Does losing at historical levels reflect the values of NU fans?
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I'll be the first to acknowledge that this year's team was more fun to watch and was the first NU team under Hoiberg that played up to, and sometimes above, its talent level.
But please don't ask me to slobber on a guy who finally did some coaching halfway through the fourth season of his $4 mil/year job.
But please don't ask me to slobber on a guy who finally did some coaching halfway through the fourth season of his $4 mil/year job.
At this point I thought we'd be a top 25 team that won a tourney game or 2. Boy was I wrong. Tourney or bust for Fred this year.
Losing at historical levels? A program that has an all time record of 1525-1417(.520), has not won a conference championship since 1950, did not make the NCAA tournament until 1986, has only been to the tournament 7 times, and is the only team from a major conference to never win a tournament game. A program that’s winningest coach has a record of 254-190(.572), a conference record of 88-116(.431). You mean that kind of historical losing?
What has been going on with our football program the last 8 years, that is losing at historical levels. A program that was at one time in the top five winningest programs of all time, had 40 winning seasons in a row, made a bowl game 35 seasons in a row, had 33 seasons in a row with at least 9 wins.
What has been going on with our football program the last 8 years, that is losing at historical levels. A program that was at one time in the top five winningest programs of all time, had 40 winning seasons in a row, made a bowl game 35 seasons in a row, had 33 seasons in a row with at least 9 wins.
Fred’s winning percentage at NU is .325 (.228 in conf)
After taking over for a coach who had a .504 win percentage a top 5 conference finish and an NCAA tourney bid when it was decided that wasn’t good enough
You have to go back 60 years to find a coach at NU who won 10 or fewer games in 3 consecutive seasons before Fred (and they played a lot fewer games back them)
Fred’s 4 year tenure at Nebraska has been amongst the worst in the history of the program and most certainly the worst in the modern era .. so yes Fred is losing at an historical level even at at a program that is historically bad … but that is good enough for our athletic department
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Had Trev not been worried about this crazy "clean image" he would have canned Fred and hired Chris Beard.
NU would have been in the dance next year. Instead...Ole Miss will be in and will now be top 3/4 in the SEC
A coach like that, on the market at that time...dream come true.
NU would have been in the dance next year. Instead...Ole Miss will be in and will now be top 3/4 in the SEC
A coach like that, on the market at that time...dream come true.
Losing two starters for the season by the 20th game hurt the wins and losses for the men. It definitely cost a few to five wins or so. I think we would have made the tournament. But you will never know for sure. Trev realizes this off-season is important for the roster’s of the men and women’s teams next year. He is pragmatic with common sense. I think the women can improve its product with or without Amy. The men I have doubt that replacing Fred would garner a better head coach and recruiter. Both, now, have NIL and it is an important off-season. Both will have to contend with the L.A. Schools in 2024.
This is often stated as if it's an indisputable fact, but it absolutely is not. I would argue the team played far better following those injuries - not because Gary and Bandoumel weren't good players, but because those injuries forced NU to finally run something resembling an offense.
So if those two players don't get injured, does Tominaga become an effective scorer who moves without the ball, or does he stay miscast as an easy-to-guard standstill shooter? Does Lawrence even get on the court enough to make an impact?
I don't see a significantly better record for NU if those two players stay healthy. I just see another half-season of the what-the-Hell-guess-it's-my-turn-to-shoot offense.
Yep. Among the MANY mystifying things about Nebraska basketball, the one that puzzles me year after year is why they seem to play better after they lose some of their "best" players. It wasn't because Gary and Bandoumel were selfish players, that's for sure.
.504 winning percentage, hell yeah pop the champagne. We shouldn’t have needed to fire Fred and we shouldn’t have needed to fire Tim. Since we suck at basketball and always have, we should have kept the cheaper option with the .532 winning percentage, Doc Sadler.
What's the technical term for what Trev is doing.... pissing in our faces and telling us it's raining? Whatever, we all knew he was coming back. I mean, we don't think they'll actually be better next year, do we?
Trev is doing the right thing in not spending unnecessary money on this cursed, putrid program. Excellent decision. Can him when the buyout drops and hire someone for pennies, or just keep him, doesnt matter.
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He has to show improvement next year and certainly in two years maximum, imo.
Among coaching circles Fred is considered one of the best offensive minds in the game. He can draw up plays as good as anyone. He's up there with guys like Brad Stevens and Mike D'Antoni. I'm with the poster above. I don't see us being much more successful with a different coach. I remember the Miles days of "Hey Terran/JPJ/Roby/Andrew I need you to drop 30 tonight for us to have a chance to win." They played tough defense but hero ball is not a winning strategy either. It worked for a month in 2014 when Petteway was on a heater and it got us into the tournament where we got blown out by a very good Baylor team. But other than that it was .500 basketball.
And this got better under Hoiberg?
Maybe I need to adjust my TV. For three and half years, all I saw was a bunch of guys taking turns jacking up bad shots.
Fred's definitely coming back, so I hope the program has turned a corner. But until about February of this year, it was a complete shit show.
The ball movement and offensive sets are vastly improved over Tim Miles teams. Fred's second season they lead the B1G in open looks from the paint and the 3 point line. They were just very low in making those shots. I've been very vocal if Trev wanted to fire Fred after this year I would have been all for it. His record is abysmal. I'm also find with keeping him one more year. If he doesn't make the tourney next year he should be fired imo.
I suspect some of Fred's players get open looks for reasons other than ball movement.
In baseball, they call it "defensive indifference."
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