Do we win the West next year?

[jteten]

It won't matter which qb starts. Major upgrade is coming at the qb position. It honestly couldn't get worse, even though some on here think TA was great....

This is just an absurd assumption.

 

[Mr.Scary13]

This is just an absurd assumption.

Here are some facts for Tommy Armstrong in 2016 (a four year starting senior)...

* His 51.4% completion ranked 109 of 111 qualified qbs this year with qbs attempting at least 15 passes a game.
* His 50.2% completion in Big play ranked dead last among quarterbacks.
* His 34.8% against ranked teams was dead last in the Big and 12 percentage points lower than the second worst. (Rutgers)
* In the 3 losses he hit 35.8% for 117.3 yards a game with 1 TD and 3 INTs.

The only thing that's absurd is you and many others that continue to beat the drum that this guy was worth a damn at quarterback. I can guarantee whomever Riley plays next year has better numbers than that.

 

[SWIowahawks]

I think the West is Wisconsin's to lose. They return a ton from this year. Iowa returns a very good portion, especially on defense. They will be breaking in a true freshman QB with shaky WR's. (Matt Vandeburg will be back).

Wisconsin has the easier schedule than Iowa and Nebraska by far. Then Nebraska's is easier than Iowa's. I don't see the Hawks winning it with all the away games and cross overs.

 

[Freddie gaines]

Who cares about an occasional top 10 finish. I mean besides teams that don't have anything else to brag about. Iowa fans were seen chanting WE'RE NUMBER 8!!!! WERE NUMBER 8!!!!

How many national championship games has Ferentz led Iowa to? Nebraska has at least one of those since Ferentz was named head coach at Iowa.

As far as major bowl games in that time frame there is a Fiesta and a Rose and 2 top 5 finishes and a third top 10.

So please come stronger. Other than your schedule aided anomaly of a season last year, Iowa is a mediocre football team.

40-10 reality is a town in Idaho

 

[romaman]

I am bold apparently. No doubt they will win the west!

The OL will be better with Gates, Foster, and Farmer all that much more experienced.

Good young receivers with a QB that can get them the ball. (You could say I read and believed the players and posters on here that said Lee was impressive in fall camp and on scout team).

Bryant, Ozigbo, Wilbon will all have experience and knowledge of the offense and they have good potential as a group.

Gerry will be missed, but the play of both Williams and our CBs has me feeling good about the back end of the D.

Last year's LB class was decent and had some speed. Hopefully Young and Newby can take the next step to improve their game and lead the defense.

The DTs will be better under year two of Parrella and a year older. Not sure about the DEs though.

Tougher schedule because of Penn st. Same schedule as this year otherwise, except some of the same teams will be better next year (NW and OSU).

Before the season, I had hopes of a at least a 10-2 record for this year at this point in the season.

Realistically, there is no way we beat OSU next year.

Riley better kick ass next year because 2018 will be tough.

I think on defense Gerry will be the only one we miss. I wish we had a little more speed overall, because Iowa made our defense look a step slow, we must find a true pass rusher either someone currently on the roster needs to step up or juco stud. A lot of production from the WR position is leaving and trying to break in a new QB, there probably some growing pains for the first couple of games for everyone to get on the same page. Maybe I am being a little too critical, but too many question marks at certain positions for us to win the west next season.

 

[myteamcanbeatupyourteam]

Where is Iowa always at?

Since 1999 when Ferentz took over

1-10
3-9
7-5
11-2
10-3
10-2
7-5
6-7
6-6
9-4
11-2
8-5
7-6
4-8
8-5
7-6
12-2
8-4

They are the poster children for mediocre football.

Just because they have won three out of four over Nebraska doesn't mean they are the program to emulate. If Riley has the same levels of inconsistency in wins and losses as Ferentz, he would be run out of town. Please stop with this ridiculousness.

fify

 

[DodgerHawki]

I think the West is Wisconsin's to lose. They return a ton from this year. Iowa returns a very good portion, especially on defense. They will be breaking in a true freshman QB with shaky WR's. (Matt Vandeburg will be back).

Wisconsin has the easier schedule than Iowa and Nebraska by far. Then Nebraska's is easier than Iowa's. I don't see the Hawks winning it with all the away games and cross overs.

Badgers will be overwhelming favorite in the West. Lots of returners, and the schedule plays a role. Iowa gets Penn State, Ohio State and MSU in crossovers. Plus on road at Nebraska and at Wisconsin. Yikes. Nebraska gets Rutgers, Ohio State and Penn State. Wisconsin gets Maryland, Indiana and Michigan.

 

[TheNewNU]

Whomever can vote no doubt or no chance in hell is feeling a little bold. There's no reason this team can't make a sizable leap with another year of experience on D and a QB that more than likely will fit what Langsdorf wants to do offensively.

On the other hand, Wisconsin returns a lot of talent from their team and should be the favorites (again) but Nebraska plays them at home and tends to match up pretty well with Wisconsin (sans a couple games with Pelini as coach).

Wisconsin is a good match up for us since Paul Chryst got there, they play the exact same style as us and both games have gone down to the wire. Iowa, OSU, Those are bad matchups. Physical teams pushed our patty cake lines anyway they wanted to. Last year we matched up well with Iowa and MSU because we had Collins, and Valentine up front. This year with pedestrian lines was a slaughter. If we don't have very good Hog mollies up front we will never compete with those teams.

 

[lemarshusker]

No one wants to emulate their program.
What they have done, however, is more with less talent. Ferentz is terribly inconsistent, and Nebraska will always be able to out-recruit them. Their program is not what needs to be emulated....but that style you saw last Friday DOES.
Whether people like it or not we are their little brother right now. It's reality.

Watch out, having an unpopular opinion will get you branded with Iowa troll. I learned that last weekend.

 

[Lincoln100]

No

 

[inWV]

Badgers will be overwhelming favorite in the West. Lots of returners, and the schedule plays a role. Iowa gets Penn State, Ohio State and MSU in crossovers. Plus on road at Nebraska and at Wisconsin. Yikes. Nebraska gets Rutgers, Ohio State and Penn State. Wisconsin gets Maryland, Indiana and Michigan.

Badgers go 2-1 in their crossovers, we go 2-1 or 1-2. If the former, we need to beat them and can tolerate another loss in division and own the tiebreaker. If the latter, we need to beat them and run the table in the division. This assumes that Wisky doesn't hiccup with NW, Iowa or Minny.
Winning the division is not a "no way in hell" proposition.

 

[TheBeav815]

Here are some facts for Tommy Armstrong in 2016 (a four year starting senior)...

* His 51.4% completion ranked 109 of 111 qualified qbs this year with qbs attempting at least 15 passes a game.
* His 50.2% completion in Big play ranked dead last among quarterbacks.
* His 34.8% against ranked teams was dead last in the Big and 12 percentage points lower than the second worst. (Rutgers)
* In the 3 losses he hit 35.8% for 117.3 yards a game with 1 TD and 3 INTs.

The only thing that's absurd is you and many others that continue to beat the drum that this guy was worth a damn at quarterback. I can guarantee whomever Riley plays next year has better numbers than that.

He's not a good passer and never has been. But you need to include his contributions in the run game if you're going to give him a totally fair assessment. His runs pretty much won the Oregon game, he also had crucial runs in the Northwestern game.

 

[DodgerHawki]

Badgers go 2-1 in their crossovers, we go 2-1 or 1-2. If the former, we need to beat them and can tolerate another loss in division and own the tiebreaker. If the latter, we need to beat them and run the table in the division. This assumes that Wisky doesn't hiccup with NW, Iowa or Minny.
Winning the division is not a "no way in hell" proposition.

I would agree. Nebraska, Wisconsin and Iowa are yearly candidates to win the West depending on how things go. People were saying "no way in hell" about Wisconsin this year due to the schedule. They ended up losing to both OSU and Michigan, but ran the table against the West and crap-stomped a bad Michigan State team (no one knew the Spartans were bad when Wisconsin beat them).

The path is fairly clear. If Nebraska, Iowa, or Wisconsin goes 2-0 against each other, they are likely winning the West. If the teams end up splitting the games, that's where schedule plays a bigger role. Wisconsin with likely a game advantage going into the season based on crossovers.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

I think there is a chance Nebraska can win the west simply because they have Wisconsin and Iowa in Lincoln.

Win both of those games and they are in the driver's seat.

 

[Mr.Scary13]

He's not a good passer and never has been. But you need to include his contributions in the run game if you're going to give him a totally fair assessment. His runs pretty much won the Oregon game, he also had crucial runs in the Northwestern game.

I don't think you do, because it won't fit your narrative.

 

[jteten]

I don't think you do, because it won't fit your narrative.

Your arguments are assumptive, biased, one sided and frankly a caricature of bad sports fans. Posts suggesting it couldn't get worse at QB are as bad as many fans suggesting any coach could win 9 games at Nebraska.

 

[Mr.Scary13]

Your arguments are assumptive, biased, one sided and frankly a caricature of bad sports fans. Posts suggesting it couldn't get worse at QB are as bad as many fans suggesting any coach could win 9 games at Nebraska.

I'll be here next year same time and we can discuss how Nebraska's new qb is comparing to last years.....

 

[jay-cheese]

Is that an anonymous internet message board future promise I just read.....

LOL

GBR

 

[jawbreakingsafetyplay]

The question is whether Lee or POB is a sufficient enough upgrade in the passing game to loosen the Badger and Hawkeye Ds off the line of scrimmage. They have a way of making even very good running attacks look ordinary. We are not now even very good. Obviously we will need better play from our Oline, or to be fair, a chance for an Oline to play healthy.
I do not know the answer to the Lee/POB question, although some on the board have been high on Tanner Lee. Coach Williams will earn his paycheck getting some young receivers ready to play significant snaps.
Defensively, we lose KM ad Dzuris. We have DavisX2/Stoltenberg in the middle, but do we have someone as reliable as Dzuris? The loss of Bando, MRI and Nate cannot be underestimated.

I lost you at Dzuris being reliable.

 

[Giants100]

Who cares about an occasional top 10 finish. I mean besides teams that don't have anything else to brag about. Iowa fans were seen chanting WE'RE NUMBER 8!!!! WERE NUMBER 8!!!!

How many national championship games has Ferentz led Iowa to? Nebraska has at least one of those since Ferentz was named head coach at Iowa.

As far as major bowl games in that time frame there is a Fiesta and a Rose and 2 top 5 finishes and a third top 10.

So please come stronger. Other than your schedule aided anomaly of a season last year, Iowa is a mediocre football team.

 

[Giants100]

Keep tellling yourself how mediocre Iowa and Wisconsin are with that shiny 1-5 record in the last 6 games between the two of them. Nebraska is the whipping boy for Wisky and Iowa.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Keep tellling yourself how mediocre Iowa and Wisconsin are with that shiny 1-5 record in the last 6 games between the two of them. Nebraska is the whipping boy for Wisky and Iowa.

See my post where I showed Iowa's all time record against their longtime conference opponents and get back with me about whipping boy.

 

[PeliniTheCrutch]

I lost you at Dzuris being reliable.

I think he essentially means he's available and plays hard.

 

[cidsports]

I think the West is Wisconsin's to lose. They return a ton from this year. Iowa returns a very good portion, especially on defense. They will be breaking in a true freshman QB with shaky WR's. (Matt Vandeburg will be back).

Wisconsin has the easier schedule than Iowa and Nebraska by far. Then Nebraska's is easier than Iowa's. I don't see the Hawks winning it with all the away games and cross overs.

Iowa in 2004 started the season with a true sophomore at QB. Zero previous starts, Drew Tate. Tate lead Iowa to a 7-1 co-Big Ten title.

Iowa returns a true sophomore Nathan Stanley, who picked Ferentz over Chryst. He was a Wisconsin prep QB in 2015.

fwiw

 

[cavalot]

The past 15 years lead me to a lack of belief

 

[PhysicalU]

Where is Iowa always at?

Since 1999 when Ferentz took over

1-10
3-9
7-5
11-2
10-3
10-2
7-5
6-7
6-6
9-4
11-2
8-5
7-6
4-8
8-5
7-6
12-2
8-4

They are the poster children for mediocre football.

Just because they have won 2 in a row over Nebraska doesn't mean they are the program to emulate. If Riley has the same levels of inconsistency in wins and losses as Ferentz, he would be run out of town. Please stop with this ridiculousness.

This response is the predominant mindset that will have Nebraska searching for their 6th head coach within a 25 year time frame. You're not in the Big 8 or Big Twelve anymore, and you can't pretend it's perennially 1994. The OWH writer hit the nail on the head. Nebraska needs to completely jettison this attitude, have a coach who knows how to build a program from the inside out and develop players. Nebby simply cannot recruit their way to championships. Yes, you can still embrace your rich and successful tradition and do what needs to be done. Hiring a 61-year old West Coast Offensive coach who can't develop players or out-physical teams in this conference simply will not get it done. Sure, Ferentz has not had the win numbers that Osborne had, but KF does not coach in the Big 8, did not inherit a strong program when he first came in, and did not have a successful program to recruit to at the time he started. Coaches in this conference have to be able to be competitive with more than just one team (I.E. Oklahoma for Nebraska back in the day). Ferentz-coached teams have finished in the top 10 five times in 18 years .... a little better than every four years. The guy and the staff he surrounds himself with knows how to develop players. Iowa has been a more successful program in the past 15 years. It's just a fact.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

This response is the predominant mindset that will have Nebraska searching for their 6th head coach within a 25 year time frame. You're not in the Big 8 or Big Twelve anymore, and you can't pretend it's perennially 1994. The OWH writer hit the nail on the head. Nebraska needs to completely jettison this attitude, have a coach who knows how to build a program from the inside out and develop players. Nebby simply cannot recruit their way to championships. Yes, you can still embrace your rich and successful tradition and do what needs to be done. Hiring a 61-year old West Coast Offensive coach who can't develop players or out-physical teams in this conference simply will not get it done. Sure, Ferentz has not had the win numbers that Osborne had, but KF does not coach in the Big 8, did not inherit a strong program when he first came in, and did not have a successful program to recruit to at the time he started. Coaches in this conference have to be able to be competitive with more than just one team (I.E. Oklahoma for Nebraska back in the day). Iowa has been a more successful program in the past 15 years. It's just a fact.

Since 2000

Nebraska 137-74 14 bowls 7-7 record

Iowa 134- 80 13 bowls 6-7 record.

Head to head Nebraska 4-3

Nebraska 1 championship game appearance Iowa zero

Top 5 finishes Nebraska 2 Iowa - you guessed it, zero

Nope. Not more successful.

Try again

 

[PhysicalU]

Since 2000

Nebraska 137-74 14 bowls 7-7 record

Iowa 134- 80 13 bowls 6-7 record.

Head to head Nebraska 4-3

Nebraska 1 championship game appearance Iowa zero

Top 5 finishes Nebraska 2 Iowa - you guessed it, zero

Nope. Not more successful.

Try again

I specifically said "in the past 15 years." Please do the math (if you can).

Oh and, by the way .... 40-10.

 

[RealHusker]

At least next year we'll finally get a sense of the offense Riley/Langsdorf really want to run. Presumably we will lose some productivity from the QB run game, but there is a fair chance that we'll convert a few more 3rd and 5's by completing 6 yard passes instead over-throwing a ball 40 yards down field.

NU is sitting home tomorrow because they missed a golden opportunity in Madison...not because they were routed in Columbus and Bugtustle. Wisconsin used a Freshman QB much of the season and won the division, so the experience of the QB probably isn't the overriding factor...his ability to execute the offense is more important.

 

[Cloud@Heart]

Why not us? (Don't answer that)

I drink the red kool aide every year. I have decided to do it again, just don't ask me how or why.

GBR!

 

[scarletred]

Keep tellling yourself how mediocre Iowa and Wisconsin are with that shiny 1-5 record in the last 6 games between the two of them. Nebraska is the whipping boy for Wisky and Iowa.

Were both Mediocre compared to Wisconsin they have played in 4 B1G CCG and 3 Rose Bowls..
Don't put your program on far with Wisconsin just because you went 12-2 last year.

Remind us how Iowa done in bowl games since we joined the B1G would ya.

 

[c2o]

There is no doubt that maybe there is a chance in hell.
Or maybe not because Hell seems like the kinda place that you have no chance in.

I'm getting confused.

 

[Sker]

I think there is a chance Nebraska can win the west simply because they have Wisconsin and Iowa in Lincoln.

Better chance Riley's hip hip hurrahs finish dead last next two seasons

 

[c2o]

Better chance Riley's hip hip hurrahs finish dead last next two seasons

It's hooray.
Nobody says hip hip hurrah anymore.

 

[cecilB]

Where is Iowa always at?

Since 1999 when Ferentz took over

1-10
3-9
7-5
11-2
10-3
10-2
7-5
6-7
6-6
9-4
11-2
8-5
7-6
4-8
8-5
7-6
12-2
8-4

They are the poster children for mediocre football.

Just because they have won 2 in a row over Nebraska doesn't mean they are the program to emulate. If Riley has the same levels of inconsistency in wins and losses as Ferentz, he would be run out of town. Please stop with this ridiculousness.

So Coach Riley has his work cut out for him next year, eh? I'm not sure where he needs to go to demonstrate consistency

 

[Rocky Mtn Husker]

I think people need to temper their expectations! New QB next year and Riley's still restocking the shelves. I think 8-5, 9-4 would be very respectable and keep us about where we're at. GBR.

 

[phoenix4nu]

Save your time trying to guess and just ask that Red Rover character.

 

[dinglefritz]

I lost you at Dzuris being reliable.

Well at least you know what you're gonna get from him. Good effort anyway.

 

[Arbitr8]

Where is Iowa always at?

Since 1999 when Ferentz took over

1-10
3-9
7-5
11-2
10-3
10-2
7-5
6-7
6-6
9-4
11-2
8-5
7-6
4-8
8-5
7-6
12-2
8-4

They are the poster children for mediocre football.

Just because they have won 2 in a row over Nebraska doesn't mean they are the program to emulate. If Riley has the same levels of inconsistency in wins and losses as Ferentz, he would be run out of town. Please stop with this ridiculousness.

Actually they won the last 3 out of 4 and totally gave away the game 2014. Riley hasn't proven he can beat IOWA.

 

[rrthusker]

Anybody have any new material instead of the same stale and antiquated arguments?