Blue-chip ratio

[BleedRed78]

they won't....it wins too many games.

To do that, we'd need to always be at least as good on defense as we were last year (need better actually, which is harder to do these days) and spotless special teams. We've got much work to do if we were to go that route as we did the Iowa game last season - case in point.

I know many would argue that it'd be easier to develop a fairly high octane offense, similar defense as last year, and actually improve the special teams unit to at least be middle of the pack and not one of the worst in the nation.

 

[TruHusker]

Bring back the option

The tried and true pat answer.

By option, I assume the system Nebraska ran in the past and not the current spread option?

If it worked wouldn't everyone be doing it?

 

[WHCSC]

The tried and true pat answer.

By option, I assume the system Nebraska ran in the past and not the current spread option?

If it worked wouldn't everyone be doing it?

It works BECAUSE everyone wasn't doing it

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

It works BECAUSE everyone wasn't doing it

not sure it works at all.

 

[NikkiSixx]

I have a problem comparing how Tom learned from mistakes compared to Frost.

Tom couldn't beat the Miami and Florida State teams along with OU but he killed pretty much everyone else. Yet, he did make changes offensively, defensively and with improved personnel, many if the same assistant coaches.

Frost has posted 3 win seasons with wins over powerhouses such as Buffalo, Bethune, and Fordham. Throw in one big season of 4 wins. Consistently had the worst special teams in the country and didn't develop talent at many key positions.

Tell me those two pictures are the same. They are not even close.

The point being made is that it takes years to actually learn from mistakes.. when an asshat like Frost is so stubborn, it takes even longer for them to even admit that they made a mistake in the first place.

TO was always looking for input, even listening to radio announcers 'in game'.

Frost thinks he knows it all, and the fact that he was a star athlete, makes it even harder for him to get over his own ego.

 

[oldjar07]

That is too simplistic and a bit revisionist. Osborne's success using that recruiting formula was similar to what Wisconsin and Iowa have now, until the early 90's. At that point there was more emphasis placed on getting better players from around the country.

This is a bit revisionist as well. Nebraska had good players recruited from the 80s, that's why they did so well. Shields, Croel, Clark, Parella, Weigert, Broderick Thomas. The major difference in the mid-90s was the emphasis on skill players, especially the qb position, and also more skilled players in the secondary.

Wisconsin has had a great defense, great running backs, good offensive line, and even solid receivers even while never coming close to approaching the "blue chip ratio." The major ingredient they've been missing is a good qb. If Wisconsin had a good qb in the 2016 and 2017 seasons, they would have made the playoffs and likely held their own. Even in some later seasons, a quality qb could have made all the difference and got them to playoff contention. There's no reason we can't do something similar here. In fact, we had a better version of Wisconsin's program in the 80s and add good qb play which we found in the 90s led to multiple championships. I think we can recruit better, I think we can build a better program here than they have at Wisconsin, but it all starts with coaching. Recruits aren't going to want to come here if they can't develop and improve their draft stock while they're in college.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, everyday would be Christmas.

 

[Redmich]

we reinvent the recruit analysis process using a tool that is super secret
we identify 3 stars that other programs don't want but we know are going to turn into all-pros
we get all of these players to commit to DONU
we sprinkle in a heaping portion of walkons (that F#$%^ing blue-chip ratio doesn't measure heart)
we start running the option

before Alabama and Georgia and the rest of college football wakes up it will be too late

 

[oldjar07]

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts, everyday would be Christmas.

And if you had an ounce of intelligence, you would understand the point. The point is Wisconsin was one player short of making the playoffs multiple times over the last decade. That if they had that one player, would have had a decent shot in the playoff and winning it all. That player didn't have to be a 5 star either, there's plenty of good 3 and 4 star qb's out there. But Wisconsin's never had a championship caliber qb, let alone a good qb. Wisconsin has been an elite team everywhere besides that one player, and that makes all the difference. The example of Wisconsin alone disproves the blue chip theory. Wisconsin has recruited worse than us, and yet they've had a playoff caliber team everywhere besides the qb position. They've never been close to meeting the blue chip ratio. There have been multiple teams that have been in the playoffs who weren't at the blue chip ratio. There is no proof whatsoever that being at the blue chip ratio is a requirement to win a championship.

 

[Redmich]

And if you had an ounce of intelligence, you would understand the point. The point is Wisconsin was one player short of making the playoffs multiple times over the last decade. That if they had that one player, would have had a decent shot in the playoff and winning it all. That player didn't have to be a 5 star either, there's plenty of good 3 and 4 star qb's out there. But Wisconsin's never had a championship caliber qb, let alone a good qb. Wisconsin has been an elite team everywhere besides that one player, and that makes all the difference. The example of Wisconsin alone disproves the blue chip theory. Wisconsin has recruited worse than us, and yet they've had a playoff caliber team everywhere besides the qb position. They've never been close to meeting the blue chip ratio. There have been multiple teams that have been in the playoffs who weren't at the blue chip ratio. There is no proof whatsoever that being at the blue chip ratio is a requirement to win a championship.

They had a multi time NFL pro bowl QB (Russell Wilson) in 2011 and finished with 3 losses and wouldn’t have sniffed the playoffs

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

And if you had an ounce of intelligence, you would understand the point. The point is Wisconsin was one player short of making the playoffs multiple times over the last decade. That if they had that one player, would have had a decent shot in the playoff and winning it all. That player didn't have to be a 5 star either, there's plenty of good 3 and 4 star qb's out there. But Wisconsin's never had a championship caliber qb, let alone a good qb. Wisconsin has been an elite team everywhere besides that one player, and that makes all the difference. The example of Wisconsin alone disproves the blue chip theory. Wisconsin has recruited worse than us, and yet they've had a playoff caliber team everywhere besides the qb position. They've never been close to meeting the blue chip ratio. There have been multiple teams that have been in the playoffs who weren't at the blue chip ratio. There is no proof whatsoever that being at the blue chip ratio is a requirement to win a championship.

I understand your point, but you continue with the “If this then that stuff” On top of that you are assuming Wisconsin victories based on them having a top QB which would affect how they run their offense. One of the reasons they don’t often get those QBs is because the run the ball at a 60% plus clip.

I will just leave it with this, until a team that doesn’t have a 50% blue chip ratio wins a title, it is a requirement. Similarly it is a requirement to be a P5 team to win it, in it current set up.

 

[oldjar07]

They had a multi time NFL pro bowl QB (Russell Wilson) in 2011 and finished with 3 losses and wouldn’t have sniffed the playoffs

2011 was before they improved their defense. I'm not completely sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if Wisconsin has had more top 10 defenses than any team in the country over the last decade. They have been elite on that end in recent years.

 

[oldjar07]

I understand your point, but you continue with the “If this then that stuff” On top of that you are assuming Wisconsin victories based on them having a top QB which would affect how they run their offense. One of the reasons they don’t often get those QBs is because the run the ball at a 60% plus clip.

I will just leave it with this, until a team that doesn’t have a 50% blue chip ratio wins a title, it is a requirement. Similarly it is a requirement to be a P5 team to win it, in it current set up.

No you're the one making up ridiculous fantasies about some magical requirement that doesn't even exist. There is zero proof that meeting the blue chip ratio is a requirement to winning a championship. And the playoff and this metric has been around for what, 10 years? That's not a huge sample size to draw definitive conclusions from.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

No you're the one making up ridiculous fantasies about some magical requirement that doesn't even exist. There is zero proof that meeting the blue chip ratio is a requirement to winning a championship. And the playoff and this metric has been around for what, 10 years? That's not a huge sample size to draw definitive conclusions from.

Get back to me when a team wins a title without the 50% ratio. Until then, it is a requirement. Magical or not.

Speaking of fantasies, you keep thinking the way to a title is to recruit a bunch of 3 stars and coach them up.

 

[BleedRed78]

Get back to me when a team wins a title without the 50% ratio. Until then, it is a requirement. Magical or not.

Speaking of fantasies, you keep thinking the way to a title is to recruit a bunch of 3 stars and coach them up.

True. I've looked into this myself before. It seems the only team that got close to defying this was that Oregon team that played in the natty game (although they lost).

It is what it is until a team can prove otherwise in today's college football. DONU's chances seem to rest more on being like that Oregon team (hopefully sooner than later!) than they do at being like a Bama, OSU or such densely populated juggernauts.

 

[oldjar07]

Get back to me when a team wins a title without the 50% ratio. Until then, it is a requirement. Magical or not.

Speaking of fantasies, you keep thinking the way to a title is to recruit a bunch of 3 stars and coach them up.

It's not a requirement when the metric has only existed for 10 years. This is just absurd. We have 100 years of evidence of teams winning a championship without meeting a blue chip ratio. The burden of proof is on you to prove this is a requirement. And so far, you haven't come close to satisfying that.

At least 50% of NFL draft prospects were 3 stars or below, so yes there is a ton of talent in the 3 star ranks. And no, nowhere did I imply we should only recruit 3 stars. We should get the best talent possible that fits our program, regardless of how many stars some internet dweeb associates with that player.

And coaching is absolutely crucial. There's no way we're going to come close to sniffing a playoff unless that area of concern flips a complete 180.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

It's not a requirement when the metric has only existed for 10 years. This is just absurd. We have 100 years of evidence of teams winning a championship without meeting a blue chip ratio. The burden of proof is on you to prove this is a requirement. And so far, you haven't come close to satisfying that.

At least 50% of NFL draft prospects were 3 stars or below, so yes there is a ton of talent in the 3 star ranks. And no, nowhere did I imply we should only recruit 3 stars. We should get the best talent possible that fits our program, regardless of how many stars some internet dweeb associates with that player.

And coaching is absolutely crucial. There's no way we're going to come close to sniffing a playoff unless that area of concern flips a complete 180.

I am going to go paragraph by paragraph.

1- until the college football playoff came into existence a team never had to beat 2 of the top 4 teams in the country, in back to back weeks, to win a title. I made that clear earlier but you continue to ignore that.

2- you can call them internet dweebs, but the fact is a part of their analysis comes from who is offering these players. Literally not one person in that job, is rating a guy that is recruited by Wisconsin, Iowa and the entirety of the MAC a 5 star. The fact that you do not understand a bell curve is your problem. There are more 3 stars and below than there are 4 and 5 stars by at about a 3.5 -1 ratio or more, it would make sense that there would be a good number of 3 stars get drafted. The better calculation would be how many 5 stars didn’t make it to the league then 4 stars and continue.

3- you are speaking about Nebraska only here. Apparently you believe Ferentz and Christ are exceptional coaches yet even with the number of players they get drafted, they are no where close to winning a title.

I’ll be here all week!!

 

[king_kong_]

 

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[B1G RED RULES]

Well, when one points to the erratic coaching and development, you are going to get the usual excuses. Frost inherited a mess, Frost needs his own players, covid year cost him a year, his poor assistant coaches, special teams, a QB he would never recruit over and the list goes on and on.

Do people learn from mistakes? Sometimes. Can Frost overcome all of this and become a better coach? We will know after this season.

Never has a great coach (college, pro, etc) ever started out with this list list of blunders and results and turned it around to create championship program. Never. But if anyone can do it, Frost can!

 

[PeoriaHawk]

A combination of over-rated recruits and poor coaching.

Nebby continues to be a failing Program. Why would anyone want to go there?

 

[PeoriaHawk]

Never has a great coach (college, pro, etc) ever started out with this list list of blunders and results and turned it around to create championship program. Never. But if anyone can do it, Frost can!

Our blue-chip ratio has far exceeded every other school in the big ten west yet since 2018 we have the worst conf record of any school ranking behind Illinois and are the only school in the division to have
not gone to a bowl

what gives?

Well Done!

 

[king_kong_]

Nebby continues to be a failing Program. Why would anyone want to go there?

You are attracted to Nebraska Football like a moth to the flame

Don’t worry. it’s very natural for iowegians your age to have daddy issues

 

[Redmich]

Another one. 100% since the advent of recruiting star rankings