart Bradley and Janovich walking on maybe 2-stars at best. There is plenty of talent out there and the stars and rankings aren't going to capture all of it.
With that said, Lewis does seem like the real deal as a 5-star. He's the only WR we have gone after where I can look at his film and see a guy that's pulling away from defenders when he gets out in front of them. That's something we definitely need going into next year. The fact that he's also a bigger guy certainly doesn't hurt either.
Fyi...Michigan just lost a staffer who has been key in Filiaga's recruitment. Tony Tuito (who is also a pacific islander) just took the Fresno State state DL job (he had been in our recruiting office)...and no 463...this does not mean we will pull his offer...just pointing out that this certainly doesnt help Michigan's chances (I.e. is possible positive news for the other finaliststs)
I'd be shocked if the departure matters, Filiaga seems enamored with Harbaugh. Nebraska has went the extra mile plus some but all signs point to UM.
I think you just make shit up as you go.
Stars matter. Look at the rosters of teams that win the national championships. They are littered with 4 and 5 star players.
If that isn't enough. The NFL Pro Bowl rosters were recently release and 37 of the 85 or so players were 4 or 5 stars coming out of high school. So keep bring up Lucky and Amukamara or Stewart Bradley. But the reality is that stars matter.
Did Harbaugh sleep over at his house? lol
What this guy said!! Bingo. I always laugh at the "stars don't matter". We haven't won our conf in 17 years. Then you get the one off story about Ameer or Prince. You can't make this stuff up. Unreal but always entertaining.
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Did you guys know that if you say "Michigan" even one time.... the mythigan poster will show up? He's kind of like the Culligan Man, except not at all.
I'm not really interested in trying to win a NC with a bunch of 3 stars. Sure, you might get lucky and sneak into a playoff position one in a great while, but then you just get blasted against real competition when it all matters most.
Reminds me of Lenny and Squiggy, every time Laverne or Shirley would say something gross, these two would walk through the door
The stars matter to people with Rivals.com or Scout.com somewhere on their business cards. It's their business to make you think the recruiting rankings and stars are legit. That's how they put food on their table. More power to them. As I said before, the rankings are entirely subjective. Nothing you said refutes that.
There are NFL TEAMS with zero 5-star players on them. I believe there was a game played between New England (I heard they are a pretty good team) and another NFL team that featured a whopping zero total 5-star players. You claim there were 37 out of 85 Pro Bowlers that were 4 or 5-stars coming out of high school...so the majority of them WERE NOT 4 or 5 stars. That is my point. You do not need ridiculous star rankings made up by a couple of dorks like us to validate your recruiting or to be happy about your recruiting. Watch the tape and decide for yourself if the kid has the potential to be worth something to your program.
By the way, I am not saying it is bad to have 5-star players, just that they have created a notion of scarcity that is impossible to judge. There is a ton of talent out there. It's not hard to slap labels on the top guys that Alabama and Ohio State want. What's the difference between Foster Sarrell and Chuck Filiaga?
Don't get caught up in the hype.
Considering that the number of 4 and 5 star players is very small, that's a very impressive number.
Math has little to nothing to do with the subjective star rankings assigned by the recruiting services.
Decent article on the subject. Does anyone have access to the recruiting data in a neatly-packaged form? Would be pretty easy to put this one to rest with that. 
http://www.footballstudyhall.com/20...-rankings-are-flawed-metrics-talent-blue-chip
http://www.footballstudyhall.com/20...-rankings-are-flawed-metrics-talent-blue-chip
You addressed nothing in my post, but I would be happy to see any "math" that you would like to show us. It shouldn't be too difficult according to you.
Says the guy that skipped right by this:
In response to this:
Here's a hint:
Obviously it is to him or he's flat out clueless on how it works.
Start from the beginning and work your way forward. Just because he has moved the goalposts doesn't mean I don't know how it "works."
Only about 10% of ranked prospects are rated 4 or 5 stars every year. Yet they made up 30% of this year's Pro Bowl team.
EDIT: I changed which quote I was responding too.
HuskerO, that's great. That is something I am aware of. At no point was I ever bringing that into question. I simply stated the rankings are subjective (not refuted) and that there is PLENTY of talent out there that you really cannot differentiate from 3-star to 4-star or 4-star to 5-star. Some guys you can see it, some guys have the speed or the size, but you cannot accurately predict what these kids are going to be at the next level. It's not hard to see a few of these guys as the cream of the crop. That's what is playing out in your Pro Bowl numbers and your title team numbers. But that is not definitive proof that the rankings are legit and that we should live or die on the difference between being in the top 25 or the top 15 of an entirely SUBJECTIVE system!
If Bill Belichick can win in the NFL with zero 5-star players, I'm pretty sure Nebraska can do the same.
Add to that there are probably 1200 to 1300 2 stars every year and even more unranked players.
I am sorry for even bring the NFL numbers into the discussion. Because in reality, those numbers only matter to the NFL teams.
Maybe we should look at just the number of highly ranked (4 and 5 stars) players that Clemson, Ohio St, and Alabama have on their rosters. Considering 2 of those 3 teams have played in every CFP, I believe that will give you an idea on what it takes to win a title. You can't go through the process trying to be the exception to the rule.
Because of course everyone has a Bill Belichick running their team. Once again the exception not the rule. There are Fortune 500 CEOs that don't have an MBA, there are billionaires without a college diploma, there are gorgeous women married to pimple faced geeks. You can win the lottery and retire, but that doesn't mean you spend your savings on powerball tickets instead of putting it in a 401K. You can find you exceptions all over.
Of course it's subjective but to a certain point. Like rating the success between the #5 ranked recruiting class and the #11 ranked recruising class.
But there's little subjective between the #5 ranked recruiting class and the #40 ranked recruiting class.
