Sure, I believe Riley will miraculously change his practices. You betcha....
Completely agree.I like what he said, but I don't think that is going to be the mentality, not on offense. That's not this staff's MO. If anything they seem to excel in the technical aspects of football and their offense and philosophy seem to reflect that.
Completely agree.
To me, this staff is more about finesse. I don't think things are as complicated as what Callahan did, but there is a degree of finesse to what they do. There have been times this year where I have seen a particular play here and there and just went "Wow, how did they draw that one up".
What they really need is the type of QB that can handle the mental aspects of the game. Not so much a super gifted athlete, which Tommy is, but the kind of guy that can see plays develop, instinctively know where his progressions are, and not necessarily think fast, but just kind of know, where to go with the ball.
In some ways, it's a mindset. When you go up to the line, are you only thinking about trying to hit player X on the deep route (this is TA), or is your mindset about visualizing the defensive formation, and instantly knowing how they are going to defend you, which linebacker is blitzing, or trying to fake you out, and what is the down and distance, and where is your mis-match on the pre read alignment.
To me, it's a lot like playing a video game. It happens so fast, you don't really have time to think much about all those different inputs, but just like a video game and with repetition, some guys can start to pick up on those things pretty quickly, to where it just becomes natural.
In short, you need a really intelligent guy back there with good decision making to make this go in Riley's system.
It's sickening to see those stats and agree, but you aren't going to change what the coaches mentality is. They have been doing it this way for how long? So the only real way to make improvement, is to get the type of guys in who can execute the style of play the coaches prefer.The mentality of the coaches has to change. Period. Here are season stats that somebody should share with Langsdorf because he simply does not get it.
On third/fourth down of three or less:
Passing: 5/26...19%
Rushing big backs (Cross and Jano): 11/13...85%
Let those numbers sink in. There were 21 drives that stalled this year because we have an offensive coordinator who thinks his cute pass plays will fool everyone instead of running the ball in the power game right at people when it is 3rd/4th and short. When we are so successful running on third and short, why the heck do we throw it twice as often as we run our big guys?
IMO having more physical practices than they have already will just lead to more injuries and we don't have the depth to deal with that. They scrimmage full go just as much as anybody. Its attitude not practice routine. TA's turnovers were the largest issues at the end of the year. Plain and simple.Haven't they put up a lot of points? TA misfires and maybe misbehaviors seem more the issue with O reaching full potential. D is progressing and some higher character level; Go Blackshirts. HCMR has stated the key to winning football is building dominant lines.
The numbers above show that Langs stupidity killed more drives than even Tommy's turnovers. We gave up the ball 21 times when passing on third/fourth and short.IMO having more physical practices than they have already will just lead to more injuries and we don't have the depth to deal with that. They scrimmage full go just as much as anybody. Its attitude not practice routine. TA's turnovers were the largest issues at the end of the year. Plain and simple.
The numbers above show that Langs stupidity killed more drives than even Tommy's turnovers. We gave up the ball 21 times when passing on third/fourth and short.
The mentality of the coaches has to change. Period. Here are season stats that somebody should share with Langsdorf because he simply does not get it.
On third/fourth down of three or less:
Passing: 5/26...19%
Rushing big backs (Cross and Jano): 11/13...85%
Let those numbers sink in. There were 21 drives that stalled this year because we have an offensive coordinator who thinks his cute pass plays will fool everyone instead of running the ball in the power game right at people when it is 3rd/4th and short. When we are so successful running on third and short, why the heck do we throw it twice as often as we run our big guys?
For 25 years under TO they ran physical practices. In the early 90s, they took a page out of Miami's practice book from the days of Miami's dominance and started running some 1s against 1s in practice. There were no more injuries than there are now, and we were much better game-time as a result. We rarely failed to finish off blocks or tackle guys to the ground in those days. I believe Solich ended some of the physical practices, and Callahan went to the no tackling in practice during the season NFL approach, which Pelini apparently continued (although maybe not quite to the extent of Callahan). Those changes in practice routine pretty much coincided with the rsie in our tackling and blocking issues. But draw your own conclusions. I have to agree with Matt. Coaches might not change their way, but we aren't going to see much improvement in finishing blocks and particularly in making good tackles without a change in practice routine. And, frankly, I think guys are more vulnerable to getting dinged up in games if they don't get used to making and taking hits in practice. But, maybe I'm just too old and set in my ways to see the genius of playing football without practicing the physicality of it.
This has been an actual issue for around 15 years. But it only ever matters when a narrative needs to be brought to light.
I have no want to engage you and your agenda. My statement was pretty damn clear. Carry on with whatever it is you think you need to say again and again.You think Matt is usuing this as a distraction to take attention away from another issue? I'd agree that he wouldn't bite the hand that feeds him since he works games for UNL on the radio.
This has been an actual issue for around 15 years. But it only ever matters when a narrative needs to be brought to light.
Keep facts out of this thread, Blotards don't like 'em.
I have no want to engage you and your agenda. My statement was pretty damn clear. Carry on with whatever it is you think you need to say again and again.
So was Tommy throwing those 21 passes or was it the OC? Do you know what the original play call was on all of those 21 plays and whether or not there was an audible? Do you know if the qb made the correct read on each of those 21 passes? Keep posting stats, it doesn't mean you know anything.The numbers above show that Langs stupidity killed more drives than even Tommy's turnovers. We gave up the ball 21 times when passing on third/fourth and short.
You are correct...and I am off here. I need a lashing. Actually, I was looking at our own defensive numbers when it comes to passing the ball on 3rd/4th down. We need huge kudos to Banker and the D here because we held other teams to 19%.Philosophy aside, your stats aren't correct.
Quickly going through game reports (which I'll admit means I could have made errors), I came up with 10/20 on 3rd and 3 or 4th and 3 passing conversions.
The actual conversion percentage on called pass plays is likely different than the 50% I found, because there were a lot of failed (and some successful) Tommy runs. From the final stats it wouldn't have been clear whether they were designed or scrambles.
Regardless, there were more than just 5 completions converting those downs throughout the year. Fyfe had 3 in the 3rd quarter of the Purdue game alone.
The mentality of the coaches has to change. Period. Here are season stats that somebody should share with Langsdorf because he simply does not get it.
On third/fourth down of three or less:
Passing: 5/26...19%
Rushing big backs (Cross and Jano): 11/13...85%
Let those numbers sink in. There were 21 drives that stalled this year because we have an offensive coordinator who thinks his cute pass plays will fool everyone instead of running the ball in the power game right at people when it is 3rd/4th and short. When we are so successful running on third and short, why the heck do we throw it twice as often as we run our big guys?
Newby was 0-3. Don't run him on 3rd and short. To Langs credit we did not see him in these situations in the 2nd half of the season.The stats do not tell a complete story. You left out the third and shorts with Newby. They didn't work. Some of those plays we may have thrown to save clock, especially since you brought in 4th down plays. Since no qualitative analysis of the plays was provided, as in last weeks game, maybe some of these were actually decent calls that didn't get executed. The conclusion you want to draw is that Langs doesn't get it. I am sympathetic to that to a degree, but I think it's just if not more likely that, at least in most cases, he sees something you don't.
What kind of depth did Tom have with the scholarship numbers he was working with at that time. I venture that he had a few more scholarship linebackers and DEs than we had this year that could play. And it nearly doomed one of his national title chances by banging his QBs up. Even Tom ran people with green jerseys. AND BTW we test for anabolic steroids now. No more "help" staying or getting healthy. Maybe Matt should apply for a job if he thinks he knows more than Riley.For 25 years under TO they ran physical practices. In the early 90s, they took a page out of Miami's practice book from the days of Miami's dominance and started running some 1s against 1s in practice. There were no more injuries than there are now, and we were much better game-time as a result. We rarely failed to finish off blocks or tackle guys to the ground in those days. I believe Solich ended some of the physical practices, and Callahan went to the no tackling in practice during the season NFL approach, which Pelini apparently continued (although maybe not quite to the extent of Callahan). Those changes in practice routine pretty much coincided with the rsie in our tackling and blocking issues. But draw your own conclusions. I have to agree with Matt. Coaches might not change their way, but we aren't going to see much improvement in finishing blocks and particularly in making good tackles without a change in practice routine. And, frankly, I think guys are more vulnerable to getting dinged up in games if they don't get used to making and taking hits in practice. But, maybe I'm just too old and set in my ways to see the genius of playing football without practicing the physicality of it.
Thats cool Matt, but it was a wee bit difficult to conduct physical practices this year with the ridiculous amount of injuries and lack of depth on the team.
He doesn't.So was Tommy throwing those 21 passes or was it the OC? Do you know what the original play call was on all of those 21 plays and whether or not there was an audible? Do you know if the qb made the correct read on each of those 21 passes? Keep posting stats, it doesn't mean you know anything.
The stat sheet doesn't lie. We nearly always made it on third and short with our big backs.He doesn't.
Recycled trash gonna recycled trash.How does this comment further football discussion on the thread?
You need to include the defensive set, the game situation and the players on the field for the defense for your stats to have adequate context. You obviously are going to run it more successfully in short yardage situations IF you think or know that the defense is susceptible to it by their personnel, set or the game situation. Stat sheets DO lie. IF you looked at the yardage and Time of possession stats from the Iowa game there's no way you would say they won.The stat sheet doesn't lie. We nearly always made it on third and short with our big backs.
He doesn't.
Such hilarity coming from you. You got completely smacked around so you ran to your buddy Damon. You used his tweet that said, "He didn't understand down & distance. Poor awareness. Not about reading a defense." You didn't even realize that Damon was saying the EXACT same thing I said earlier. Tommy's problem had nothing to do with "reading" that Carter would be open...he should have gone to him because of down and distance. Once you realized Damon and I were on the same page you went home with your tail between your legs.Pretty obvious from the 4th and 1 thread.
How does this comment address the thread topic? For example, do you have a reaction to why MD would be saying this as it pertains to our overall program?Recycled trash gonna recycled trash.
The stat sheet doesn't lie. We nearly always made it on third and short with our big backs.
For 25 years under TO they ran physical practices. In the early 90s, they took a page out of Miami's practice book from the days of Miami's dominance and started running some 1s against 1s in practice. There were no more injuries than there are now, and we were much better game-time as a result. We rarely failed to finish off blocks or tackle guys to the ground in those days. I believe Solich ended some of the physical practices, and Callahan went to the no tackling in practice during the season NFL approach, which Pelini apparently continued (although maybe not quite to the extent of Callahan). Those changes in practice routine pretty much coincided with the rsie in our tackling and blocking issues. But draw your own conclusions. I have to agree with Matt. Coaches might not change their way, but we aren't going to see much improvement in finishing blocks and particularly in making good tackles without a change in practice routine. And, frankly, I think guys are more vulnerable to getting dinged up in games if they don't get used to making and taking hits in practice. But, maybe I'm just too old and set in my ways to see the genius of playing football without practicing the physicality of it.