Ed Chang

[Harry Caray]

Its funny how Iowa took an unranked player by Rivals (just like Daum) from their state in Peter Jok, and developed him into a 1st team all state player this season. Strange how programs with basketball history can take 'projects' and turn them into good players, but Nebraska under Miles has taken players with other D1 offers from bigger and better programs than Nebraska, and turn them into 'projects'.

Jok was considered a Top 5 recruit nationally in his class early in his high school career, before tearing up his knee. He likely have went to KU if that hadn't happened. He still was named Mr. Basketball in Iowa and shot 42% from 3-point range as a senior in high school despite being far from 100%. He was never a project in terms of skills, it was a matter of waiting for him to rehab his knee back to 100%.

The funny thing about Daum is that Miles built CSU into a tournament team by recruiting a bunch of no-name Nebraska kids like him and developing them. I would not have had a problem with taking a chance on a project like Daum a couple years ago because 1) Miles ended up not filling scholarships in that class anyway and 2) We were hurting for size inside and Daum was bigger than anyone on our roster at the time. Whereas with Chang, we will not have many scholarships to work with, and he doesn't bring any skills that Roby, Horne, and Akenten don't already. I thought that was the reason that Miles dropped Aguek Arop, who I think is a better overall basketball player than Chang.

I do think that if Daum had played high school in Omaha, and/or played on a major AAU team, he would have had quite a few D-I offers. But he didn't get any exposure being out in the Nebraska panhandle. Same goes for Wingett, he'd probably be a Top 150 recruit if he played against high-level competition. I've watched him for years and don't know many 6'8 kids in high school that have the ball-handling skills, shooting form, and wingspan that he does. How are smaller schools like SDSU and USD not all over him?

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Why did creyton not offer him?

No clue. Assuming that they didn't think he was good enough to play in the Big East at the time he graduated high school.

 

[dinglefritz]

Jok was considered a Top 5 recruit nationally in his class early in his high school career, before tearing up his knee. He likely have went to KU if that hadn't happened. He still was named Mr. Basketball in Iowa and shot 42% from 3-point range as a senior in high school despite being far from 100%. He was never a project in terms of skills, it was a matter of waiting for him to rehab his knee back to 100%.

The funny thing about Daum is that Miles built CSU into a tournament team by recruiting a bunch of no-name Nebraska kids like him and developing them. I would not have had a problem with taking a chance on a project like Daum a couple years ago because 1) Miles ended up not filling scholarships in that class anyway and 2) We were hurting for size inside and Daum was bigger than anyone on our roster at the time. Whereas with Chang, we will not have many scholarships to work with, and he doesn't bring any skills that Roby, Horne, and Akenten don't already. I thought that was the reason that Miles dropped Aguek Arop, who I think is a better overall basketball player than Chang.

I do think that if Daum had played high school in Omaha, and/or played on a major AAU team, he would have had quite a few D-I offers. But he didn't get any exposure being out in the Nebraska panhandle. Same goes for Wingett, he'd probably be a Top 150 recruit if he played against high-level competition. I've watched him for years and don't know many 6'8 kids in high school that have the ball-handling skills, shooting form, and wingspan that he does. How are smaller schools like SDSU and USD not all over him?

Let's just stop with the Daum hype. He originally had a Wyoming offer and they pulled it during his senior year. He went to SDSU and they thought they had wasted a scholarship. He redshirted and things really didn't click until YEAR 3 in their program. People need to quit bashing Miles for not offering Daum. There is NO WAY in hell he looked like a D-1 recruit coming out of high school and we needed guys that could play right away. Creighton passed. Wyoming passed. CSU passed. All of those schools didn't want him and NU was supposed to offer him? Gimme a break.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Let's just stop with the Daum hype. He originally had a Wyoming offer and they pulled it during his senior year. He went to SDSU and they thought they had wasted a scholarship. He redshirted and things really didn't click until YEAR 3 in their program. People need to quit bashing Miles for not offering Daum. There is NO WAY in hell he looked like a D-1 recruit coming out of high school and we needed guys that could play right away. Creighton passed. Wyoming passed. CSU passed. All of those schools didn't want him and NU was supposed to offer him? Gimme a break.

Year three? No. We needed guys who could play right away yet we signed Tarin Smith and Hammond. I don't blame Miles for not offering him. But, I do blame him for whiffing on Khyri Thomas and Patton.

 

[dinglefritz]

Year three? No. We needed guys who could play right away yet we signed Tarin Smith and Hammond. I don't blame Miles for not offering him. But, I do blame him for whiffing on Khyri Thomas and Patton.

Daum's parents were both scholarship athletes at Wyoming and they passed on him. His first two years at SDSU, he looked like a total bust. Hammond looked like a much better project coming out of high school as a post player and Tarin Smith had some game. Hindsight, we got the wrong guys but Creighton being in Omaha IMO is more attractive for some kids not to mention their history of getting in the tournament..

 

[Harry Caray]

Daum's parents were both scholarship athletes at Wyoming and they passed on him. His first two years at SDSU, he looked like a total bust.

He was a freshman All-American his second year at SDSU

 

[dinglefritz]

He was a freshman All-American his second year at SDSU

You are correct. I was told by a friend of his family that it was year 3 when things clicked for him.

 

[schuele]

You are correct. I was told by a friend of his family that it was year 3 when things clicked for him.

Family friend must follow his career really closely, if he missed that Daum was Summit League Freshman of the Year last season and led SDSU in scoring and rebounding. But thanks for the inside scoop.

Like I said before I can definitely understand how Miles missed on Daum. But none of the hindsight that says he should be at NU is as wildly off the mark as that hot take about him being a two-year bust.

 

[dinglefritz]

Family friend must follow his career really closely, if he missed that Daum was Summit League Freshman of the Year last season and led SDSU in scoring and rebounding. But thanks for the inside scoop.

Like I said before I can definitely understand how Miles missed on Daum. But none of the hindsight that says he should be at NU is as wildly off the mark as that hot take about him being a two-year bust.

Well to be fair we were a "couple" of drinks in to our conversation so I may have heard or remembered incorrectly. The point was that somebody that knows the family and roots for the kid said that he did not look like a great prospect coming out of high school.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Daum's parents were both scholarship athletes at Wyoming and they passed on him. His first two years at SDSU, he looked like a total bust. Hammond looked like a much better project coming out of high school as a post player and Tarin Smith had some game. Hindsight, we got the wrong guys but Creighton being in Omaha IMO is more attractive for some kids not to mention their history of getting in the tournament..

They will always be more attractive if you don't recruit the kids. This was at the time when we were leaving no stone unturned trying to find a big man and all the while there was a first round draft pick in our backyard. Maybe this is why one coach is currently game planning for his March Madness opponent and the other is licking his wounds from going 12-19.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

They will always be more attractive if you don't recruit the kids. This was at the time when we were leaving no stone unturned trying to find a big man and all the while there was a first round draft pick in our backyard. Maybe this is why one coach is currently game planning for his March Madness opponent and the other is licking his wounds from going 12-19.

Just to be clear, the 1st round pick you are referring to is Patton, correct? Not Daum. The thread is sort of getting a little convoluted considering the title is about a high school junior named Chang, who clearly isn't a 1st round pick, at this time.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Just to be clear, the 1st round pick you are referring to is Patton, correct? Not Daum. The thread is sort of getting a little convoluted considering the title is about a high school junior named Chang, who clearly isn't a 1st round pick, at this time.

Correct. I'm not even sure if Daum gets drafted. Great college player...but, not sure how well his game translates to the pros.

 

[Harry Caray]

I find it hard to believe Daum was that bad in high school - he led the state in scoring, rebounding, and blocked shots per game as a senior. Yes, he didn't play against the best competition - but remember Wes Eikmeier? He played Class C-2 ball in Nebraska for Fremont Bergan, and later became the leading scorer on Miles' CSU team that made the NCAA tournament. Three other Nebraska kids nobody else recruited were also in the Top 6 rotation for that team. Supposedly, Miles' M.O. at CSU was to find diamonds in the rough from this state and develop them. Yet when we were desperately looking for post players and had an extra scholarship, he didn't give a chance to the leading scorer and rebounder in the state? I could see if he was undersized, but 6'9, 250# kids who can shoot don't grow on trees.

It sounds to me like the issue when he arrived at SDSU was that he was not in the physical shape needed to compete at that level, and had to go against Cody Larson in practice every day which made him look bad I'm sure. It showed him how much he needed to hit the weights and transform his body. Skills like he has don't just develop in one year. He once hit 12 three-pointers in an AAU game, which is why SDSU offered him in the first place.

 

[schuele]

The point was that somebody that knows the family and roots for the kid said that he did not look like a great prospect coming out of high school.

Yes and this is a point on which I can definitely agree, because for every Bruce Chubick who's been really good for the Huskers, there's a Jason Glock, Chad Ideus and John Matzke who didn't really belong on a major conference basketball team. But the notion that Daum somehow took a long time to show promise at SDSU is utter nonsense. He was arguably SDSU's best player from the moment he stepped on the court for real as a redshirt freshman, and yet "his first two years he looked a total bust"?

 

[PeliniTheCrutch]

Yes and this is a point on which I can definitely agree, because for every Bruce Chubick who's been really good for the Huskers, there's a Jason Glock, Chad Ideus and John Matzke who didn't really belong on a major conference basketball team. But the notion that Daum somehow took a long time to show promise at SDSU is utter nonsense. He was arguably SDSU's best player from the moment he stepped on the court for real as a redshirt freshman, and yet "his first two years he looked a total bust"?

Serious question because I do not know. Did Nebraska use all their scholarships this year?

 

[sparky62]

Serious question because I do not know. Did Nebraska use all their scholarships this year?

IIRC yes but now we have 2 open spots.

 

[tro80]

Patton was never going to UNL over Creighton. he grew up going to Creighton games and dreaming of playing at Creighton. So, whether Miles offered or not is pretty irrelevant.

 

[QQ_CEO]

Why did creyton not offer him?

I don't follow Creyton enough to know why they weren't interested. Perhaps they had his spot filled, or perhaps they felt he didn't fit in to their style of play. Who knows. Since they are better coached and consistently recruit better basketball players, they can afford to miss out on the occasional in-state stud. NU can't.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Patton was never going to UNL over Creighton. he grew up going to Creighton games and dreaming of playing at Creighton. So, whether Miles offered or not is pretty irrelevant.

Majority of the prospects we offer were never going to come here. Not irrelevant at all...we had a first rounder in our backyard at a position Miles has REALLY struggled to recruit to and he doesn't even recruit him. Face it, Miles failed on that one.

 

[wreckitralph]

I find it hard to believe Daum was that bad in high school - he led the state in scoring, rebounding, and blocked shots per game as a senior. Yes, he didn't play against the best competition - but remember Wes Eikmeier? He played Class C-2 ball in Nebraska for Fremont Bergan, and later became the leading scorer on Miles' CSU team that made the NCAA tournament. Three other Nebraska kids nobody else recruited were also in the Top 6 rotation for that team. Supposedly, Miles' M.O. at CSU was to find diamonds in the rough from this state and develop them. Yet when we were desperately looking for post players and had an extra scholarship, he didn't give a chance to the leading scorer and rebounder in the state? I could see if he was undersized, but 6'9, 250# kids who can shoot don't grow on trees.

It sounds to me like the issue when he arrived at SDSU was that he was not in the physical shape needed to compete at that level, and had to go against Cody Larson in practice every day which made him look bad I'm sure. It showed him how much he needed to hit the weights and transform his body. Skills like he has don't just develop in one year. He once hit 12 three-pointers in an AAU game, which is why SDSU offered him in the first place.

Bergan was D-1, at least when wes was a senior.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

I don't follow Creyton enough to know why they weren't interested. Perhaps they had his spot filled, or perhaps they felt he didn't fit in to their style of play. Who knows. Since they are better coached and consistently recruit better basketball players, they can afford to miss out on the occasional in-state stud. NU can't.

If he was such a lock, where were the power 5 offers. He must have been super-state and Gatorade player of the year...

 

[Dean Pope]

Yeah. Daum had so many offers from the D1 schools in-state. Miles was the only one who didn't, right?
Daum was so acclaimed that he was 1st team super state... oh wait.

Really what it comes down to is having an eye for talent and finding kids that fit your system. To me, seeing how well Pitchford played during his first season under Miles, Daum would be a kid I would look very hard at. I liked Andrew Drevo back in the day. Same type of deal there, except in my opinion Daum was/is better.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Well to be fair we were a "couple" of drinks in to our conversation so I may have heard or remembered incorrectly. The point was that somebody that knows the family and roots for the kid said that he did not look like a great prospect coming out of high school.

Sounds like you need new buddies. Daum was not ever a bust.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Sounds like you need new buddies. Daum was not ever a bust.

Must be why so many posters were always talking about him, pushing that he had to be at Nebraska. It was like clockwork here, almost every post was about Daum his Senior year.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Must be why so many posters were always talking about him, pushing that he had to be at Nebraska. It was like clockwork here, almost every post was about Daum his Senior year.

I wasn't here so I don't know what the posts were about his senior year, but I do know he redshirted at SDSU. Typically that is either to put weight on a skinny kid or develop the player that isn't quite ready. Obviously the redshirt year helped because he was pretty good last year and this year.

Now I don't want to piss off all the Daumette's on the board, but look at SDSU's regular season record Daum's freshman year, his redshirt freshman year, then his sophomore year. Looks to me like there may have been some other players that contributed to the success who have since moved on. Not taking anything away from the kid, just saying there were other players that may have been the focal point of the opponents last year.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Must be why so many posters were always talking about him, pushing that he had to be at Nebraska. It was like clockwork here, almost every post was about Daum his Senior year.

Calm down 463. Youre like a child tugging at the adults' pants legs while they are having a conversation. We heard you the first time, seriously youve made your point. Since i have to slow it down for you, my post was in response to someone saying he was a bust which he obviously wasnt.
Now go color in the corner at the kids table.

 

[dinglefritz]

t "his first two years he looked a total bust"?

I just said that I posted that either my friend misspoke or that I misunderstood. Miles looked at him and passed and so did every other D-1 program in the country other than SDSU. As far as him being the best player on the floor for SDSU the minute he stepped on the floor, I think they had a guard his freshman year that was a senior and a pretty darned good player.

Sounds like you need new buddies. Daum was not ever a bust.

HIS REDSHIRT year, the SDSU coaches thought they had wasted a scholarship. From their mouths not mine.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

You know it's the off season when a thread like this gets two pages...and counting.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Calm down 463. Youre like a child tugging at the adults' pants legs while they are having a conversation. We heard you the first time, seriously youve made your point. Since i have to slow it down for you, my post was in response to someone saying he was a bust which he obviously wasnt.
Now go color in the corner at the kids table.

Wow. It is clear you cannot handle it being pointed out how wrong you are. No matter how many times you and your ill-informed bretheren try and repeat the same tired crap, it is easy to shut down your stupidity.
It really must suck to get pointed out how wrong you constantly are, as evidenced by your anger and frustration.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Wow. It is clear you cannot handle it being pointed out how wrong you are. No matter how many times you and your ill-informed bretheren try and repeat the same tired crap, it is easy to shut down your stupidity.
It really must suck to get pointed out how wrong you constantly are, as evidenced by your anger and frustration.

Oh child, youre really grasping here sorry your skin is so thin....
A reach, even for you. Finish your hot dog and maybe you can have a cookie.
And just what is it exactly that I was wrong about? Because Im pretty sure Daum wasnt a bust as he was one of the best players if not the best player on his team as a rsf....unless thats considered a bust

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Oh child, youre really grasping here sorry your skin is so thin....
A reach, even for you. Finish your hot dog and maybe you can have a cookie.
And just what is it exactly that I was wrong about? Because Im pretty sure Daum wasnt a bust as he was one of the best players if not the best player on his team as a rsf....unless thats considered a bust

Where did I say he was a bust?

 

[huskerfan1414]

Where did I say he was a bust?

Your post quoting me above said i cant handle being pointed out as wrong. The previous post you qouted was my only post in this thread which was about how he was not a bust. So if you agree that hes not a bust, when was I wrong?
Nothing Ive said is wrong. Hes not a bust. Fact.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Your post quoting me above said i cant handle being pointed out as wrong. The previous post you qouted was my only post in this thread which was about how he was not a bust. So if you agree that hes not a bust, when was I wrong?
Nothing Ive said is wrong. Hes not a bust. Fact.

The conversation was about his prospects coming out of high school. YOU brought up the bust thing. Try and follow along. There was a point that he redshirted his 1st year at SDSU. He is a good shooting late bloomer. I am simply correctly pointing out that he was not some obvious "miss".

 

[huskerfan1414]

The conversation was about his prospects coming out of high school. YOU brought up the bust thing. Try and follow along. There was a point that he redshirted his 1st year at SDSU. He is a good shooting late bloomer. I am simply correctly pointing out that he was not some obvious "miss".

...i never said he was a miss...and dingle brought up that he was a bust which he obviously was not...and i replied to him before you started replying to me..sooo...wtf am i wrong about?
You need to re read the thread and notice that i never said he was a miss, so i still dont know what im supposedly wrong about.
I guess I should be more patient with children...

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Get a room.

 

[Charlie Marlow]

HIS REDSHIRT year, the SDSU coaches thought they had wasted a scholarship. From their mouths not mine.

Link?

 

[coach00036]

Link?

http://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...-daum-went-from-off-the-map-to-on-nba-radars/

 

[Dean Pope]

Jok was considered a Top 5 recruit nationally in his class early in his high school career, before tearing up his knee. He likely have went to KU if that hadn't happened. He still was named Mr. Basketball in Iowa and shot 42% from 3-point range as a senior in high school despite being far from 100%. He was never a project in terms of skills, it was a matter of waiting for him to rehab his knee back to 100%.

The funny thing about Daum is that Miles built CSU into a tournament team by recruiting a bunch of no-name Nebraska kids like him and developing them. I would not have had a problem with taking a chance on a project like Daum a couple years ago because 1) Miles ended up not filling scholarships in that class anyway and 2) We were hurting for size inside and Daum was bigger than anyone on our roster at the time. Whereas with Chang, we will not have many scholarships to work with, and he doesn't bring any skills that Roby, Horne, and Akenten don't already. I thought that was the reason that Miles dropped Aguek Arop, who I think is a better overall basketball player than Chang.

I do think that if Daum had played high school in Omaha, and/or played on a major AAU team, he would have had quite a few D-I offers. But he didn't get any exposure being out in the Nebraska panhandle. Same goes for Wingett, he'd probably be a Top 150 recruit if he played against high-level competition. I've watched him for years and don't know many 6'8 kids in high school that have the ball-handling skills, shooting form, and wingspan that he does. How are smaller schools like SDSU and USD not all over him?

Wingett's issue is eligibilty.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

20/20 hindsight and revisionist history strike yet again.