Callahan recruiting

[JHball]

Everyone on here thinks Callahan was some great recruiter. Hauled in all these 4 and 5 star kids and is the only reason the old staff ever won. Someone did something similar for 2011-2013 so I thought I would do it for Callahan from 2005-2007:

2005
Harrison Beck- 4* bust
Zack Bowman- 5* played a lot but in the system not overly effective, of course, no one was
Chris Brooks- 4* bust
Jordan Congdon- 3* bust
Nick Covey- 3* bust
Barry Cryer- 3* bust
Ola Dagunduro- 4* starter
Phil Dillard-4* starter
Wallace Franklin- 3* bust
Cody Glenn-3* sparingly played position he was recruited for. Finally moved to LB where he flourished
Frantz Hardy- 4* played a lot but no better than a walk on
David Harvey- 2* bust
Jacob Hickman- 3* bust
Brodrick Hunter- 3* bust
Leon Jackson- 4* bust
Marlon Lucky- 5* started and played a ton
Dontrell Moore- 3* bust
Steve Octavian- 4* played a lot of LB
Brock Pasteur- 2* bust
Jordan Picou-2* bust
Rodney Picou- 4* bust
Zach Potter- 4* starter
Robert Rands- 2*-bust
Craig Roark- 3* bust
Matt Slauson- no rating. starter and still playing
Jeff Souder- no rating, never played
Tyrell Spain- 3* bust
Suh- 4*- nothing needs to be said
Zac Taylor- 3* a guy we could use right now
Barry Turner- 3* played enough to not call him a bust
Bryan Wilson- 2* bust

That's 19 of 32 recruits that never did anything. 2006 to follow

 

[JHball]

2006
Pierre Allen- 3* starter
Steve Allen- 3* bust
Cruz Barret- 3* bust
Major Culbert- 3* bust
Victory Haines- 3* bust
Ricky Henry- 3* starter
Will Henry- 3* bust
Menelik Holt- 3* bust
Seth Jensen- 3* bust
Brandon Johnson- 3* bust
Andre Jones- 5*- played a lot but nothing exciting. Up to you whether he's a bust or not
DJ Jones- 4* started some
Ben Martin- 2* bust
Mike McNeil- 3* starter until injury
Carl Nicks- 4* starter
Maurice Purify- 4* starter
Mike Smith- 3* started
Ricky Thenarse- 4* played a lot of special teams but never a full time starter. bust
Anthony West- 3* started some but couldn't keep his job. bust
Keith Williams- 3* played a little
Kenny Wilson- 4* TV. bust
Corey Young- 3* bust

So that's 13/22 that were outright busts, 1 that never saw his potential due to injury and 3 that played but never had a real impact.

 

[JHball]

2007
Prince Amakamara-3* starter and stud
Larry Asante-4* starter
Shukree Barfield- 3* bust
Anthony Blue- 3* bust
Jaivorio Burkes- 4* bust
Quentin Castille- 4* bust
Jared Crick- 3* starter
Demetrious Davis- 3* bust
Kevin Dixon- 4* bust
Curenski Gilleylen- 3* starter
Eric Hagg- 3* starter
Roy Helu- 3* starter and stud
Ryan Hill- 3* bust
Marcel Jones- 3* starter
Adi Kunalic- 2* bust. You recruit kickers to punt or make field goals, not kick off
Blake Lawrence- 4* bust
Zac Lee- 4* starter then injured
Marcus Mendoza-3* bust
Terrence Moore- 3* starter with injuries
Armando Murillo- 4* started some but no real impact
Niles Paul- 4* starter
Austin Stafford- 3* bust
Shawn Sullivan- 3* bust
Joseph Townsend- 4* bust
Patrick Witt- 3* bust
William Yancy- 4* bust

15/27 were busts and 3 others had little impact.

 

[St. Anger]

I'd like to see another comparison from other teams. Not asking, just wondering if the "bust" ratio is similar at other schools with top-10 classes.

 

[Mr.Scary13]

The guy had a top 5 class coming in until he was fired.....

 

[StrongArm517]

The guy had a top 5 class coming in until he was fired.....[/QUOTE

Would have loved to see that play out with a different D coordinator

 

[KaptainQ]

The guy had a top 5 class coming in until he was fired.....

can't argue that.

 

[jimbosc]

The bust ratio may have been similar but I think BC was better at managing the numbers than BP - Riley is facing more depth issues than Pelini had in his first season. Although defense was not much better BPs first season - yes he had Suh but had to scramble in many other positions. Maybe Pelini had a bit more luck in terms of injuries as well (at least that first season).

 

[huskerssalts]

The year he was fired he had Baker Stienkuhler 5 star OL, Blaine Gabbert 5 star QB, Trevor Robinson 4 star rivals top 100 OL, Jonas Grey 4 star rivals top 100 RB and i believe we Brice Givens 4 star rivals top 100 OL.

This was the top 100 guys we had up till the moment her was fired. I believe there was at least 4 other rivals top 250 4 star guys we had as well. You see now why i wished we kept the guy one more yeat, the recruiting class its self was worth it.

 

[huskerssalts]

The only thing Bo had to scamble for e was maybe to get guys in more natural positions. He had the talent and depth in every position, the just needed a decent scheme put in place. Im sorry if Callahan would hired any type of defense co, he wouldnt have gotten fired. But i do bet he would of bolted back to the NFL reguardless at some point, just a lot more sought out being the difference.

 

[HuskerO]

The year he was fired he had Baker Stienkuhler 5 star OL, Blaine Gabbert 5 star QB, Trevor Robinson 4 star rivals top 100 OL, Jonas Grey 4 star rivals top 100 RB and i believe we Brice Givens 4 star rivals top 100 OL.

This was the top 100 guys we had up till the moment her was fired. I believe there was at least 4 other rivals top 250 4 star guys we had as well. You see now why i wished we kept the guy one more yeat, the recruiting class its self was worth it.

We also had 4* Dan Hoch and Doug Rippy (even though a 3* was decently recruited).

 

[ellobo]

I'd like to see another comparison from other teams. Not asking, just wondering if the "bust" ratio is similar at other schools with top-10 classes.

I've never checked the numbers from my school to see if it lines up but I've been told (from a couple college coaches themselves) that in an average class they expect a third to be big contributors (multi year starters), a third to be contributors (2 deep and special teams guys who maybe start some at the end of their career) and a third to do little if anything in their career. Of course that ratio can still be true and a class can be bad because the team doesn't win (you have to put players on the field even if you suck)...but the point is that a class can still be considered a success with as third of it being "busts" and anothe third of it being just ok.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

Coincidentally, once Callahan recruits were gone, so were the conference championship games.

 

[roseyloper]

Coincidentally, once Callahan recruits were gone, so were the conference championship games.

#BOOM
#Process

 

[jflores]

Coincidentally, once Callahan recruits were gone, so were the conference championship games.

Be pretty funny if Riley fired read and hired Cally as a recruiter and run game coordinator. Then Langs is the qb guru and oc.

People would shit their pants but it'll never happen. So crazy it just might work

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

Be pretty funny if Riley fired read and hired Cally as a recruiter and run game coordinator. Then Langs is the qb guru and oc.

People would shit their pants but it'll never happen. So crazy it just might work

Buddy of mine last year so we should've kept Bo on, as special teams coach. Let him turn down the job and use that against him to not pay the balance of his contract. I'm pretty sure he was joking, not sure, but it was funny.

 

[CameronKrazie86]

Following recruiting was a lot more "fun" back then too. It was exciting seeing Nebraska involved with so many top prospects and then seeing them commit. It gave you real hope for the future even though we all knew deep down that Cosgrove wasn't going to work out. Callahan and his staff's recruiting is why I've never bought that you can't get top players here and why it frustrated me so much with Bo's attitude towards it.

 

[KaptainQ]

Following recruiting was a lot more "fun" back then too. It was exciting seeing Nebraska involved with so many top prospects and then seeing them commit. It gave you real hope for the future even though we all knew deep down that Cosgrove wasn't going to work out. Callahan and his staff's recruiting is why I've never bought that you can't get top players here and why it frustrated me so much with Bo's attitude towards it.

I loved following recruiting during the Callahan years. Really lost its luster under Bo. Was definitely hoping it would pick up more under Riley than it has.

 

[leodisflowers]

Coincidentally, once Callahan recruits were gone, so were the conference championship games.

When do you think the recruiting will pick up this year? I think the structure in place is good, and we are beginning to get mentions, but when do you think we will see some results?

 

[JHball]

The year he was fired he had Baker Stienkuhler 5 star OL, Blaine Gabbert 5 star QB, Trevor Robinson 4 star rivals top 100 OL, Jonas Grey 4 star rivals top 100 RB and i believe we Brice Givens 4 star rivals top 100 OL.

This was the top 100 guys we had up till the moment her was fired. I believe there was at least 4 other rivals top 250 4 star guys we had as well. You see now why i wished we kept the guy one more yeat, the recruiting class its self was worth it.

So you think we should have kept BC? Also, we have no idea if those guys would have left anyway. If you remember, the season was spiraling out of control and these guys were looking around anyway.

 

[NikkiSixx]

Coincidentally, once Callahan recruits were gone, so were the conference championship games.

This

 

[ellobo]

When do you think the recruiting will pick up this year? I think the structure in place is good, and we are beginning to get mentions, but when do you think we will see some results?

Can't speak directly to your school's situation but in general...for the bigger name guys unless a kid is a battle between you and one or two schools don't expect them to drop until after their hs season. If they didn't commit prior to the season they are usually committed to taking most of not all their officials. There just are not enough free weekends for kids to get those in while concentrating on their own season.

Now of course there is a chance a kid is blown away on an official and as mentioned if it's a battle between a couple schools (even if that kid claims he will also visit other schools it is not uncommon to visit favorites and decide before taking the rest of the visits)...but this time of year Its just as cool in if not more to land kids who your coaches re-evaluate based on midyear senior film and offer (or even lose a kid because he gets that other offer he had been waiting for)...and the majority of times while that kid can turn out to be great they usually aren't the type that makes fans go gaga (e.g. they aren't 4/5*s with tons of offers)

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

When do you think the recruiting will pick up this year? I think the structure in place is good, and we are beginning to get mentions, but when do you think we will see some results?

We'll fill the class, and I stand strong it'll be a top 25 class, closer to 20. As far as picking it up, we have a pretty big weekend coming up, assuming all visit, with uncommitted prospects. To answer your question though, I can't as I don't know when it'll start resulting in commits.

I know many say "first year is the recruiting bump", but I've never believed in that unless pieces were in place with prior holdover. Pretty sure I commented on this a long time ago but I look at the 2017 class as "the class". If the 2016 class ends up in the top 25, with a good average star rating, that will please me for this class. What hurts this class, at least for me at this point, is our lack of true edge rusher but I'm wondering if that has to deal more with changes coming on the defensive scheme than anything else. (pure speculation on my part). Really excited with the inside OL guys we have.

 

[ellobo]

We'll fill the class, and I stand strong it'll be a top 25 class, closer to 20. As far as picking it up, we have a pretty big weekend coming up, assuming all visit, with uncommitted prospects. To answer your question though, I can't as I don't know when it'll start resulting in commits.

I know many say "first year is the recruiting bump", but I've never believed in that unless pieces were in place with prior holdover. Pretty sure I commented on this a long time ago but I look at the 2017 class as "the class". If the 2016 class ends up in the top 25, with a good average star rating, that will please me for this class. What hurts this class, at least for me at this point, is our lack of true edge rusher but I'm wondering if that has to deal more with changes coming on the defensive scheme than anything else. (pure speculation on my part). Really excited with the inside OL guys we have.

In regards to the first year bump I think historically it had been true but over the last few years it has become less so because of how extended (to earlier in a kids HS career) the recruiting process has become...it's not that schools didn't start relationships with kids early in the past but now it's to the point that if you don't have a solid relationship with a kid BY his junior year you are playing from way behind. Thus, your point of prior holdovers...unless there are already prior relationships from them or ones your staff brings in with them it is now more of a second year bump imo.

 

[jflores]

We'll fill the class, and I stand strong it'll be a top 25 class, closer to 20. As far as picking it up, we have a pretty big weekend coming up, assuming all visit, with uncommitted prospects. To answer your question though, I can't as I don't know when it'll start resulting in commits.

I know many say "first year is the recruiting bump", but I've never believed in that unless pieces were in place with prior holdover. Pretty sure I commented on this a long time ago but I look at the 2017 class as "the class". If the 2016 class ends up in the top 25, with a good average star rating, that will please me for this class. What hurts this class, at least for me at this point, is our lack of true edge rusher but I'm wondering if that has to deal more with changes coming on the defensive scheme than anything else. (pure speculation on my part). Really excited with the inside OL guys we have.

What defensive changes?

 

[Big Red Menace]

The guy had a top 5 class coming in until he was fired.....

Those top-rated classes came at a price though as we were headed for probation with John Blake leading the way. That guy was trouble every place he coached. People finally got smart and he hasn't worked since the North Carolina issues.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

What defensive changes?

Schematic. I had reported on here prior to spring ball I could see the staff changing the base to a 3-4. How we're recruiting that side of the ball somewhat supports that.

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

Schematic. I had reported on here prior to spring ball I could see the staff changing the base to a 3-4. How we're recruiting that side of the ball somewhat supports that.

That would help with the rush end then...considering most high school ends are way undersized...Nebraska could make them into the hybrid position.

 

[jflores]

Schematic. I had reported on here prior to spring ball I could see the staff changing the base to a 3-4. How we're recruiting that side of the ball somewhat supports that.

Is this a reflection of Hughes input? Very intriguing

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

Is this a reflection of Hughes input? Very intriguing

Alvarez told Eichorst, Eichorst told Riley, Riley told Banker.

 

[JHball]

Coincidentally, once Callahan recruits were gone, so were the conference championship games.

Except for 2012. That game was much worse in person btw

 

[jflores]

Alvarez told Eichorst, Eichorst told Riley, Riley told Banker.

Your messing with my mind Tim !

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

Except for 2012.

There were still BC recruits/commits on the team and playing. Yes, I know, Bo signed them.

 

[huskerssalts]

Do i think we should of kept Callahn? Idk, but i was sayin i wished we kept him 1 more year at least and forced him to fire Coz and hire a good DC.

Our record at the time was trash anyways, and those guys still committed. If Cally stayed, i do bet all those guys stayed. Are offense showed promise, we just lacked that elite QB to run it and Cally had that Elite QB in Gabbert.

 

[JHball]

Do i think we should of kept Callahn? Idk, but i was sayin i wished we kept him 1 more year at least and forced him to fire Coz and hire a good DC.

Our record at the time was trash anyways, and those guys still committed. If Cally stayed, i do bet all those guys stayed. Are offense showed promise, we just lacked that elite QB to run it and Cally had that Elite QB in Gabbert.

I'm not sure Gabbert or Robinson would have stayed regardless. Steinkuhler was coming no matter what. Would have loved to see Jonas Gray in red

 

[JHball]

The only thing Bo had to scamble for e was maybe to get guys in more natural positions. He had the talent and depth in every position, the just needed a decent scheme put in place. Im sorry if Callahan would hired any type of defense co, he wouldnt have gotten fired. But i do bet he would of bolted back to the NFL reguardless at some point, just a lot more sought out being the difference.

I would hardly say he had the depth at every position. 60% of those guys were busts.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

We'll fill the class, and I stand strong it'll be a top 25 class, closer to 20. As far as picking it up, we have a pretty big weekend coming up, assuming all visit, with uncommitted prospects. To answer your question though, I can't as I don't know when it'll start resulting in commits.

I know many say "first year is the recruiting bump", but I've never believed in that unless pieces were in place with prior holdover. Pretty sure I commented on this a long time ago but I look at the 2017 class as "the class". If the 2016 class ends up in the top 25, with a good average star rating, that will please me for this class. What hurts this class, at least for me at this point, is our lack of true edge rusher but I'm wondering if that has to deal more with changes coming on the defensive scheme than anything else. (pure speculation on my part). Really excited with the inside OL guys we have.

@jflores you're always looking for something, it's in there, along with the timing...

@leodisflowers @HuskerO

 

[jflores]

@jflores you're always looking for something, it's in there, along with the timing...

@leodisflowers @HuskerO

Not sure I understand this latest post, but I'll re look at it.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

@jflores @leodisflowers @HuskerO

I believe the silent commit just left the door.

 

[jflores]

I believe the silent commit just left the door.

Thanks. At all worried about finding a replacement?