Clouse on the recruiting end game

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Why is it so hard then to just say who it is he used to be if you're so sure?

Oh look. Another stalker! Glad I could get your day off on the right path.

Take a deep breath guys, those veins in your foreheads are ready to burst.

 

[inWV]

Another number comparison that can be criticized. Finals rankings for selected top 20 teams, that team's average rivals rankings from 2014-17, with the current rivals rank in parens. What can be concluded? Teams that compete for the title have top ten classes, not surprising. But there are top 10 teams (of course including UCF) and top 15 teams that don't recruit any better than NU or consistently do not match NU.
Pretty jazzed up about how Frost and the staff are working the recruiting trail, but I think we have enough talent on the roster now to be a top 20 team. We will see if the success Frost and his staff had coaching the UCF squad translates to Lincoln.
1 Alabama 1.25 (9)
2 Georgia 6.25 (1)
3 Oklahoma 13 (6)
6 UCF 61.5 (84)
7 Wisconsin 35 (35)
9 TCU 36.25 (27)
10 Auburn 9.5 (7)
14 Oklahoma State 33.5 (28)
15 Michigan State 23.75 (23)
16 Washington 31.5 (10)
Nebraska 29.25 (21)

 

[SnohomishRed]

You gathered this from having been a member here for all of 3 weeks? Impressive!

Seriously, if you don’t mind my asking, Who were you before?

There are a lot of people on the board and in this thread you could ask that same question of

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

There are a lot of people on the board and in this thread you could ask that same question of

But "they just joined". Careful, you will rack up a few stalkers if you are not cautious. ELE, or the board police are gonna get ya

 

[davecisar]

Yep
And unlike with Mike Riley
This coaching staff had to coach a bowl game with the team they were leaving so only part time
And we're recruiting to a team that had only won 4 games the previous year and 2 losing seasons in last 3 years

Smilin Mike and company were going through yet another losing season and were able to start right away
And we're recruiting to a team that had won 9/10 games for 7 consecutive years

One situation is much harder to recruit to than the other- fair minds agree

So going from number 30 to 19 or 20 comparatively would be very substantial

Another number comparison that can be criticized. Finals rankings for selected top 20 teams, that team's average rivals rankings from 2014-17, with the current rivals rank in parens. What can be concluded? Teams that compete for the title have top ten classes, not surprising. But there are top 10 teams (of course including UCF) and top 15 teams that don't recruit any better than NU or consistently do not match NU.
Pretty jazzed up about how Frost and the staff are working the recruiting trail, but I think we have enough talent on the roster now to be a top 20 team. We will see if the success Frost and his staff had coaching the UCF squad translates to Lincoln.
1 Alabama 1.25 (9)
2 Georgia 6.25 (1)
3 Oklahoma 13 (6)
6 UCF 61.5 (84)
7 Wisconsin 35 (35)
9 TCU 36.25 (27)
10 Auburn 9.5 (7)
14 Oklahoma State 33.5 (28)
15 Michigan State 23.75 (23)
16 Washington 31.5 (10)
Nebraska 29.25 (21)

There are a handful of outliers- due to a variety of factors, primarily elite coaching. However from a macro level- you cant argue with the predictable results that good recruiting produces:
"Power 5 teams that finish outside the Top 20 in recruiting have a lower than 18 percent chance of fielding Top 20 teams and just a 6.7 percent chance of reaching the Top 10."
https://www.sbnation.com/college-fo...6/national-signing-day-rankings-ncaa-football

YOu can fight that current and argue for outliers all you want- but to consistently be an elite level power 5 program in 2018- the odds show- you have to do a pretty good job of recruiting.

 

[HuskerO]

Funny, seems like he struck a nerve here.

davecisar struck a nerve of steelclaw? Guess I don't see it in steelclaw's response.

 

[inWV]

YOu can fight that current and argue for outliers all you want- but to consistently be an elite level power 5 program in 2018- the odds show- you have to do a pretty good job of recruiting.

Certainly not arguing for Frost to stand pat in terms of where NU stands in the recruiting pecking order. In order to compete for the big hardware better recruiting is a must. But what I am seeing is a good handful of teams such as Wisco, Okie St, MSU, and TCU that routinely populate the top 20 whose recruiting classes year-to year only match or fail to match NU's. I doubt Frost is going to wait for NU's recruiting stat sheet to be eye popping before fielding a much more competitive team. And given NU's inherent disadvantages in terms of recruiting (not cold, but geographic plus population density), it may never recruit at the rate of the southeastern schools. But the team in Madison rarely matches NU in terms or rivals finish (league average of 7 over the past 6 years, compared to 4 for NU), yet consistently fields teams that can slug it out with the best of the league. They will again land a class in the 30s. But they know what they want, they coach that talent to their system, and they compete on Saturdays. There is not reason that NU cannot do the same with even better talent.

 

[davecisar]

It seems you go out of your way to be critical here. Obviously this year's class just a single data point. Nebraska has been a second tier (16-30) program in terms of recruiting for years, with a Rivals average going back to Bo's transition class of 24.4. The last two transition classes were at the higher end of NU's range (30 and 31). Frost's transition class has the potential to sneak just inside the top 20. A finish of 20 would tie for the third best NU class in the past decade and tie for the fourth best NU class in the Rivals online database. Callahan's transition class was 27th.
I see an excellent effort the staff, with a substantial improvement over the transition efforts of the last three coaches. Whether this group of recruiters can move the program into the top tier is something we won't know for a couple of years.

The facts are the facts
If you want to compare how Frost is doing, you have to have some data points

Otherwise you are just going off the often wrong, poorly informed, "intuition", feel or emotional guesses.

Some data points we have now
At NEBRASKA- in the transition year;
Riley- Rivals ranked #31
Pelini- Rivals ranked #30

Frost- most likely #20

THis isnt a one or 2 spot jump, it's a SIGNIFICANT improvement in year 1, the only year we can really look at right now. Especially when you look at where NU was at prior to each coach coming in. Frost did this taking over a 4 win team- who could have easily been a 1-2 win team and had 2 losing seasons in 3 while coaching another team. Riley landed in much softer landing pad to recruit to- 7 consecutive 9/10 win years. Pelini took over mixed bag- 2 losing seasons in 4 but much closer to years NU was still relevant and winning.

Recruiting class # 3 is usually where the big jump in recruiting happens, when the staff has two full years to develop relationships and their networks. Im guessing NU will also be recruiting to a team that will show more than 4 weak wins and fewer blowout losses.
Bo went from #30 to #22
Riley went from #31 to #20
So both had fairly similar results- moved up 8-11 spots

So if Frost were to do the same- move up 8 to 11 spots, that would put NU in the #9 or #12 ball park- which Im guessing most fellas would be very happy with. Recruiting isnt everything- but the stats say it definitely matters.

 

[FeelingFrosty]

He's been very butthurt and negative since Riley got fired and Frost got hired. It obviously will take some time for his fragile ego to get over. Tuco kinda jumped the shark here the past few months.

Also interesting that he disappears for much of the season but posts nearly everyday during the off season.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Oh look. Another stalker! Glad I could get your day off on the right path.

Take a deep breath guys, those veins in your foreheads are ready to burst.

stalker?
Says the guy who knows so much about a poster he supposedly knows he has a former screen name!!! Haha man every time you type you become more and more of a hypocrite!!

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

Sure thing