Was thinking how rarely our running game gets past the 2nd and 3rd levels anymore. Or is this just what you get with this zone blocking scheme?
Do Our Receivers Block Anymore?
- Thread starter Captain Nick
- Start date
Are you kidding? Our WR's block their balls off.
For sure they do, Stanley Morgan gets straight up vicious. There was an article a month or so back about it in the journal star. Try watching more than the ball next game.
DPE and Morgan are NFL [high level] blocking wideouts. Westerkamp is pretty good too, not as good as the two already mentioned though. Moore and Reilly are made of glass, they're blocking have dipped this year.
All in all, coach Williams has his work cut out for him. I've been very disappointed in his group, specifically this year.
As far as down field blocking assisting our run game, we desperately need an OL that can get to the second level. Outside of Gates, we're very unathletic up front and struggle to reach the second level. Once Foster is back in the groove fully trusting his recovery, that'll help immensely as he's shown signs. Heck, once Utter is gone that'll help the most.
All in all, coach Williams has his work cut out for him. I've been very disappointed in his group, specifically this year.
As far as down field blocking assisting our run game, we desperately need an OL that can get to the second level. Outside of Gates, we're very unathletic up front and struggle to reach the second level. Once Foster is back in the groove fully trusting his recovery, that'll help immensely as he's shown signs. Heck, once Utter is gone that'll help the most.
better than our linemen. Watch a few of the outside reads and you see a guy or two running free (defense) and our O linemen run right by them which slows up our RB and eventually the pursuit catches up. We also don't get a lot of help from the backside to slow that down.
You didn't ask a question. But I assume you mean we haven't had a lot of long runs this year. Which is correct. But that has more to due with the o-line that the WRs.
I should say I'm not trying to pick on the receivers. There's alot to like from them. It's more of a comment on the coaching staff and if it's something they even stress.
With that said, I did just now randomly pull up Newby's highlights from the Indiana game and I will give Morgan props for giving consistent effort. But I don't know how many times I did see guys just jogging and sort of getting in someone's way.
With that said, I did just now randomly pull up Newby's highlights from the Indiana game and I will give Morgan props for giving consistent effort. But I don't know how many times I did see guys just jogging and sort of getting in someone's way.
not notice all the quick throws to jordan yesterday? why do you think those worked so well? reilly was blocking his ass off.
I honestly don't think we're watching the same games. The receivers are really good blockers.
Would like to see our RBs, not go down when hit by the first tackler. It's burned into my brain after listening to my RB coach, told us every day at practice, numerous times, we were never to go down on the first hit or first tackler. This became a huge plus, because it took several players to bring all our RBs down. Our yards after first hit was exceptional.
First one, Reilly went in motion to the opposite side, DPE had the block.
Second one, DPE had the short and Reilly had the deep.
Third one, Reilly drove his guy pretty good.
Not the greatest to spotlight someone's blocking. 2015 Reilly has a highlight reel of getting after it. Not so much this year. I assume the break before a bowl game will make a big difference for Brandon.
I'm not an expert by any means, but I think our WRs have been blocking better than our O-Line. Anything to the outside or to the left side of the line I don't worry about... up the middle or to the right side of the line... I don't feel nearly as good about, we get stuffed every time.
Now this has definitely come out of left field... The knock on Newby in previous years was just this... this year Newby has been amazing at running through tackles and pushing the pile... Ozigbo also is a load to take down and rarely goes down at first contact... I really have no idea what you are talking about here. Maybe you were being sarcastic, and if so, I totally missed it. But our RBs have been beasts this year, hands down...
I feel the same about Utter. What is up with Decker then? I heard an Adam Carriker podcast earlier this season where he flat out said Utter was a huge liability (he likes the kid just not his skill level or size). And he point blank said Decker should be starting. Does Decker not get the mental part of the game that is critical for a center?
But I do disagree with the idea that Williams has not done a good job this year. Personally, I think our group of receivers, collectively, are very good. But they have been playing banged up all year and I don't think a one of them isn't dealing with some kind of nagging injury. Add in our slowed down running game due to offensive line injuries and you end up with safeties who can sit in two deep coverage to take away any long ball threat. Add in that in some games Tommy has been innacurate in his short game passes and you get diminished receptions.
But I will add one more thing that some people will disagree with most likely. I have felt since the beginning of the season that our receivers as a group were being overhyped. Not that they are not a good group - - they are. But as Dan Hawkins pointed out (and I agree with him) we lack that "great" receiver who is a total game changer kind of guy that every defense has to double team. A receiver who is fast, athletic, big, and with good hands who knows how to get open. So I am not disappointed with Williams or our receivers. I think they are playing well. They just lack a true difference maker
Last edited:
Should actual watch some of the plays where one tackle was between a huge gain and 3rd and short or 3rd and 5. Only one play this year of 40 yards or more, says your seeing what you want to see. Not my fault you missed it or don't comprehend the difference. Maybe, you have two left feet, since it came out of left field. By the way we're talking FOOTBALL, not baseball, if that helps!
Whatever. If you can't see the improvement in newby and the way Ozigbo takes multiple players to tackle him, don't know what to say. Maybe you've got diarrhea since crap is flowing from your mouth.
Last year I might have agreed with you. Not this year. Go ahead and cherry pick one tackle that could have been a huge gain... I will focus on the overall product which says you don't know what you're talking about.
What is ironic in this stupid criticism of our running backs is that, given the injuries up front and the poor run blocking, it is a damn good thing our backs do NOT go down on first contact or else we would probably have lost a few more games
Not only that, but he doesn't have his facts straight... newby ripped off a 49 yard run against NW and a 63 yard run against Illinois. And he tells me to watch the games.
Ok.
As crazy as it sounds, I'm convinced Utter is the only linemen on the team who can successfully execute a snap out of the shotgun. I think it's the only logical explanation.
Utter was voted captain. After everything the staff had to deal with last year, and even through winter conditioning up to spring practices, no way would they risk the chance of dividing the team after spending a lot of time getting their minds right. I don't agree with their decision but I do understand it.
2017 forward, we should see the "best man" playing every position.
So I just watched every rushing play from the first half of the Maryland game. I only saw one play where the WRs man made the tackle. It was on Bryant long rush. Reimers man force Brant out of bounds 15(ish) yards past the LOS. Every other rushing play, the WRs had their man locked up or their man couldn't make a play. I have no idea what you were watching.
Yes, Newby has gotten much better this year in between the tackles. But he still never seems to be able to get past that last tackle to break a big one. You can break a bunch of tackles at the line of scrimmage and it won't do you much good. Breaking the last tackle is much more important.
I guess I will have to disagree with this... If you don't break the first tackle, or tackles, at the line of scrimmage, well, I'm gonna guess there will be even fewer long runs...
The more I read this, the less I understand... A year ago he was playing 2-hand touch... now he runs through tackles all the time. Just because he hasn't broken many long runs doesn't mean he goes down at first contact, as the previous poster doggedly clung to. Are you saying he isn't breaking enough tackles, that the last one always seems to get him? Because that can be said about all running backs that get tackled.
I would love to see more long runs, but the reason we haven't seen them isn't because our RBs are going down at first contact.
+1 - Ameer had a similar career progression; except he progressed earlier because he wouldn't play two hand touch.
The only crap flowing from orifices are yours and at a pretty fluid rate! Get a clue, or go to Football 91, because your not ready for Football 101, yet. Like I stated go back and actual watch a few games, your bound to learn something, well maybe. All I'm seeing is the wind blowing between your ears!
I don't even know why I try. I've watched most of the games this year, and comparing this year to last year is no comparison. Our RBs do not go down at first contact, like you so idiotically claim.
I will pull a page from your book. Tell me if I'm doing this right...
"You are an idiot and don't understand the game of football. Go watch the games and you will see that you are wrong. But I guess that won't help you, because you need a brain to understand this most basic concept that I am telling you... You can watch all you want and it won't make a difference. You will remain an idiot when it comes to what constitutes going down at first contact."
How was that? Did I capture the spirit of BrainlessRick well enough?
Huh, can posts like this have a spoiler tag, you might get dumber if you read this?
It's a pretty simple concept to understand. If you evade one tackle at the line of scrimmage, you still haven't gotten past other guys on defense. So generally you'd only get a few more yards after the first broken tackle. On the other hand, if you're able to evade the last defender, there's nothing else stopping you from the endzone. The gain from breaking the last tackle and getting into the open field is greater than the gain from breaking a tackle near the line of scrimmage and getting tackled right away after that.
It's pretty clear, really... breaking the last tackle beyond the line of scrimmage is much more important than breaking the first tackle at the line of scrimmage.
Listen chump change if you had a brain, you would be an idiot in practice. Your just a wannabe, but we all know you've failed even at that, so go on with your idiotic diatribe, I'll be the one to tell you it's just plain pathetic! Your spirit pleads to be released, so it can find something with a clue, who knows what contact is. Throw in the toilet while you can, annoying little one.
Fair enough oh wise one. You see what you see, I see something different. You bring nothing but insults, certainly no insights to this thread. Unfortunately, I've gotten sucked down to your level and responded accordingly. It's pointless to continue to respond, since all you will do is continue with the insults so I'm done. I know what I see. That's good enough for me.
Have a happy thanksgiving.
So is it evading or breaking? What if one tackle is broken and another is evaded. Crap, I thought I had this all figured out.
