Corners...
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Just looked at the commits---the cupboard is bare at the moment. DL lookin' better tho.
Have you considered we might have good corners who were poorly coached?
I'm all for going after the best players at every position and better then what is on the roster across the board.
I sure hope they take a big step forward. I think there is talent there. Assuming that is true, it is still a thin position with just the number of scholarship bodies. Stovall was getting some spring game reps. Nothing against him, but quality walk-on CBs are a rarity. I hope he is there due to talent and not lack of depth.
One thing to keep in mind about getting the DB's/WR's. a number of the ones they are looking at are coastal kids who haven't seen campus yet.
Unless I forgot one somehow, we have yet to use a single official visit yet and all camp visitors paid their own way this year.
Gameday visits are a focus with this staff.
Unless I forgot one somehow, we have yet to use a single official visit yet and all camp visitors paid their own way this year.
Gameday visits are a focus with this staff.
Corners also get better when Dline and LBs get better.
This could be the “biggest “ group we have had at Nebraska. Lee at 210 lbs. Jackson and Jackson at 210 lbs+. Came Taylor at 200 lbs. Bootle the smallest, but fastest at 190 lbs.
True that. Corners are a lot better when they only have to defend for 3 - 5 seconds instead of 7 - 10 seconds.
That makes perfect sense. Thank God for the attacking defense we'll have.
Attacking defense - means you better have legit CB that don’t play 10 yards off. Big reward. Big plays the wrong way.
You know, that's an excellent point. What year was it that we had lockdown corners with Amukamara and...the other guy whose name escapes me? 2009 and 2010? I was just learning the more intricate fundamentals of football at the time, and my boss back then explained "Look, Pelini's defense makes the job of corners a hell of a lot easier." I think what he meant by that was, when you have Suh and Jared Crick as your DT's blowing up O-lines all the time, the job of a corner gets a lot easier because the quality of passes drops dramatically.
The thing with this staff is they look at guys with versatility to play both CB and S.
Tiawan Mullen - Probably at the top of the board, Visiting 9/1
Quinton Newsome - Visiting this weekend, probably a Safety at the next level, but could play CB
Joey Porter, Jr. - In his top 5, has the versatility the staff likes.
Jamel Starks - Not highly rated, but a guy the staff likes. When he visits, expect a commit
Javin Wright - Husker legacy, has the size to play Safety at the next level. Expect a commit when he visits as well
Tiawan Mullen - Probably at the top of the board, Visiting 9/1
Quinton Newsome - Visiting this weekend, probably a Safety at the next level, but could play CB
Joey Porter, Jr. - In his top 5, has the versatility the staff likes.
Jamel Starks - Not highly rated, but a guy the staff likes. When he visits, expect a commit
Javin Wright - Husker legacy, has the size to play Safety at the next level. Expect a commit when he visits as well
But who are we in the lead for? Best I can tell we need 3 CBs in 2019, I only see one two dudes that are in the top 100 CBs that we are even have a chance with and that is Joey Porter Jr and Taiwan Mullen. Then we have a shot with Javin Wright and Tavian Mayo. We almost have to bat 1000.
Certainly having to cover longer is not in the best interest of a CB. That is a no brainer. In this day in age of the spreads and quick passing games, QB's don't hold the ball long. I would submit that the corners actually need more and better skills in today's game rather than be protected by pass rush that can't get there quick enough. A good CB has be able to play more in space with the spreads, get into match ups with TE's, be able to handle the quick passing game which means being strong and not breaking down during the pattern. I think LB's and CB's, more that any other positions on D are instinctive and you have to have the body for them. A good LB sees everything in front of them and knows how to take the angles necessary to make plays. Good CB's have the hips to back up, turn, and run all the while playing with some physicality. They read everything in front of them including the LB's. The spread O's put much more pressure on the back 7 to make plays as well so you better be able to stay with a WR, TE, RB and come up and put the hit on a QB when trying to make a decision.
When coaching DB's, their ability to maintain their balance, break down coming out of a back or side peddle and stay with the WR determines how they play them. Even at that, when one got beat by a perfectly thrown ball, that is going to happen and not really anything you can do about that. And while I am here, we will hear at least a hundred thousand times this coming year to teach the DB's to turn and look for the ball. Geez, does anyone really know how hard that technique is? It is taught but it is really really difficult.
Edit: And one more thought to add - the "attacking" D you are speaking of by its nature takes chances and thus leaves vulnerable areas of the D. The obvious recipient of the exposure are D backs who must cover when the "attack" isn't successful. Its always a trade off. If you like pure attacking, look no further than one Cosgrove. He lived and died (mostly died) with the blitz. Watched a game of his last year and he is still doing it. amazing
When coaching DB's, their ability to maintain their balance, break down coming out of a back or side peddle and stay with the WR determines how they play them. Even at that, when one got beat by a perfectly thrown ball, that is going to happen and not really anything you can do about that. And while I am here, we will hear at least a hundred thousand times this coming year to teach the DB's to turn and look for the ball. Geez, does anyone really know how hard that technique is? It is taught but it is really really difficult.
Edit: And one more thought to add - the "attacking" D you are speaking of by its nature takes chances and thus leaves vulnerable areas of the D. The obvious recipient of the exposure are D backs who must cover when the "attack" isn't successful. Its always a trade off. If you like pure attacking, look no further than one Cosgrove. He lived and died (mostly died) with the blitz. Watched a game of his last year and he is still doing it. amazing
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Sure, we'll get burned some times with an attacking defense. Imo that still beats the horrible passive defense of last year by a country mile.
See, this is what I don't get - why is EVERYTHING compared to "last year?" I am talking football in general, not what happened last year - that doesn't provide a snap shot of conventional football.
Nope, corners jobs were much easier in Pelini’s defense in many circumstances...just speaking about responsibility and help, not about pass rush.
Playing safety vs teams that could actually run or pass...now that was an entirely different ballgame.
I’m very excited to see what Fisher can do with the CBs (and safeties) we got now. With the new guys coming in there will be better competition/depth.
Lamar Jackson is gonna have a breakout year or turn into a colossal recruiting bust. Let’s hope for the first option.
As for recruiting, I try to stay patient until signing day but we certainly need some talented CBs to get into the fold ASAP.
Lamar Jackson is gonna have a breakout year or turn into a colossal recruiting bust. Let’s hope for the first option.
As for recruiting, I try to stay patient until signing day but we certainly need some talented CBs to get into the fold ASAP.
Does anyone know if the defense plans on running a lot of Cover 3? There doesn't seem to be a lot of urgency by this staff to recruit a true cover corner, which is weird because it's also one of our weakest positions. If we ran cover 3, we could stick a safety over at the corner spot and probably be ok.
Better have an unreal FS if you plan on running a bunch of cover 3 vs today's offenses. Not sure Nebraska has that guy.
Taiwan Mullen, a cornerback out of Florida, may be our top CB prospect. Army All-American with strong interest in the huskers. Toby Wright's son Javin is another CB prospect (although with safety size) who's got a husker offer and mutual interest. There are a few others as well including a couple from Georgia who plan to visit (Jamel Starks/Tavian Mayo). That Quinton Newsome from GA is another CB/Safety prospect who visited this weekend I believe. Joey Porter's son is another highly recruited DB prospect who has interest in Nebraska.
In the immediate, the Tre Neal transfer allows us to move Deontai Williams to corner permanently if we want to. If nothing else, he'll likely play a lot more there after splitting time across both positions (and nickle) in the spring.
There's a lot of time left in this recruiting cycle. I have no doubt they'll be able to attract quality prospects at corner or any position for that matter. But they'll remain in constant pursuit of roster upgrades regardless of how things look on Signing Day.
There's a lot of time left in this recruiting cycle. I have no doubt they'll be able to attract quality prospects at corner or any position for that matter. But they'll remain in constant pursuit of roster upgrades regardless of how things look on Signing Day.
Yep. The attraction to be able to play right away will be huge. I think lost in all of this, is that I believe Bootle is going to be very good. Hopefully with a new scheme and less ego that Lamar can even be serrvicable, that we might not actually be that horrible in the secondary. Huge concern yes, and no real depth but I'm just ready to watch a game.
It is cliche, but I want to see what the coaching change actually does for us. There are many instances where all it takes is someone that knows what they are doing to complete a turnaround. Did our D look absolutely lost last year... Yes. I'd say most of that had everything to do with the awful coaching. Once these kids get some confidence, I think you'll see a big turnaround with all of our groups.
I think you'll see a big turnaround too simply as a result of better conditioning, scheme and fundamentals. But it also stuck me how many non-freshman new faces we have on defense alone...
ILB Will Honas
OLB Breon Dixon
CB/S Deontai Williams
CB Will Jackson
S Tre Neal
DL Vaha Vainuku
Vainuku is a wildcard since he's been out of the game so long, but there's probably three starters out of that group and the rest project as significant contributors at least.
I'm starting think our D could go from garbage to mildly salty overnight...
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