College Football Is Sick

[Solana Beach Husker]

I've been away from college football since December 2012, before that I went to 56 straight home games at Memorial Stadium...then the Bosephus ruined it for me. Anyway the first Husker game I've watched since was when we beat Memphis 62-55, what a game? Then Lord T.O was resurrected as Scott Frost, and I've dove head and tongue first back into the game. I've got a couple of thoughts watching the mental illness that is college football over the last couple weeks.

These things should be happening:
1. Signing day should be moved back to May 1st...(december grads still sign early based on waiver).
2. If a team fires a coach, or they leave, the new coach cannot have contact with the team until the day after the national title game. I feel terrible for UCF players...lose your beloved coach, watch him on t.v interviewing about his new team, lose all the rest of your coaches, meet new coaches, then get all of your old coaches back, just so they can train your new coaches, then play a TOP 10 SEC team in a major bowl. Frost should have been allowed to coach until January 1st...take a couple days off, then sign with Nebraska. Taggart and Jimbo should have finished the season with their teams...the student athletes get screwed by these supposed role models.
3. Buyouts! Paying a coach 15 million in buyouts is a ridiculous notion for a college football coach. Some say that it is the market but If a coach asked for 10 new virgins a week, the NCAA would regulate and say he only gets two, and they have to be boys. Why can't the NCAA cap contracts at 2-3 years, and limit buyouts to less than 3 million. A coach can leave at any time, but if they get fired, they still get paid? How many professions have that luxury? This again effects college athletes....when we pay for husker apparel or go to a husker game, how much of that money is going to Bo Pelini, or Mike Riley? We didn't get a stake in the decision, yet we pay for them to get fired and to be horrible at their jobs. Also, how many other sports at NU suffer because the football program has to absorb these horrible buyouts.

 

[meo1960]

I've been away from college football since December 2012, before that I went to 56 straight home games at Memorial Stadium...then the Bosephus ruined it for me. Anyway the first Husker game I've watched since was when we beat Memphis 62-55, what a game? Then Lord T.O was resurrected as Scott Frost, and I've dove head and tongue first back into the game. I've got a couple of thoughts watching the mental illness that is college football over the last couple weeks.

These things should be happening:
1. Signing day should be moved back to May 1st...(december grads still sign early based on waiver).
2. If a team fires a coach, or they leave, the new coach cannot have contact with the team until the day after the national title game. I feel terrible for UCF players...lose your beloved coach, watch him on t.v interviewing about his new team, lose all the rest of your coaches, meet new coaches, then get all of your old coaches back, just so they can train your new coaches, then play a TOP 10 SEC team in a major bowl. Frost should have been allowed to coach until January 1st...take a couple days off, then sign with Nebraska. Taggart and Jimbo should have finished the season with their teams...the student athletes get screwed by these supposed role models.
3. Buyouts! Paying a coach 15 million in buyouts is a ridiculous notion for a college football coach. Some say that it is the market but If a coach asked for 10 new virgins a week, the NCAA would regulate and say he only gets two, and they have to be boys. Why can't the NCAA cap contracts at 2-3 years, and limit buyouts to less than 3 million. A coach can leave at any time, but if they get fired, they still get paid? How many professions have that luxury? This again effects college athletes....when we pay for husker apparel or go to a husker game, how much of that money is going to Bo Pelini, or Mike Riley? We didn't get a stake in the decision, yet we pay for them to get fired and to be horrible at their jobs. Also, how many other sports at NU suffer because the football program has to absorb these horrible buyouts.

I know your thread is about money, but I take exception to grouping BO together with Riley.

Riley was Horrible. 4-8 is horrible. (I picked us to go 5-7, fwiw).
BO, was not horrible, just a bit temperamental you some of you guys.

If you wan't to group coaches together, better groupings would be
(Riley & Callahan) or (Solich & Pelini).

I think the only records, for futility, that Riley & Callahan didn't break, were the sellout streak and that would have been in jeopardy in 2018 if a change wasn't made.

 

[redfanusa]

Honestly, why even have all the verbal commitment, letter of intent, sit-out year transfer rule, blah blah blah nonsense? The NCAA has done what big, dumb, bloated bureaucracies do: made a simple process (selecting a college) unnecessarily complicated.

 

[TruHusker]

That's just what we want, the NCAA regulating more of college football. So if we hit the jackpot with Frost, we would be regulated in how much we can pay, how long a contract, etc? I do agree, it is a huge mess and the millions thrown around are ridiculous. If I hear "open the checkbook" one more time I think I will puke. How many teams did that and regret it? We opened it for Pretty Boy Floyd and look where that got us. People were happy that we paid an assistant 800K so that broke the glass ceiling. dumb

On the buyouts, those make total sense to me. They are written both ways BTW. If a coach leaves, he or someone has to pay. It is not unusual for someone to be fired and paid. We fired a school superintendent last year and paid him 200k to not work and he found another job and is probably making that and more. If he would have just left on his own he would have been owed nothing. It happens a lot, not just in football. It is called a contract. I used to teach college classes in school law and contracts so it is normal to me but maybe not everyone.

In the end, the NCAA may someday have to look at a salary cap. The handful of colleges that can chase and pay the handful of good coaches will always be at the top and everyone else sucking the hind one. That will just keep getting worse each year. Someday someone will suggest it to even out the field. Every team is playing for four places and that is it. That is a slim filed and for a team to get there regularly is doing something and raking in the cash.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

I know your thread is about money, but I take exception to grouping BO together with Riley.

Riley was Horrible. 4-8 is horrible. (I picked us to go 5-7, fwiw).
BO, was not horrible, just a bit temperamental you some of you guys.

If you wan't to group coaches together, better groupings would be
(Riley & Callahan) or (Solich & Pelini).

I think the only records, for futility, that Riley & Callahan didn't break, were the sellout streak and that would have been in jeopardy in 2018 if a change wasn't made.

I thought Bo was great until about 2011, and then he snapped and I realized he was only using us as a jumping board for Ohio State, and he failed. My main point is that Riley and Bo didn't build the program that is paying them so much. If all was fair they would be paying royalties to T.O, Devaney family, and all of the players from 1970-2001, those people built this addiction that is husker football. Bo, Cally, MR all got hired for a job they did not earn, and they got paid money from a system that they didn't create, and in most situations weakened. I would say a salary cap is fair, with bonuses for championships, graduation rate, and a percent on net growth.

So coach cap= 1 million + 1 million for conference championship +1 million for National Championship + 12% of net annual growth of program profits. The rest of the money is spent on facilities, assistants, recruiting instead of asking for "donations" from fans to hold seats or build facilities. Anybody else think it is ridiculous that Bo was paid 25 million during time here, but we need donations to improve facilities....

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Communist much?

Look, I get it, for example, I think firemen are as overpaid as possible but I also think they should take every freaking penny that they can. If I was a fireman I would want all I could get and more.

Same if I was a college coach or porn star.

 

[headcard]

Pelini was a bit temperamental, like WWII was a bit of a misunderstanding.

 

[Baxter48]

It was only a matter of time bo would have went all woody Hayes not a player but a referee he took a swing once with his cap just missed,a ticking time bomb. I also believe he was aiming for Ohio st, he made it back to Ohio but Youngstown st and no P5 took a sniff at him not even a desperate Tennessee

 

[cubsker]

Honestly, why even have all the verbal commitment, letter of intent, sit-out year transfer rule, blah blah blah nonsense? The NCAA has done what big, dumb, bloated bureaucracies do: made a simple process (selecting a college) unnecessarily complicated.

signing day is any day you want it to be. then let's see what offers are really true offers.

 

[huskerfan1414]

signing day is any day you want it to be. then let's see what offers are really true offers.

The problem with that is you would have freshmen in hs signing letters.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

Communist much?

Look, I get it, for example, I think firemen are as overpaid as possible but I also think they should take every freaking penny that they can. If I was a fireman I would want all I could get and more.

Same if I was a college coach or porn star.

Fireman are overpaid? What are fireman?

 

[oldjar07]

Honestly, why even have all the verbal commitment, letter of intent, sit-out year transfer rule, blah blah blah nonsense? The NCAA has done what big, dumb, bloated bureaucracies do: made a simple process (selecting a college) unnecessarily complicated.

That's what makes college football what it is. If it didn't have all those regulations, it wouldn't be college football, or at least it would look a lot different. The sit out a year transfer rule helps prevent mass transfers taking place during a coaching change, and prevents players from transferring just because they drop a spot on the depth chart. I don't think this rule is a bad one.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Fireman are overpaid? What are fireman?

So close

 

[jawatkins]

I've been away from college football since December 2012, before that I went to 56 straight home games at Memorial Stadium...then the Bosephus ruined it for me. Anyway the first Husker game I've watched since was when we beat Memphis 62-55, what a game? Then Lord T.O was resurrected as Scott Frost, and I've dove head and tongue first back into the game. I've got a couple of thoughts watching the mental illness that is college football over the last couple weeks.

These things should be happening:
1. Signing day should be moved back to May 1st...(december grads still sign early based on waiver).
2. If a team fires a coach, or they leave, the new coach cannot have contact with the team until the day after the national title game. I feel terrible for UCF players...lose your beloved coach, watch him on t.v interviewing about his new team, lose all the rest of your coaches, meet new coaches, then get all of your old coaches back, just so they can train your new coaches, then play a TOP 10 SEC team in a major bowl. Frost should have been allowed to coach until January 1st...take a couple days off, then sign with Nebraska. Taggart and Jimbo should have finished the season with their teams...the student athletes get screwed by these supposed role models.
3. Buyouts! Paying a coach 15 million in buyouts is a ridiculous notion for a college football coach. Some say that it is the market but If a coach asked for 10 new virgins a week, the NCAA would regulate and say he only gets two, and they have to be boys. Why can't the NCAA cap contracts at 2-3 years, and limit buyouts to less than 3 million. A coach can leave at any time, but if they get fired, they still get paid? How many professions have that luxury? This again effects college athletes....when we pay for husker apparel or go to a husker game, how much of that money is going to Bo Pelini, or Mike Riley? We didn't get a stake in the decision, yet we pay for them to get fired and to be horrible at their jobs. Also, how many other sports at NU suffer because the football program has to absorb these horrible buyouts.

You should go back to not caring and keeping your opinion to yourself.

 

[chipotlehusker]

You should go back to not caring and keeping your opinion to yourself.

It's fundamentally all about contract law and what the courts, all levels, interpret that to be....

 

[bshirt73]

I know your thread is about money, but I take exception to grouping BO together with Riley.

Riley was Horrible. 4-8 is horrible. (I picked us to go 5-7, fwiw).
BO, was not horrible, just a bit temperamental you some of you guys.

If you wan't to group coaches together, better groupings would be
(Riley & Callahan) or (Solich & Pelini).

I think the only records, for futility, that Riley & Callahan didn't break, were the sellout streak and that would have been in jeopardy in 2018 if a change wasn't made.

Exactly.

Bo & Frank were wayyyyyyyy, way better than Clownahan & MR to say the very least.

 

[TrueBigRedFan]

I know your thread is about money, but I take exception to grouping BO together with Riley.

Riley was Horrible. 4-8 is horrible. (I picked us to go 5-7, fwiw).
BO, was not horrible, just a bit temperamental you some of you guys.

If you wan't to group coaches together, better groupings would be
(Riley & Callahan) or (Solich & Pelini).

I think the only records, for futility, that Riley & Callahan didn't break, were the sellout streak and that would have been in jeopardy in 2018 if a change wasn't made.

I think you missed his point.

 

[Native Nebraskan]

If you want to blame someone, blame the AD’s and school administrators. These absobant salaries have occurred thanks to TV revenue. To AD’s this windfall gives them money that they don’t have to ask fans and deep pocket alumni to bail them out. A couple years ago Nebraska was getting $16m and this year they could get $50m.

 

[saluno22]

That's just what we want, the NCAA regulating more of college football. So if we hit the jackpot with Frost, we would be regulated in how much we can pay, how long a contract, etc? I do agree, it is a huge mess and the millions thrown around are ridiculous. If I hear "open the checkbook" one more time I think I will puke. How many teams did that and regret it? We opened it for Pretty Boy Floyd and look where that got us. People were happy that we paid an assistant 800K so that broke the glass ceiling. dumb

On the buyouts, those make total sense to me. They are written both ways BTW. If a coach leaves, he or someone has to pay. It is not unusual for someone to be fired and paid. We fired a school superintendent last year and paid him 200k to not work and he found another job and is probably making that and more. If he would have just left on his own he would have been owed nothing. It happens a lot, not just in football. It is called a contract. I used to teach college classes in school law and contracts so it is normal to me but maybe not everyone.

In the end, the NCAA may someday have to look at a salary cap. The handful of colleges that can chase and pay the handful of good coaches will always be at the top and everyone else sucking the hind one. That will just keep getting worse each year. Someday someone will suggest it to even out the field. Every team is playing for four places and that is it. That is a slim filed and for a team to get there regularly is doing something and raking in the cash.

Step One would be the P5 breaking off.

 

[cidsports]

I've been away from college football since December 2012, before that I went to 56 straight home games at Memorial Stadium...then the Bosephus ruined it for me. Anyway the first Husker game I've watched since was when we beat Memphis 62-55, what a game? Then Lord T.O was resurrected as Scott Frost, and I've dove head and tongue first back into the game. I've got a couple of thoughts watching the mental illness that is college football over the last couple weeks.

These things should be happening:
1. Signing day should be moved back to May 1st...(december grads still sign early based on waiver).
2. If a team fires a coach, or they leave, the new coach cannot have contact with the team until the day after the national title game. I feel terrible for UCF players...lose your beloved coach, watch him on t.v interviewing about his new team, lose all the rest of your coaches, meet new coaches, then get all of your old coaches back, just so they can train your new coaches, then play a TOP 10 SEC team in a major bowl. Frost should have been allowed to coach until January 1st...take a couple days off, then sign with Nebraska. Taggart and Jimbo should have finished the season with their teams...the student athletes get screwed by these supposed role models.
3. Buyouts! Paying a coach 15 million in buyouts is a ridiculous notion for a college football coach. Some say that it is the market but If a coach asked for 10 new virgins a week, the NCAA would regulate and say he only gets two, and they have to be boys. Why can't the NCAA cap contracts at 2-3 years, and limit buyouts to less than 3 million. A coach can leave at any time, but if they get fired, they still get paid? How many professions have that luxury? This again effects college athletes....when we pay for husker apparel or go to a husker game, how much of that money is going to Bo Pelini, or Mike Riley? We didn't get a stake in the decision, yet we pay for them to get fired and to be horrible at their jobs. Also, how many other sports at NU suffer because the football program has to absorb these horrible buyouts.

1. Basketball has had two signing periods for a long time. It is only fitting that Football has two, as well.
2. Coaching have been moving on prior to bowls for years. Nothing new and quite frankly, it is part of the migration each season.
3. Look at Texas A&M for the Buyout of all Buyouts or Arkansas' AD. fwiw

 

[meo1960]

I thought Bo was great until about 2011, and then he snapped and I realized he was only using us as a jumping board for Ohio State, and he failed. My main point is that Riley and Bo didn't build the program that is paying them so much. If all was fair they would be paying royalties to T.O, Devaney family, and all of the players from 1970-2001, those people built this addiction that is husker football. Bo, Cally, MR all got hired for a job they did not earn, and they got paid money from a system that they didn't create, and in most situations weakened. I would say a salary cap is fair, with bonuses for championships, graduation rate, and a percent on net growth.

So coach cap= 1 million + 1 million for conference championship +1 million for National Championship + 12% of net annual growth of program profits. The rest of the money is spent on facilities, assistants, recruiting instead of asking for "donations" from fans to hold seats or build facilities. Anybody else think it is ridiculous that Bo was paid 25 million during time here, but we need donations to improve facilities....

I couldn't agree more with your financial argument.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

1. Basketball has had two signing periods for a long time. It is only fitting that Football has two, as well.
2. Coaching have been moving on prior to bowls for years. Nothing new and quite frankly, it is part of the migration each season.
3. Look at Texas A&M for the Buyout of all Buyouts or Arkansas' AD. fwiw

This stuff is all bad for student athletes and it doesn't need to happen. The early signing period is just an advantage for programs in the hot spots because a limited recruiting season means being close to talent is better. Letting coaches screw over their teams is something that doesn't need to happen either. If you sign a contract for the 2017 season, you need to coach until the final game of the season, and the NCAA needs to make the final game the national title game. And of course buyouts are a creation of the power 5 to make sure that expensive coach could never move to a smaller conference or team. We limit scholarships, # of visits, who can go on visits, who can pay for visits, partial qualifiers, greyshirts, walk-ons, # of coaches, time with coaches...these are regulations that are meant to keep teams liek Alabama in power. We can certainly regulate buyouts, when coaches can quit or be fired, and signing day.

 

[cidsports]

There are football players that will opt for the February signing date.

Players sign in April for basketball too.

Yes, there has been an acceleration in the arms race for some time.

The early signing period for football players is a positive and many players are applauding it.