I agree. Wasn't Russell Wilson named backup at NC State before he transferred? A change of scenery is just what he needed.
Does Tanner Lee have the goods?
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I agree. Wasn't Russell Wilson named backup at NC State before he transferred? A change of scenery is just what he needed.
I know/work with three guys from New Orleans who are Tulane grads and season ticket holders. The one I talk to most often was somewhat incredulous when I told him that Lee was getting glowing reviews from his practice work. He kind of said "Big arm, but you better be able to protect him because he can't move". Which, I gotta admit, didn't fill me with confidence. I'd love a qb who can read coverage and hit the open receiver, but he's going to need a little protection.
Some have suggested he can move around a bit. The videos in this thread showed at least one clip where he ran to get positive yards. He also moved well in the pocket.
But beyond that, guess we'll have to wait and see.
Yeah, I just watched the videos and I'll admit I should shut up. The videos contradict what I was told. I would think a year in our s&c program will only make him even better at picking up those first downs with his feet. I look forward to seeing what he can do.
But then again the videos make Tulane look like a decent team, so who knows?
But then again the videos make Tulane look like a decent team, so who knows?
Please don't, we need as many active posters as possible. This place is kind of getting stale. If you're told anything else, share it. Or, offer your opinion.
Had Taylor Martinez not been hurt in the Missouri game he may have been talked about as one of the all time greats. He was hurt, and we had no back up.
Tommie was hurt, and we had a back up, and that allowed us to win a National Championship.
The Quarterbacks we have had are not the problem the last 15 years the back ups are.
Sam Keller was touted by some as a number 1 draft pick, we saw where that went.
The same hype is following Tanner Lee. I hope it is true.
We need a real offenensive line. They need to be offensive and then the rest follows.
I have little trust in the hype I hear on Tanner Lee, I want an offensive line first.
Tommie was hurt, and we had a back up, and that allowed us to win a National Championship.
The Quarterbacks we have had are not the problem the last 15 years the back ups are.
Sam Keller was touted by some as a number 1 draft pick, we saw where that went.
The same hype is following Tanner Lee. I hope it is true.
We need a real offenensive line. They need to be offensive and then the rest follows.
I have little trust in the hype I hear on Tanner Lee, I want an offensive line first.
I think you are on to something here but just miss the mark a little bit. The fact is, neither Martinez nor Armstrong were good enough passers to get us to championship level football. Teams could load up against our running game and force those two to win games throwing the ball. And against good defenses in our bigger games that was a recipe for humiliation. So we HAVE had a talent deficit at the QB position for a long time.
But you are correct about our lack of good backups I think. We have lacked depth at that position due to Pelini's wretched recruiting for QB's. He had numerous recruiting mistakes at that position and it is still costing us. Few starting QB's can get through an entire season without getting dinged up. So you are correct that our lack of depth there has cost us games.
But look what Riley has done in just two years of recruiting: POB, Lee, Gebbia. And regardless of what Lee's skill set turns out to be I would wager good money it is better than EVERY QB Bo brought here.
Yes, we need an offensive line. I think there is talent there. Next year will see a big improvement
I think he had won some honors ; but when a new coach was hired at semester, he was told in the new system he would be demoted in spring ball and could count on lack of opportunity. Basically Russel told them the briefcase he carried around wasn't for show and he had graduated and was eligible to transfer -
GOODBYE
. HIS TROPHYS look nice.We haven't had a championship defense since 2010.
Had Martinez been healthy we win the conference......Our Qbs were good enough to win championships. ..our defenses have sucked..have you not seen Wisconsin QBS since Russell Wilson yet they still keep winning.
Or did we forget the piss performance of our defense in the 2012 championship game.
I just don't get our fans.....it's like we refuse to see what's right in our face...trickles up to our football program.
Had Martinez been healthy we win the conference......Our Qbs were good enough to win championships. ..our defenses have sucked..have you not seen Wisconsin QBS since Russell Wilson yet they still keep winning.
Or did we forget the piss performance of our defense in the 2012 championship game.
I just don't get our fans.....it's like we refuse to see what's right in our face...trickles up to our football program.
I love this, @Pennsyhusker. It's why I've never understood the fans that are obsessed with "Dual Threat" QBs. Unless you sign Deshaun Watson or JT Barrett, "Dual Threat" means runner and mediocre passer. I'd rather have a throw first guy. It seems about 1% of Dual Threat guys actually turn out to be that.
What I notice in these clips is that he CLIMBS THE POCKET. If I could have waved a wand and given Tommy one gift as a passer, it would be the ability to step UP in the pocket when he's getting pressured around the ends. Some good ones where Lee climbs into the pocket and powers the ball downfield.
Depends on what kind of offense you put them in. Frazier and Frost certainly weren't prolific passers, but they also were never asked to make 35-40 throws a game.
I'll go to my grave believing Armstrong would have been something special in Osborne's offense.
It's all good timnsun. It's okay in my book for fans to be excited about potential future starters.
Just please, please don't compare him to Russell Wilson. Wilson had a string of over 300 pass attempts without an interception, was named 1st team conference, all before he graduate transferred because baseball was getting in the way of football.
No worries, I won't. The only comparison that would fit there is getting better from first site to second site and we won't know that til Lee plays.
Edit: although I think an additional reason for his transfer was a change in coaching staff to a different offense... so in that regard there are similarities as well.
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Have heard first hand several times from one of our starting offensive lineman that he is the real deal. Not just a good QB, but a great leader as well. I am excited.
I have said since day 1 of the Riley reign that it doesn't matter what offense Nebraska runs the team will not compete for championships until the defense is a top 15-20 unit in the country.
You have to be able to stop teams when you need to not simply slow them down.
When you look at the championship games and the CFP playoff games over the last 5 or 6 years, the team with the better defense won the titles.
Auburn over Oregon
Alabama over LSU (close)
Alabama over Norte Dame
FSU over Auburn
Ohio St over Oregon
Alabama over Clemson
Now many of those games were high scoring. But there were several types of offenses schemes, no one type of offense dominated. But every one of those teams had solid defenses, capable of getting stops against elite offenses.
I was not one to think Tommy would have flourished in that O. I just never thought he had a feel for the option game in reading the LOS and understanding option football. But then I watched Barringer in high school and he wasn't an option QB and he picked it up. Tom may have been the ultimate teacher.
His inability to read defenses, which was an extreme priority in Osborne offense, tells me he wouldn't of stepped foot on the field. Heck, I doubt Osborne would've recruited him in the first place
I guess the one question I have is in regards to his interceptions... those don't show up in these clips.
Are they throws that leave you scratching your head, a la TA? We do need to protect the ball as well and I would love to hear from some in the know that his ints at Tulane were not stupid throws...
Are they throws that leave you scratching your head, a la TA? We do need to protect the ball as well and I would love to hear from some in the know that his ints at Tulane were not stupid throws...
My opinion on Lee is that, even if he's not a super star, he should probably be "good enough" to compete.
TA was a ~55-57% passer a lot of times against the gimme games. He dropped down to what, low thirties against decent conference foes?
I'd take Lee protecting the football and throwing for ~57% against Iowa instead of this YOLO for 30% business against any team with a pulse.
TA was a ~55-57% passer a lot of times against the gimme games. He dropped down to what, low thirties against decent conference foes?
I'd take Lee protecting the football and throwing for ~57% against Iowa instead of this YOLO for 30% business against any team with a pulse.
The problem with that theory is that he would had to have been surrounded with Osborne era talent for starters and he would still be subpar as a passer. People act as though he is being asked to be Peyton Manning in his prime. His inability to ever settle down and read coverages and find the open man are why drives stalled out. Something his backup was a slight bit better at.
Nebraska needs a massive infusion of talent at QB but it just requires someone who makes smart plays with the football based on the game situation. Losing a game because you throw up a YOLO bomb on fourth down is a perfect example of a guy who lost his team.
I don't know Beav. I actually don't think he would've done well at all in that O. Do I think Tom could have coached him up? For sure. But TA hasn't shown me enough to convince me that he can read the defense correctly, or make a quick enough decision. Didn't Osborne's offense actually hate more moving pieces than this one?
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Okay timnsun, I have a lot of work today, but you're forcing me to look on the dang internet.
Plus, I've made a half dozen posts today and I've been wrong at least twice.I couldn't remember the exact details, but here's an article. One of my former coworkers was/is a huge Russell Wilson fan, Wilson was into minor league baseball and it created a ruffle. So, please no more Russell Wilson (and ya, I know you didn't start the Wilson thing).
TL is 2 years older and may fit better into a Langsdorf system, and I have to get back to work.
Well shoot! Guess I didn't remember correctly what led to Wilson's transfer... Sorry to take you away from your work!Okay timnsun, I have a lot of work today, but you're forcing me to look on the dang internet.
I couldn't remember the exact details, but here's an article. One of my former coworkers was/is a huge Russell Wilson fan, Wilson was into minor league baseball and it created a ruffle. So, please no more Russell Wilson (and ya, I know you didn't start the Wilson thing).
TL is 2 years older and may fit better into a Langsdorf system, and I have to get back to work.
Thanks for clearing this up for me. Back to work for both of us!
Lee has way more arm talent than Keller and doesn't have the side distractions. On top of that, Lee is actually well liked by his teammates. He may not turn out to be great but he's a body we badly needed going in to this year. We also could use a grad transfer to help us out. ND's Zaire is looking for a spot and would be a good fit to run our read option based stuff.
No idea but our QB room even with Gebbia is woefully empty. At the very least I would hope they go out and find the best looking walk on they can find to add some depth. We need another guy for practice purposes if nothing else. I guess Darlington is staying at QB but a walk on would still be helpful.
I heard an interview with Nate Gerry someone posted on here in a different thread. Gerry was VERY upbeat about Lee. He said Husker fans are going to be amazed next year at just how good he is.
The praise is effusive. Go to the 21 min mark
https://www.ottoradio.com/podcast/s...-7-nathan-gerry-nebraska-football-player-2132
He's not running option any more but when he was, he usually was making the right decision in terms of pitch, keep, and where to cut. He's a very instinctive runner IMO. I don't think T.O.'s offense had a lot of situations where it was drop back and make 3 passing reads.
Hard to know on zone read when it's a true read or when it's a called handoff.
I think Armstrong would have done ok in Osborne's offense, but nothing more. We should remember that there were years when Osborne had very average quarterbacks like Armstrong. McCathorn Clayton, Jeff Quinn, Craig Sundberg, Travis Turner, and Mike Grant are just those I remember off the top of my head. There were probably others as well.
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