I know there is probably a percentage of people who want a coaching change just because of the results. I think there is a percentage who want a change only because the way SF. Some want to keep MR because they still believe in him. What I don't understand is the reasoning behind keeping MR because a change could set us back. I'm really struggling with this.
Fear of coaching change
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A coaching change, especially when a big schematic change is involved will set you back. The question is if you are willing to take a step back to take several forward (if you think a change is needed). This team is returning alot of guys and could be pretty competitive next year, with this staff. We also have some big time recruits committed. Both of those things would take a hit with a coaching change. But, IMO, that is a shortsighted view. You have a make the decision that gives you the best chance, long-term as a program.
There is no guarantee that there would be any steps forward with a coaching change. It certainly hasn't panned out that way in W/L with Riley.
That's not exactly true. Did not set us back in 2008. The team was actually much better in 2008 with a new coach vs 2007, with the old coach.
The idea that switching the offense to more of a zone read vs our current Pro-Style offense wouldn't be that big of a change either. Pro-style has only be in play for one year @ NU. A lot of the team would have experience with the Zone-Read style since TA ran it last year.
Switching back to a 4-3 won't be a problem either. Again, ran the 4-3 last year.
I think fear is an overstatement but skepticism is definitely where I am. I think it is unlikely SF will be beating Ohio State, Penn State and Wisconsin — and even Iowa — with any degree of regularity. He has done a great job in a short time at UCF and as others point out they were winless the year before he arrived. However, they were also a BCS Bowl team in 2014 so except for that one horrific season UCF may not have been the dumpster fire some seem to think they were. In fact it may be a much tougher rebuild at NU especially considering the much tougher competition. I hope we arent replaying ten years ago when most posters here believed it had to be either Pelini or Gill. Ten years later, it seems neither was the best option. I’m trusting in Moos.
I'm thinking the vast majority have moved past their initial reaction to the beginning of the season. Whether someone thought it has to get better or it's gonna get worse, it seems like most of the emotion has cooled off.
Like most fans, I don't get to see what's in play, who's interested, what conditions are out there. I just have to hope that whatever we do is best for the program moving forward.
Like most fans, I don't get to see what's in play, who's interested, what conditions are out there. I just have to hope that whatever we do is best for the program moving forward.
Some of us don't like seeing people get canned by people with unrealistic expectations. Now IF he can't post a winning season this year, then I don't see how he keeps his job. Some of us realize after watching Husker football for half a decade that things don't always go the way you want every year. 2.5 years considering what a mess the roster was and a complete change now in both offensive and defensive philosophies is not a long time. JMHO. BUT, if we fire Riley to maybe have a coach at NU for the next 25 years, so be it. I trust Moos and Green to do what's best for the University. IF it's keep Riley, great. If It's something different, fine.
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What if ADSE had hired a coach that ran the same or similar offense that was winning 9 games a year already. Hiring a coach that was going to bring in a whole new offense with it's set backs was an issue.
Does this apply to hiring Frost because "what if" he goes to Tennessee and wins titles? Asking for a friend
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Sure it was and so will hiring a new coach who runs a spread. That's one of the reasons some of us are hesitant to start all over again IF we don't have to.
If you think Frost is the best man for the job than you go get him don't worry about Tennessee.
Then how about...we've proven 3, possibly 4, times, in a row that we don't know how to hire a great football coach.
Not having a losing season. Is an unrealistic expectation? If being competitive is an unrealistic expectation then NU football is dead. And there would be no point to any of this.
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Moos will be making the hire if he chooses. The hiring of Callahan, Pelini or Riley will have no bearing on his decision.
You can't play the "what if" game cuz you'll always be chasing your tail.
I've been all over the place on this. I would love to see Riley go 4-1 and look good doing it, and come back next year. But if it becomes obvious he doesn't have the tools for it as the season progresses I wouldn't be afraid of a change. Riley admitted just the other day this year is similar to a first year rebuild so a first year rebuild by a new coach next year wouldn't set us back further than we are now. In theory.
And those three were all hired by different AD's. So again I say it a different way...the university hasn't proved it can make a great hire.
I personally think he needs more time but I’m a fan of the University of Nebraska and will support who ever our coach is. I supported Bo until the end and will do the same with our current staff. I don’t feel personally comfortable calling for another man’s job when I couldn’t do any better.
Guess that just means I’m not as much of a fan as some of y’all! Go Big Red!
Guess that just means I’m not as much of a fan as some of y’all! Go Big Red!
Is there really a fear from sane people that there will be worse results on the field if a change is made? Goodness...
Coaches that would likely get better results(on-the-field...anyone who cares about anything else is a bigger Riley fan than Nebraska fan) than Riley:
9 coaches out of the ACC
3 coaches out of the AAC
7 coaches out of the Big12
6 coaches out of the Big10
1 independent coach
2 coaches out of the Mountain West
5 coaches out of the Pac10
9 coaches out of the SEC
Seriously, that is 42 coaches...and that doesn't even include coordinators or NFL people. I know this recruiting class of 7 will probably make or break the entire program for the entire forseeable future, and the next coach will surely lose all of them, but c'mon man. This is a no-brainer folks.
9 coaches out of the ACC
3 coaches out of the AAC
7 coaches out of the Big12
6 coaches out of the Big10
1 independent coach
2 coaches out of the Mountain West
5 coaches out of the Pac10
9 coaches out of the SEC
Seriously, that is 42 coaches...and that doesn't even include coordinators or NFL people. I know this recruiting class of 7 will probably make or break the entire program for the entire forseeable future, and the next coach will surely lose all of them, but c'mon man. This is a no-brainer folks.
Same OC in 07 and 08 with no offensive scheme change...TO saw to that when he hired Bo
Are you serious? Who in the hell would run the zone read at QB if we switched? Gebbia??
We don't have a TA on the roster to run a zone read unless you count to JC walk on QB.
Screwed us over in 09 though. With even an average offense that year, we're easily a top 10 team.
I agree...only pointing out to that poster that there was not an offensive change as they had mentioned...really didn't start changing much until '10
I personally want to keep Riley, but for none of the reasons above. If you look at our current situation and take all parties at their word/history/value (i.e. SF, Moos, and Riley), I think one more year for Riley to prove himself would be the right decision.
First off, if you believe SF and everything he has said, then he is in no hurry to leave UCF. He has a good thing going, is working on getting his staff raises, and enjoys the location. This year his team is already quite good, and next year they have a chance to be better because they return most players. Also if you take his friends' words, NU is his dream job and money isn't a 'huge' factor. So if there wasn't an opening this year, he could position himself to stay at UCF for a year and see how this next year with Riley turns out.
Next if you take Moos at his word, after reading his round table with the media, he hasn't really evaluated Riley all that much to this point. I know that isn't probably completely accurate, but then again he was at WSU just weeks ago focusing on their athletics, and we had a bye week this past week where he wasn't able to see Riley coach/interact with the team. That makes it seem like he needs time to properly evaluate where Riley is at and if he thinks he can get it done. So no I do not believe Riley is already on his way out. I think Moos wants to give him a proper chance to either prove himself or bury himself.
Finally, there is Riley. I give him no leniency for his underwhelming initial hires or his decision to not immediately implement his style of offense or 3-4 defense (although Diaco wasn't available at the beginning of his tenure). However, I think all coaches should be basically given 4 years to prove themselves, especially when they were brought in knowing that a change of scheme was going to happen and there would be a transitional period. We should have already been through that transition, but he made some changes and set that timeline back. However, IMO he should still get that 4th year to see if he can get that timeline back on track. He would have a senior qb (think Zac Taylor first year to second year) who seems to be showing some growth, and a more experienced offense and defense all around. He would have a tough schedule, which I think would be perfect because we could truly see how well or bad the team is. Then, if he fails, bring in a new coach (SF or otherwise), and let a new era begin. But I think there is such a premature reaction going on because of how much people want to circle jerk around SF because of his good start at UCF and that fact that he is a former Husker that they are letting it cloud any real judgement. MSU and ND both had terrible years last year. Both are doing great this year. But kept their coaches for at least one more year, and I bet most fans of those schools are happy with that decision. PSU was close to firing James Franklin before things just clicked with his team. And now they have a shot at a NC. So for me this has nothing to do with fear, it has to do with giving the head coach a fair shot at the job he was offered, whether or not you think that was right or wrong in the first place.
There are some good points here. However one thing is lost in this entire post. How extremely bad this team has looked for 2 1/2 years. The wins have been moderate to ugly and the loses have been even uglier. Its the entirety of the work that makes the rational person question whether Riley could ever get us to where we want and even more importantly consistently stay there. Keeping a coaching staff that is failing this bad because of what a potential coaching candidate might be saying, or what the AD is expressing publically and for what the present coach is saying is really bad business. You need to look at the body of works and not just "coach talk". Just my opinion.
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