Exactly. Langs has no idea how to scheme a run game. Half the carries are lead draw and rpo delay. Run plays based off pass plays! They don't work if the defense doesn't respect the pass game.
Langs
day after thoughts.
- Thread starter tpmcg
- Start date
Let this sink in. 4th and 5 on the road against Neb. All you need is a first down. You punt for a delta of 16 yards??????? NIU wasn't worried for one second our offense could score. And our offense is almost all JR and SR's. It's almost laughable with very little talent coming behind them.
What sucked is that on those plays when he actually had protection. no one was open. So he was forcing it.
It's a catch 22. Do you take that protection you rarely get and just throw the ball away, essentially wasting that protection? Or do you force it somewhere in hopes of making something out of nothing, not knowing if the next play will even allow you a chance to throw the ball?
It was a rollercoaster back there with the O line.
Yes, because he told us all he's a leader. When does a real leader say something like this?
Here's the deal with "what ifs". What it does is make one realize that IF we can fix some things how close we are and truly I think we're close to being a good team. Texas looked terrible against Maryland and last night they looked pretty darned good...like maybe top 10 good. Granted I think Herman is very good game day coach but we are close and IF our guys and staff can get it together there is hope. We just need to quit beating ourselves with unforced mental errors no matter what the play calls are. Even though we're weak in spots we have enough talent to win the west. Just have to get it together. If not, somebody is going to be held to account.
The NIU kid made a helluva pre snap read and was cheating up. Tanner's biggest mistake was not seeing that he was cheating up, and audibling Stanley to a fade for an easy TD.
Nothing different than you see from our HC.Some of the people I was watching the game with were commenting how disinterested the Nebraska sideline looked during the entire game...even in key positive moments.
I disagree. Purdue, Minnesota and Iowa win by 3 td's. Have you seen them play this year? Indiana wins, Northwestern, Rutgers and Illinois are toss-ups.
It's not just run the ball. It's how you run the ball.
I respect your posts, so I will ask dead serious how we could have improved our run game? I saw our o line getting beat up the middle and their safeties playing up in an attempt to shut it down but I admit I'm not an X's and O's expert. I understand basic schemes but that's about it
Disagree. Maybe Purdue. But Iowa beat north Texas by 17. NIU is better than north Texas. Minnesota beat buffalo by 10. Again, NIU is better than buffalo. You can't conclude they would beat NIU by 21 if they have already had closer games against worse teams.
I will tell you if we go 2tes... and use that toss play that bo perfected.. that would have worked all day..you have to get to the edge in the defense they had..... plus any time wilbon was one on one with a defender they never took him down.. seriously toss right toss left till they stopped it... then run play action off that to keep them honest.. strech plays as well.. its alot better than a draw play all damn day
I have my doubts this would have worked. NIU had pretty decent speed at linebacker. Our TE's haven't inspired a lot of confidence blocking. And I don't think Wilbon or Oz had the speed to make it to the edge. I think we were hosed in any formation that gave away what we were trying to do. You reference Wilbon being tough to bring down, that because he's more of a power guy, just tough to run power when the defense owns the inside of your offensive line. If Bryant plays, toss sweep might have had some good success. JMHO.
Someone with more time than me can write up the intricacies of the run. Here's a few thoughts.
Ozigbo's two carries encapsulate Langs idea of run game. His first carry was a fast hitting dive. The line and te sealed the edge, he hit the hole on time and he had a nice gain. His second carry was a delay off an RPO (I think it was rpo, could have been straight delay). Slow developing, defender gets in a crease and makes a play in the back field. No more Ozigbo. Ozigbo is really good hitting the hole and moving forward, he's never been good picking a hole and feeling out a run. But Langs put him in a position to fail.
Ask yourself this question, would you rather have your redshirt freshmen, 6'5" 310 RT moving backwards against a 225 end or moving forward 47 times in a game? I know what I choose. Langs put him in a position to fail.
Langs and Riley have stated their favorite play in football is the lead draw. Wilbon ran it at least 5 times, had a nice gain once. Out of the I formation they either run lead draw or play action off lead draw. They also love the delay out of shot gun (see the rpo write up by husker chalk talk). Those two plays were half of the run game. The other way they run is with 2 tights motion to the same side, then motion the wr in a tight trips. All of their run game is based off pass plays or from pass formations (WCO loves trips, hard to defend run routes out of it).
I'd like to see them run it because they want to, not because they have numbers in the box. I'd like to see some creativity in the run game that doesn't include passing the ball. Dive, ISO, counter, power, trap, sweep, jet sweep. Even if it doesn't work at first stick with it. I'd rather see the line work on being physical at the point of attack rather than on their heels trying to protect a statue. Sooner or later your size and strength will win out. It also opens the type of play action that Langs likes but can't use successfully because the defense doesn't respect the play fakes.
I'm sorry, but Langs has 4 4-stars on the line and a center who walked on and earned his way to the starting line up. There is talent there. I firmly believe they are being put in a position to fail by a stubborn oc who doesn't understand how to manage a game with more talent than the other team. This isn't the NFL and it's not Oregon State trying to beat USC.
Ozigbo's two carries encapsulate Langs idea of run game. His first carry was a fast hitting dive. The line and te sealed the edge, he hit the hole on time and he had a nice gain. His second carry was a delay off an RPO (I think it was rpo, could have been straight delay). Slow developing, defender gets in a crease and makes a play in the back field. No more Ozigbo. Ozigbo is really good hitting the hole and moving forward, he's never been good picking a hole and feeling out a run. But Langs put him in a position to fail.
Ask yourself this question, would you rather have your redshirt freshmen, 6'5" 310 RT moving backwards against a 225 end or moving forward 47 times in a game? I know what I choose. Langs put him in a position to fail.
Langs and Riley have stated their favorite play in football is the lead draw. Wilbon ran it at least 5 times, had a nice gain once. Out of the I formation they either run lead draw or play action off lead draw. They also love the delay out of shot gun (see the rpo write up by husker chalk talk). Those two plays were half of the run game. The other way they run is with 2 tights motion to the same side, then motion the wr in a tight trips. All of their run game is based off pass plays or from pass formations (WCO loves trips, hard to defend run routes out of it).
I'd like to see them run it because they want to, not because they have numbers in the box. I'd like to see some creativity in the run game that doesn't include passing the ball. Dive, ISO, counter, power, trap, sweep, jet sweep. Even if it doesn't work at first stick with it. I'd rather see the line work on being physical at the point of attack rather than on their heels trying to protect a statue. Sooner or later your size and strength will win out. It also opens the type of play action that Langs likes but can't use successfully because the defense doesn't respect the play fakes.
I'm sorry, but Langs has 4 4-stars on the line and a center who walked on and earned his way to the starting line up. There is talent there. I firmly believe they are being put in a position to fail by a stubborn oc who doesn't understand how to manage a game with more talent than the other team. This isn't the NFL and it's not Oregon State trying to beat USC.
You say that like it was a surprise. I am no expert and don't watch film but I knew a bubble screen was likely in that situation - that is what Langsdorf always in similar situations (where a power run is the obvious call to virtually anyone else). The DB knew it was coming. Rewatch the play- you can't really blame Morgan too much - the DB was "covering" him but immediately at the snap took off to jump the route. Just left Morgan by himself - but Stanley did not know what to do because he wasn't suppose to run a route on the play. Certainly Morgan would have expected the guy covering him to at least look at what he was doing when the ball snapped but that is not what happened. The DB knew exactly what was coming.
I wasn't surprised at all and I have mentioned how the defender read this play like a book in several threads after the game. I have been watching Langsdorf's play calling with a keen eye for the last three years so nothing surprises me at this point. See my posts/comments about playcalling, play concepts, and game management after the first two games of the season.
Let's hope it gets better. However there's too much of a track record at this point towards just being wishful thinking.
Why do we put guys in the game in critical situations who don't play much? Get those guys some looks on 1st and 2nd down. Don't wait until 3rd and long in a critical situation at the end of a game when they haven't had a snap all game.
They Knew Our OLine could not protect Tanner and their corners could man up our wideouts if we went deep.Again we may not play a better prepared and athletic secondary all year. I think a lot of people will struggle against that DE of theirs.Our OK , needed to play with passion and Fire and destroy them up the middle. Only way to move the ball and win game against a D like this is cut its heart ❤️ out up th middle. Oline failed us. I think only Wisconsin and Penn Stae and maybe Ohio State beat them the rest of the big ten looses Zone sixes receivers would have no chance against that secondary.
Thanks. I'll probably catch some flack for this but I think against a team with less mass up front, and who is dialing up all kinds of stunts and blitzes, you don't play patty cake. You go full on power football until they submit. Yes that means full back involvement. Look at the first play we actually ran with a FB. It was an Iso that went for 9 yards. Attack the heart of the defense and it will eventually stop beating.
Once you have them on their heels, It will open the PA game, as well as the 3 and 5 step passing game.
When you play teams with less talent and size its not about X's and O's. It really comes down to Jimmy's and Joe's. Unfortunately OC's, are their own worst enemy at times. Langsdorf consistently out thinks himself.
Thanks for weighing in over on the stupid side. Unfortunately DL tried to take what he thought they would give us instead of imposing our will on a smaller team. That doesn't work against most B1G teams but I sure think it might have Saturday.
Exactly. I dont think against Wisconsin you decide to run the ball behind a full back 50% of the game. But when you know your horses are bigger and stronger you use them. This offense can not function purely on drop back and token PA passing either. I think we need to move the pocket a bit more.
Unfortunately this team has more issues then just play calling and pass pro. Unless we start to play with some fire in our bellies, its going to be the worst husker season since the 60's possibly???? Its sad how far we have fallen.
I kept hoping we would make adjustments to neutralize their D pressure. I wished for draw plays and outlet passes to the RB like Burkhead during the Ohio State game comeback a few years ago.
Also wondered if running out of the Power I formation could help out our struggling line and jump start our running game.
the problem with the run game is that Northern Illinois put Nebraska in a numbers bind. The fix appears easy but for whatever reason wasn't fixed.
NIU simply outnumbered our guys on the weakside. they were 5 on 4 to the weakside every single time. Look at a video of any of the plays that were designed runs, split the oline down the center and count men on each side.
I don't necessarily have a problem with the play call that resulted in the 1st pick 6. I will have to look at the numbers on that particular play, but as was stated earlier, the outside DB made the play, not the DB lined up over DPE. Stanley needed to do something to get a bump on that dude. Even with just a little bump, he probably only breaks it up. There is no read to audible to Stanley on the fade. He is the lead blocker on the pass option and he has to block one of the DBs to that side and allow DPE to beat the other. That was just a good defensive read. When I look at the footage, I would bet that when they saw the formation, they loaded a guy in the box to get 6 or 7 in the box in order to dictate Lee to read pass, then jumped the route..
NIU simply outnumbered our guys on the weakside. they were 5 on 4 to the weakside every single time. Look at a video of any of the plays that were designed runs, split the oline down the center and count men on each side.
I don't necessarily have a problem with the play call that resulted in the 1st pick 6. I will have to look at the numbers on that particular play, but as was stated earlier, the outside DB made the play, not the DB lined up over DPE. Stanley needed to do something to get a bump on that dude. Even with just a little bump, he probably only breaks it up. There is no read to audible to Stanley on the fade. He is the lead blocker on the pass option and he has to block one of the DBs to that side and allow DPE to beat the other. That was just a good defensive read. When I look at the footage, I would bet that when they saw the formation, they loaded a guy in the box to get 6 or 7 in the box in order to dictate Lee to read pass, then jumped the route..
