Blo-tards circle jerked 2014 McNeese State win

[Tulsa Tom]

1. Don't you think our expectation should be that we roll through the west...or have our expectations fallen?

2. As far as MSU goes:
2014-- L 27-22 (We catch a ball in the end zone that hits our receiver in the hands and we win)
2013-- L 41-28 (We dominate the game but have 5 turnovers to their 0)
2012-- W 28-24
2011-- W 24-3

We do all the above with Bo as coach. I don't think it was coaching that makes this an even series.

3. We have the BTN crew tell us we are incredibly talented and it is mind-boggling we aren't winning the west. They say our lines look like the MSU lines.
We have our own sports writers say that we have the talent.
We have our own AD tell us that we have the talent to win championships.

4. We have jlb and his ilk who tell us we aren't talented...ummmm...OK

P.S. If you want to talk about injuries...if you want to talk about depth...fine. But that's not the issue when you are talking talent.

 

[mkbrkloster]

If you want to talk about injuries...if you want to talk about depth...fine. But that's not the issue when you are talking talent.

That's such a stupid statement. When we're talking about talent we're looking at who is out there playing every Saturday. Available talent. Talent, injuries, and depth are not separate issues.

We have the BTN crew tell us we are incredibly talented and it is mind-boggling we aren't winning the west. They say our lines look like the MSU lines.

Yeah, you mean the same Dinardo that has said for two weeks after watching games that we are sub-par in talent level? Curious, when and where were the adjectives of "incredibly talented" and "mind-boggling" used, and by whom (serious question, not trying to call you out, unless of course you can't produce that information, then I'll call you out)? I'd say we have a couple of incredibly talented individuals, but are VERY far from being incredibly talented across the board.

We have our own sports writers say that we have the talent.

Perhaps I've missed others, but I've read one sports writer say that we have the talent necessary since we've had time to actually see them on the field. BTW, most of BTN disagrees with him, as do I.

 

[Tulsa Tom]

That's such a stupid statement. When we're talking about talent we're looking at who is out there playing every Saturday. Available talent. Talent, injuries, and depth are not separate issues..

The consistent theme on this board is that we didn't bring in the talent to win. Did TO's qb recruiting suck in the mid 90's when Matt Turman had to play?

 

[mkbrkloster]

The consistent theme on this board is that we didn't bring in the talent to win. Did TO's qb recruiting suck in the mid 90's when Matt Turman had to play?

You mean the teams that were without a doubt the most talented in the country, at nearly every position, sometimes going multiple deep? No, his recruiting didn't suck back then. Show me a position currently where we have an an arguably "best college player ever at his position" candidate, backed up by a solid all conference candidate if he was given the opportunity. If we had that, and both players above were injured, your point would be valid. As it is, it makes me regret ever replying to your comments.

Oh, by the way, we still won with Turman at the helm, you know, because every other position was filled with the best players in the country.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

The consistent theme on this board is that we didn't bring in the talent to win. Did TO's qb recruiting suck in the mid 90's when Matt Turman had to play?

Did you really just type this!?!

• Zach Wiegert, 1st team All American, Outland trophy winner
• Brenden Stai, 1st team All American
• Rob Zatechka, 1st team All American
• Terry Connealy, 1st team All American
  
• Donta Jones, 1st team All American
• Lawrence Phillips, 2nd team All American
• Baron Miles, 3rd team All American
  
• Ed Stewart, B8 defensive POY
• Grant Wistrom, B8 defensive newcomer of year

• 5 defensive players named to 1st team all B8, 4 others named to 2nd team all B8
  
• 4 offensive players named to 1st team all B8, 2 others named to 2nd team all B8

 

[otismotis08]

Did you really just type this!?!

• Zach Wiegert, 1st team All American, Outland trophy winner
• Brenden Stai, 1st team All American
• Rob Zatechka, 1st team All American
• Terry Connealy, 1st team All American
  
• Donta Jones, 1st team All American
• Lawrence Phillips, 2nd team All American
• Baron Miles, 3rd team All American
  
• Ed Stewart, B8 defensive POY
• Grant Wistrom, B8 defensive newcomer of year

• 5 defensive players named to 1st team all B8, 4 others named to 2nd team all B8
  
• 4 offensive players named to 1st team all B8, 2 others named to 2nd team all B8

Sigh.

 

[Tulsa Tom]

Did you really just type this!?!

• Zach Wiegert, 1st team All American, Outland trophy winner
• Brenden Stai, 1st team All American
• Rob Zatechka, 1st team All American
• Terry Connealy, 1st team All American
  
• Donta Jones, 1st team All American
• Lawrence Phillips, 2nd team All American
• Baron Miles, 3rd team All American
  
• Ed Stewart, B8 defensive POY
• Grant Wistrom, B8 defensive newcomer of year

• 5 defensive players named to 1st team all B8, 4 others named to 2nd team all B8
  
• 4 offensive players named to 1st team all B8, 2 others named to 2nd team all B8

I know! TO did so many other good things. I am not sure why his QB recruiting sucked so bad. He almost caused a lost for us because he couldn't recruit the qb position...Matt Turman? Really?

 

[mkbrkloster]

I know! TO did so many other good things. I am not sure why his QB recruiting sucked so bad. He almost caused a lost for us because he couldn't recruit the qb position...Matt Turman? Really?

In all seriousness, how do you put someone on your ignore list?

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

I know! TO did so many other good things. I am not sure why his QB recruiting sucked so bad. He almost caused a lost for us because he couldn't recruit the qb position...Matt Turman? Really?

0/10, just add another notch on your not so good posts.

 

[Tulsa Tom]

Sorry Tim. Not directed at you. But when someone tells me stuff is stupid because when I am talking about recruiting talent I'm not allowed to talk about first and second stringers who have been injured...only those on the field...then things like Osborne sucking at qb recruitment because the Turmanator had to play are apropos.

 

[Archie Graham]

1. Don't you think our expectation should be that we roll through the west...or have our expectations fallen?

2. As far as MSU goes:
2014-- L 27-22 (We catch a ball in the end zone that hits our receiver in the hands and we win)
2013-- L 41-28 (We dominate the game but have 5 turnovers to their 0)
2012-- W 28-24
2011-- W 24-3

We do all the above with Bo as coach. I don't think it was coaching that makes this an even series.

3. We have the BTN crew tell us we are incredibly talented and it is mind-boggling we aren't winning the west. They say our lines look like the MSU lines.
We have our own sports writers say that we have the talent.
We have our own AD tell us that we have the talent to win championships.

4. We have jlb and his ilk who tell us we aren't talented...ummmm...OK

P.S. If you want to talk about injuries...if you want to talk about depth...fine. But that's not the issue when you are talking talent.

You know as well as anyone else that fall camp media talk is bullshit. It is every single year. These same talking heads told us every year Barney was around that our OL was going to be deep and talented. Was it? Please...

 

[mkbrkloster]

Sorry Tim. Not directed at you. But when someone tells me stuff is stupid because when I am talking about recruiting talent I'm not allowed to talk about first and second stringers who have been injured...only those on the field...then things like Osborne sucking at qb recruitment because the Turmanator had to play are apropos.

You are allowed to talk about injuries, as have I.

However, when you have 5 scholarship players for 3 defensive positions, that's a recruiting problem only exasperated by the fact that now 2 upperclassmen starters of the 5 scholarships players have long-term injuries. When you have starting DE's that IMO wouldn't start at a lot of other competitive schools, that's a recruiting problem (thank goodness our current coaching staff is smart enough to recognize that a TE would make a better DE). When you have a relatively injury-free defensive backfield full of guys whose other school choices out of high school were less than top tier, that's a recruiting problem (oops, we just gave up another 50 yard pass). When injuries occur (and they will) and the 2nd string guy can't adequately fill in, that's a recruiting problem.

Systematic failing at recruiting across the board causes injuries (that happen to every team) to be magnified. TO was able to recover from 2 serious injuries at probably they most key position on the field because most other positions were deep and solid (and even great). Can the same be said here? Where are we (as a team) if our top 2 QB's go down? Where are we this year if an All American RB gets suspended? Is there a future NFL pro bowler waiting to take over?

 

[siegsker]

Nebraska has some pretty good to great talent. And a lot of okay talent. And severe overrating of the talent by some of the fans.

Perhaps it would help if we broke down where the issues are. I'll start. Maybe a controversial one. Outside of Gerry, the secondary players are nothing to write home about. It doesn't take much to be vulnerable to the pass game.

And the RBs are overrated for all their stars and hype.

Tommy is really good, and getting better. WRs are playing very solid ball, and getting better.

 

[HuskerTimOmaha]

Here's the bottom line about this defense, and the record reflects since he was announced, IMO, Banker is a bad hire.

You're not going to have a great defense unless you have 2 guys at each level (front, middle, back). I'm not aware of a defense that performed on a high enough level that didn't have that. If a team did only have 1 guy at a level, they made up for it elsewhere, and that's more than possible but I'd say it's the exception. (EX: Suh, Crick - Dillard, Hagg in hybrid - Amukamara, Dennard). (((Heck, I can easily add Gomes, Asante and everyone's whipping boy O'Hanlon too, great role players that played at a high level due to what was around them)))

You want to know what made Suh so great at Nebraska, besides his raw ability and Peelini? He had a back 7 that was absolutely lights out in 2009. You take 2009 Suh and put him with the 2015 back 7 and there's no way in heck he puts up the numbers he did. You take the 2009 back 7 and Collins himself is wrecking havoc so far this season, way too much pressure on a OL to hold blocks. Anyone that wants to debate this, let's debate it.

When facing spread teams, which I say is what we've faced through 4 games so far, you have to have guys on the back end that get on someone at the LOS. When that happens, advantage to the defensive front 4. When a defense can't play tight(er) coverage, big time advantage to the OL. And that also means you have to account for the RB too in the passing game, his inside/outside chips are a quick and easy read.

Now, can the 2015 defense be productive against the pass and run in B1G conference play? Absolutely they can, when healthy, with the schedule we have this year. There is no way in heck, over the course of the conference season, we're going to stop teams at a consistent enough pace without Valentine (1 of 2 needed at level 1), Banderas/Rose-Ivey (2 of 2 needed at level 2) and Gerry the lone ranger in the back (1 of 2 needed at level 3). You're talking about 4 guys missing (3 injured, 1 missing to compliment Gerry). Sh1t, for the back end to be successful, all we're missing is an island guy.

Anyone curious what happened up above to where we're at now? Go look at who is in our roster and tell me who the 2 guys are in level 1, 2 guys in level 2 and 2 guys in level 3. I already helped out with (level 1) Collins, (level 2) Bando / Rose-Ivey and (level 3) Gerry. Sure, there's potential however, that's all it is right now.

That potential (talent) has to be coached - just like the potential (talent) had to be coached back in 2009.

TL;DR, I'm sure but damn folks, have some knowledge and common sense when discussing something!

 

[jflores]

movd to Tim's thread.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Tulsa Tom, just stop.
Really. I'm not liking what I'm seeing on the field either but this is like watching Peter Griffin kill that cat 7 times with a razor. You're swimming the wrong direction.
Just stop what you're doing.

 

[DPDWU]

I know! TO did so many other good things. I am not sure why his QB recruiting sucked so bad. He almost caused a lost for us because he couldn't recruit the qb position...Matt Turman? Really?[/QUOTE

 

[DPDWU]

I know! TO did so many other good things. I am not sure why his QB recruiting sucked so bad. He almost caused a lost for us because he couldn't recruit the qb position...Matt Turman? Really?

Tommy had the blood clot and Berringer had collapsed lung. Both were freak injuries and had to play Turman. Also beat a top 10 Kstate team on the road. Yea recruiting sucked then compared to the last seven years when beating a top 10 team was like last nights eclipse.

 

[Nebraska Gator II]

The consistent theme on this board is that we didn't bring in the talent to win. Did TO's qb recruiting suck in the mid 90's when Matt Turman had to play?

You got a problem with the turmanator?