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the real question is what are the coaches especially Banker doing to fix it - or are we just charging ahead as is
This got me thinking of something I wondered under Pelini and to a small extent last year. At least in obvious passing situations, are there any tweener guys we can rush off the edge ala Demarrio Williams etc. Guys that we can stand up in an "amoeba" front or whatever. I know this doesnt help on other downs but if we are that bad and end then even 3rd and 10+ could pose problems for us.
First of all, God Speed on your Hernia Recovery. Ouch.
Secondly,. I'm not sure King and Davis can be considered "busts," they were never really highly recruited. I think both of them will play. Davis could play more on passing downs this year. He's allegedly seeing time in Nickel packages as a sub for Dzuris. King is behind Davis.
As for Daishon... there are rumors the coaches are trying to "motivate" him for reasons unknown. Walk On, Matt Jarzynka, from Loup City, is currently ahead of Daishon on the depth chart.... Neal is apparently in some type of Jon Parella doghouse... Parella preached effort and motor constantly. Daishon seems to be falling behind in that aspect.
Ok. Thanks for the info. Does not sound promising. I would like to think there is someone on our roster who could step up, but it does not sound like there is.
My non-expert opinion is that the D will look similar to what we saw last year, but with marginal improvement in passing efficiency, offset by marginal worsening on rush D.
DE sounds like it will be a wash compared to last year, but the back 7 is talented and more experienced. This should translate to a better pass D, that will still be a little less prone to breaking down because no DB can cover for 30 seconds.
DT is very inexperienced, and that will be tested over and over again in the run game.
The good news is we will have teams attacking us in a more balanced way, so our pass D will improve statistically!
If we end the season as a top 40 defense I'm gonna send Banker a thank you card.
DE sounds like it will be a wash compared to last year, but the back 7 is talented and more experienced. This should translate to a better pass D, that will still be a little less prone to breaking down because no DB can cover for 30 seconds.
DT is very inexperienced, and that will be tested over and over again in the run game.
The good news is we will have teams attacking us in a more balanced way, so our pass D will improve statistically!
If we end the season as a top 40 defense I'm gonna send Banker a thank you card.
GET BETTER QUICK; or you may pull something watching a game trying to urge the team on. Of course multiple LB's have been mentioned to play the edge - especially in blitz or potential blitz packages. What many posters above are saying is coaches can coach and are paying attention. Some great posts; with some minor discussions; which mostly amount to clarification of how things were stated. ..... What you believe about DT's comes down to youth. I draw some solace from thinking we have good coaches and Boyd is back and this group has been pared to where; we have a lot of buy-in. I carry that to, these DT's were ranked so high in testing and the level of performance the coaches saw; that some players moved on due to the potential of less playing time when coaches let them know their status. ........ The phenomenal twins ; index wise the two best physical players are running second string; albeit to another youth movement - some of you predicted this in at least one instance; you lead the field IMO over what were internet opinions. I think coach Parella is future star coach; he made his manual and is a motivator - so lots of good coaches; but he is going for elite. ........ And of course some of you dare mention it matters what teams we are playing; increased experience as we go , and adjustments in scheme we make on an ongoing basis - what a concept !!! Seriously, well done.
Their are some great game minds in this thread; but I will tell you Cosgrove got owned in that game. Even the " splits " were crazy; you could sit in the stands on some plays and know where the USC qb would audible too, and that you could also drive a truck through there.
Thanks. Doctor says no lifting of anything over 10 pounds for three months. Kind of a bummer since I retired from teaching to run a sheep ranch. I need to lift hay bales, 50 pound bags of feed, and the occasional lamb. Ha. My poor wife has been forced into service. I got this stupid hernia because I had an incision not heal right from an appendectomy last Fall. I am in excellent shape though so I should recover fine.
I just need to be recovered enough to lift the numerous glasses of Scotch I will be drinking when I fly into Lincoln for the Oregon game
I expect our rushing defense stats to tell us we're giving up an average of 4.8 YPC. In short, on the defensive side of the ball, it's going to be a long season. I am hopeful TA can keep our D off the field and help hide what is probably going to be a very outmanned D-Line this year. I fear the stats on the defensive side of the ball are going to be Cosgrovesque. Hope I'm wrong.
Losing both KW and GMM most definitely hurt, if nothing more than from a depth perspective. But KW would have probably been injured by now anyway, but GMM would have been nice to have back.
That's your opinion. I'd rather have Maurice, Stoltenberg and the Davis twins getting reps. Maurice has been more productive than Williams was, and hasn't played near the number of games. After last season, and the lack of effort time and time again, I'm glad McMullen isn't back.
Williams and McMullen are bodies, not depth, that's how I see it. You feel different, I'm okay with that.
I agree. But frankly, based on some comments on this board today, I am growing more concerned about our defensive ends than our tackles. Banker praised Alex Davis today as someone who has come on strong in the Fall. What are your thoughts on the defensive ends?
Williams, when healthy, was pretty good, and comparable to Maurice. McMullen was starting last year for a reason. It wasn't by chance. Yeah, he wasn't real quick, but was a good run-stopper. He would be starting this year. Thinking these two guys wouldn't help us this year is quite simply being in denial.
Williams was injured all the time. So his loss means very little. And I would agree about GMM but if there is talent on the roster at that position I would rather see it developed than I would watching GMM take plays off.
The point is, we would rather have both of them on the roster than not being on the roster. Suggesting otherwise is just being petty. I'm pissed that Williams transferred too, but it isn't going to change my opinion that he could have helped us. As a sophomore, he had 3 sacks as a backup when healthy.
Worried about them coming in to the fall and nothing I've read so far changes that opinion. See below as to why.
Well, let's be honest, we now see why McMullen was starting last year. Our other options were Dzuris and Natter. Someone has to start, right? Him starting this year doesn't mean much when you look at it, just like Dzuris starting. Who else is there?
2012 DE class, we signed 2 and McMullen would've been the only one left.
2013 DE class signed 4 guys; 3 from high school, they should either be redshirt juniors or seniors and a JUCO. Suttles and Mixon aren't here, Gregory would be exhausted of eligibility even if he played all years so that leaves Natter. Is he still around?
2014 DE class was worse. 3 of 4 are no longer around.
10 DE's signed in the 3 classes. Of the 10 signed, 7 or 8 are gone. That's disgusting considering they would be in their third to fifth year in the program.
I mean seriously, I'm not trying to be a jerk but all one has to do is look why McMullen started last year. I outlined it for everyone above.
Thanks. Very informative and sobering. Explains why coaches asked Freedom to switch.
Ok, so given this disgusting reality, is there something we can do scheme-wise to at least soften the blow? On obvious passing downs, for example, could we use some of our bigger linebackers on the edge? Or take the reverse approach and take one of the Davis twins and have them on the edge for short yardage situations? Or perhaps there is yet another player on the roster somewhere who could play the position? I know that all sounds like desperation kooky talk, but geez... Pelini really left this particular cupboard bare
Does it matter what has happened in the past, in 2016? We are where we are as a result of recruiting, attrition, and injuries. It still doesn't change the fact that Greg McMullen would be starting, had he chosen to come back. That being said, neither are here, so this exchange is pretty meaningless to begin with. Dealing in "ifs" and "buts" is pretty pointless.
You brought up him starting in 2015 so it seems it was important to you as to what's happened in the past. I explained why he was starting but it's up to you to face the reality as to why, which was detailed out. He's a body, that's about it. I really can't believe this is even a discussion, his play last year was atrocious.
I've said enough, time to enjoy the night.
Like I said, he would be starting this year, and would be an improvement to what we have on the roster, but much like any info prior to this season, it's meaningless.
Do we have any LBs that can move down and come off the edge when we go nickel or dime? Didn't newby do that a bit in the past
Move one of the DEs out and replace with a LB in passing situations
Also was it implied earlier that Logan Rath was seeing time ahead of one of the Davis twins?
Move one of the DEs out and replace with a LB in passing situations
Also was it implied earlier that Logan Rath was seeing time ahead of one of the Davis twins?
Quayshon Alexander a situational option off the edge at some point or is he strictly slotted for linebacker?
I guess I will inquire as to the whereabouts of AJ Natter that we are obliged to ask every year about this time
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Believe you are right, there were comments about exactly that; not sure how it will end up. Also, remember it has been mentioned, moving one of the twins out to DE at times; not sure whats been seen in fall camp. A player definitely stated Coach is looking for 8-10 to rotate on the d-line; doesn't mean they won't rotate situationally to a run stopper at DE or such. Some top posters have gi
I had forgotten about comments from one of the coaches that the Davis twins were athletic enough to flex out to DE but you're right they did. I know that when QA was recruited that they had mentioned they thought he might be a guy they could bring off the edge as a pass rusher. He's about the same weight as Randy Gregory actually was albeit a couple of inches shorter.
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Yep and at that position situationally; 30lbs more of mostly fat doesn't make you tougher; its for speed and pass rush duty.GBR
Exactly. It is why I think you are not seeing a lot of panic from these coaches over that position. They are concerned but also know we have situational options. Not ideal, but if the rest of the defense is solid they know that the situation is serviceable.
Very disappointing on the news about Daishon Neal progression in the program, really thought with his size he could be a dominating rush end. Seems like a motivating situation with him at this point hopefully the light will come on at some Point during the season.
I hope you're not suggesting that there's only two scenarios for this year, baskets full of peaches or the sky is falling. The lack of depth at DT is not the staff's fault. It is what it is. Now, can we manage this while we develop our youngsters? That is the question.
Absolutely not ... 9-3 would be a darn good year and I would be excited about the future
Playing Iowa for the division title on Black Friday is my main goal for the team this season.
If they can get to this point and beat Iowa we will all be very happy who wears scarlet red on Saturday.
If they can get to this point and beat Iowa we will all be very happy who wears scarlet red on Saturday.
McMullen would have been huge coming back. He would have been a solid dt. By the way why are you calling out his effort last year?
Because I watched games and his effort wasn't impressive at all.
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Yea McMullen gave poor effort all of last year so he could have his ass chewed in film study every week. The guy was an oversized d-end who was very sold against the run but limited in his pass rush. It would have been huge to have him back at dt. You're making making assumptions on his effort which is very dumb.
I thought McMullen was real bad at DE last year. I still think he would have been an asset as a 3-tech this year though.
Well the talking heads on one of the Saturday morning national talk shows picked Oregon to win the Pac 12 soooo that game may be a toe stubber.
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