No my degrees weren't in language arts...we didn't have a language arts degree at michigan...do you mean English? Or do you mean a foreign language? I took plenty of English classes and had to become proficient in a foreign language (I speak 3). However, I don't get your point. I typed "then" instead of "than" on my tablet. What does that have to do with logic? Michigan teaches you how to think and is not about how to pass a spelling or grammar test. Whatever community college you went to didn't serve you well unless they where preparing you to be a secretary/administrative assistant....congrats on your typingIt was particularly comical, coming on the heels of "the professor" confusing then and than. Maybe he is a Michigan grad, with a post-grad degree from Columbia. I don't think it's much of a stretch to assume that his degrees weren't in Language Arts though.
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Ya know, this exchange is fairly pointless, and I'm fairly disappointed in myself for even getting into it. Yes, there may be some attrition. Was there enough for Stanford's talent to dip below OSU's? Who knows. As I said, I would give Harbaugh more of a pass because Riley beat him during Harbaugh's first year, when his offensive and defensive personnel weren't comfortable with the schemes yet.
But I do have a point of contention with you thinking that subpar coaching couldn't take decent talent to a 1-11 record. That point is driven home almost every college football season.
Listen stupid, I know it's difficult to take a beating on a message board, but when arrogant people butcher our beloved language, they make themselves easy targets. So live and learn.
Let me say that an exchange based on one team averaging 2.2 stars over a 4 year period vs another team averaging 1.7 stars over a 4-year period isn't worth it to me. Especially when Harbaugh has said that he learned quite a bit from Riley in the first place.
Holy hell...you think you are winning this argument? Are you delusional or trolling?
The moment you suggested that good talent couldn't result in a 1-11 record, you lost. You remember...when I referenced a number of programs that always have highly rated talent, but shat the bed. That's when you triple-bogeyed, and I stopped by the scorers table and picked up the trophy.
You really want to go with the argument that talented teams go 1-11? Go pick up your trophy I guess...I hear everyone gets one these days
No, I'm saying that if a team has even remotely average talent, which clearly both of these programs did, it is coaching that determined the difference between 1-11 and 10-3. How you don't understand this will be studied for years.
I think its a bit more complex than that - If a team only wins one game but is very competitive in all the games then yes a better coach can get them to 10 wins in a hurry - however if a team is really bad, then a new coach no matter how great he may be, will need to flush out the losing attitude and recruit better/fresh faces
I also think this thought that a Div1 coach is horrible is a bit over blown - every coach got there for a reason and worked his way into a high paying gig even its at Kansas. So I think its a matter that some coaches just standout and are in the right place at the right time as opposed to the school just having a horrible coach
This is where you have to use common sense when looking at numbers. Huskers gave away two games at a minimum so 4 losses last year is misleading.
Fyi...the coach that led Stanford to the 1-11 record came from Pitt where he lead them to 5 straight bowl games including a BCS bowl (interestingly enough one of his bowl wins was a 38-13 thrashing of Oregon State). Pitt didn't make a bowl the following 4 years after Walt Harris went to Stanford. So your point is spot on that there was something more to it than Harris not knowing how to coach.
Sorry, but there are terrible college coaches. And plenty of them. They might know more than us, but they are bad college coaches.
In a relative sense yes you are right. Keep in mind however that even the worst major conference team is paying that coach a lot of money and they were successful at some level. My point is however timing is most times the determining factor. Lots of coaches have failed at one school to go on to success at another and tons have been very successful only to fail when a larger school hires them away
How many do you know of that took a team to 5 straight bowl games including a BCS game and then in a new job took a TALENTED team to 1-11...the key word is TALENTED of course...I'm looking forward to your spin on this
You do realize that you are defending the guy that said Stanford had more talent coming off of their 1-11 season then an 8-4 Oregon State team...right? Who cares whether the other poster said something about his educational background. It doesn't change the fact that Hoosker Du's position is moronic.
You're not going to like this much.. Stanford returned 16 starters for the 2006 season, including 10 on offense. But gee willikers, Wally, how could they have 16 returning starters if they had all that attrition? I'm posting the offense first, which as you see had a number of 4th and 5th year players. Clearly they were a bunch of untalented hacks coming out of high school. 
Now...a word of advice...don't walk into an exchange without doing your homework first, boy. Now, I doubt we'll see you back here, but if you do come back, make sure you get your nose in some books first.
2006 Stanford starters (Offense). All star rankings by Rivals.
WR - Evan Moore, ***, also offered by USC, UCLA; Super Prep All-American … Ranked by Super Prep as the No. 24 recruit in the Far West … Rivals.com listed him among their top 100 recruits in the west and No. 25 on their national list of "athletes" … Lemming's, Rivals.com and The Insiders.com also listed Evan among their top recruits in the west … Insiders ranked him as the No. 2 TE/WR in the state … Prep Star All-West selection … Three-time All-Century League wide receiver … High School Heisman finalist … Selected to participate in the CaliFlorida Bowl
LT - Allen Smith, ****, also offered by Arizona State, Notre Dame, UCLA. Graduated from Corona del Sol High School in Tempe, Ariz...prep All-American who was ranked as the No. 7 offensive lineman in the country by SuperPrep...first team All-American selection by PrepStar and SuperPrep as a senior...rated as the second best recruit in Arizona by SuperPrep...listed among the top 20 offensive linemen in the nation by Rivals.com...named to the Long Beach Press Telegram's Best of the West team and earned a spot on the Tacoma News Tribune's Western Top 100...first team all-state and all-conference selection...Arizona Coaches' Association All-Star Athlete...nominated to the U.S. Army's All-American team.
LG - Josiah Vinson, ***, Also offered by Arkansas, LSU, Notre Dame, and Georgia Tech. Ranked by Tom Lemming's Report as the No. 12 offensive lineman in the nation in 2001 out of Irving High School in Texas ... First-Team All-American by Lemming's, PrepStar and Gridiron Greats ... Named to Dave Campbell's Texas Football First-Team Super Team ... Named All-Southwest by SuperPrep, PrepStar and Lemming's ... Two-time First-Team All-District ... Did not allow a sack as a junior or senior ... Had 85 "pancake blocks" as a senior, while adding 20 tackles and one sack in four games as a part-time defensive lineman ... Played in the second U.S. Army All-American Bowl in 2001.
C - Alex Fletcher, ****, also offered by USC, Georgia Tech, Rutgers, Syracuse.Three-year starter who is one of the Pac-10's top offensive linemen heading into his final campaign...listed on the Outland Trophy and Rimington Award Preseason Watch Lists. SuperPrep Elite 50 selection and consensus high school All-American coming out of St. Anthony's HS in Old Brookville, NY...SuperPrep ranked him 34th on its list of top high school recruits, as well as the top prospect in the state of New York and the third best offensive line prospect in the nation...was ranked as the second best offensive line recruit in the country and top recruit in New York by Rivals.com...was named to TheInsiders.com's 24-member All-America team and was ranked as the 20th best recruit in the country and second best offensive line prospect...earned first team All-America honors by EA Sports...two-time first team all-state, All-Long Island, all-city and All-Suburbs following his junior and senior seasons...Nike Camp and U.S. Army All-America selection...captained the East team in the U.S. Army All-America Bow
RG - Jon Cochran, ***, also offered by Iowa, Iowa State, Northwestern. Finished his career with 30 starts on the offensive line with the first 20 coming at tackle and the final 10 at right guard. Prep All-American offensive lineman from Valley High School in Iowa ... PrepStar named him to its All-American team and ranked him as the No. 11 offensive line prospect in the nation and the No. 2 offensive lineman in the Midwest following his senior season ... Selected to the All-Midlands teams by Tom Lemming's Report and SuperPrep ... Pro Prep Sports All-American Dream Team member
RT - Jeff Edwards, ***, also offered by Ohio State, Clemson, North Carolina, Maryland, Vandy. Now a fifth-year senior, Jeff enters the 2006 campaign as the team's most experienced offensive lineman ... Started 33 games at three different positions on the offensive line during his four seasons of action on The Farm. Talented offensive lineman who was named an All-American by PrepStar, All-Dixie by SuperPrep and All-Southeast by Tom Lemming's Report.
TE - Jim Dray, ***, also offered by Florida State, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Boston College, Iowa. Fifth-year senior enters the season atop the depth chart at tight end. Enjoyed an illustrious prep career at Bergen Catholic High School in Dradell, N.J....earned high school All-America honors by both PrepStar and SuperPrep...ranked as No. 6 tight end prospect in the nation by SuperPrep and No. 8 overall recruit in the state of New Jersey...rated the top tight end prospect in the East by SuperPrep...ranked as the No. 7 tight end recruit in the country by ESPN.com, No. 12 on Rivals.com and No. 17 on Scout.com.
QB - Trent Edwards, *****, also offered by Michigan, Cal, UCLA. Has played in 35 games over the past four seasons with 31 of those in a starting role ... Became the seventh player at Stanford to record 5000 career passing yards when he reached the milestone versus Navy (9/16/06) ... Ranks sixth on Stanford's career lists in pass completions (487) and attempts (865), as well as seventh in passing yards (5429), total offense (5628) and touchdown passes (36), and 10th in career completion percentage (.563, 487-865) ... Has also added 199 career rushing yards and a pair of touchdowns on the ground ... The unquestioned leader of the Cardinal offense and one of the top players in the Pac-10 Conference ... Has placed his name in the Cardinal record book among the great quarterbacks in Stanford history. One of the premiere recruits in the nation in 2001 ... Rated among the top quarterback prospects in the country by every recruiting publication ... USA Today ranked Trent the No. 1 passing quarterback in the nation ... Student Sports ranked him as the No. 2 quarterback prospect in the nation ... He was named an All-American by SuperPrep, PrepStar, Parade, Student Sports and Tom Lemming's Report, to name a few ... Member of the PrepStar's "Dream Team" and the Student Sports Top 101 ... Lemming named him the No. 7 QB in the nation and the No. 15 overall recruit ... Parade ranked him the No. 3 quarterback in the country, PrepStar ranked Trent the No. 4 QB in the nation while SuperPrep had him No. 7.
RB - Anthony Kimble, **, Fifth-year senior has finished as Stanford's top rusher each of the last two seasons. Played just two seasons of football at University Laboratory School in Baton Rouge, La...played running back, quarterback, wide receiver and returned kicks...earned first team all-district running back as a senior...accounted for over 2,700 yards in all-purpose yardage and 28 touchdowns.
FB - Emeka Nnoli, ****, also offered by USC, Washington, Cal. A consensus Prep All-American who has been rated as one of the top recruits in the nation … All-American selection by Prep Star, Super Prep, Rivals.com, Lemmings, among others … Ranked as the No. 2 fullback in the country by Lemmings, No. 3 by Super Prep and No. 10 by Prep Star … Named to Prep Star's Dream Team as one of the nation's top 100 recruits … Ranked as the No. 1 fullback in the west by PacWest Football, No. 2 running back in the west by Prep Star, No. 14 player in California by Rivals.com and No. 18 by Lemming's … Selected to play in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl.
WR - Richard Sherman, ***, You may also know him as the lockdown corner for the Seahawks.
(te he he), also offered by UCLA, Colorado, Mississippi State, Nevada. Fifth-year senior who is penciled in as the starter at left cornerback...made the transition from wide receiver to secondary in spring drills prior to the 2009 season and started 12 of 13 games last year at cornerback...has 81 career receptions for 1,340 yards and seven touchdowns...seven career touchdown receptions are the most of any Stanford player heading into the season...led Stanford in receiving yardage as a freshman and sophomore but was limited to just four games last season after suffering a partial tear of his left patellar tendon...has averaged 16.5 yards per catch in his career to rank ninth on Stanford's all-time career list. ranked among the best wide receiver prospects in the nation...PrepStar All-West selection and SuperPrep All-Far West pick...named to the Long Beach Press Telegram's Dream Team as one of the premier recruits in the West...also earned all-state, CIF Southern Section first team and All-San Gabriel Valley first team accolades as a senior...listed as the 50th-best recruit in the nation by SuperPrep...also ranked as the No. 6 athlete in California, the No. 8 wide receiver in the state and the No. 57 athlete in the country by SuperPrep
Now...a word of advice...don't walk into an exchange without doing your homework first, boy. Now, I doubt we'll see you back here, but if you do come back, make sure you get your nose in some books first.
2006 Stanford starters (Offense). All star rankings by Rivals.
WR - Evan Moore, ***, also offered by USC, UCLA; Super Prep All-American … Ranked by Super Prep as the No. 24 recruit in the Far West … Rivals.com listed him among their top 100 recruits in the west and No. 25 on their national list of "athletes" … Lemming's, Rivals.com and The Insiders.com also listed Evan among their top recruits in the west … Insiders ranked him as the No. 2 TE/WR in the state … Prep Star All-West selection … Three-time All-Century League wide receiver … High School Heisman finalist … Selected to participate in the CaliFlorida Bowl
LT - Allen Smith, ****, also offered by Arizona State, Notre Dame, UCLA. Graduated from Corona del Sol High School in Tempe, Ariz...prep All-American who was ranked as the No. 7 offensive lineman in the country by SuperPrep...first team All-American selection by PrepStar and SuperPrep as a senior...rated as the second best recruit in Arizona by SuperPrep...listed among the top 20 offensive linemen in the nation by Rivals.com...named to the Long Beach Press Telegram's Best of the West team and earned a spot on the Tacoma News Tribune's Western Top 100...first team all-state and all-conference selection...Arizona Coaches' Association All-Star Athlete...nominated to the U.S. Army's All-American team.
LG - Josiah Vinson, ***, Also offered by Arkansas, LSU, Notre Dame, and Georgia Tech. Ranked by Tom Lemming's Report as the No. 12 offensive lineman in the nation in 2001 out of Irving High School in Texas ... First-Team All-American by Lemming's, PrepStar and Gridiron Greats ... Named to Dave Campbell's Texas Football First-Team Super Team ... Named All-Southwest by SuperPrep, PrepStar and Lemming's ... Two-time First-Team All-District ... Did not allow a sack as a junior or senior ... Had 85 "pancake blocks" as a senior, while adding 20 tackles and one sack in four games as a part-time defensive lineman ... Played in the second U.S. Army All-American Bowl in 2001.
C - Alex Fletcher, ****, also offered by USC, Georgia Tech, Rutgers, Syracuse.Three-year starter who is one of the Pac-10's top offensive linemen heading into his final campaign...listed on the Outland Trophy and Rimington Award Preseason Watch Lists. SuperPrep Elite 50 selection and consensus high school All-American coming out of St. Anthony's HS in Old Brookville, NY...SuperPrep ranked him 34th on its list of top high school recruits, as well as the top prospect in the state of New York and the third best offensive line prospect in the nation...was ranked as the second best offensive line recruit in the country and top recruit in New York by Rivals.com...was named to TheInsiders.com's 24-member All-America team and was ranked as the 20th best recruit in the country and second best offensive line prospect...earned first team All-America honors by EA Sports...two-time first team all-state, All-Long Island, all-city and All-Suburbs following his junior and senior seasons...Nike Camp and U.S. Army All-America selection...captained the East team in the U.S. Army All-America Bow
RG - Jon Cochran, ***, also offered by Iowa, Iowa State, Northwestern. Finished his career with 30 starts on the offensive line with the first 20 coming at tackle and the final 10 at right guard. Prep All-American offensive lineman from Valley High School in Iowa ... PrepStar named him to its All-American team and ranked him as the No. 11 offensive line prospect in the nation and the No. 2 offensive lineman in the Midwest following his senior season ... Selected to the All-Midlands teams by Tom Lemming's Report and SuperPrep ... Pro Prep Sports All-American Dream Team member
RT - Jeff Edwards, ***, also offered by Ohio State, Clemson, North Carolina, Maryland, Vandy. Now a fifth-year senior, Jeff enters the 2006 campaign as the team's most experienced offensive lineman ... Started 33 games at three different positions on the offensive line during his four seasons of action on The Farm. Talented offensive lineman who was named an All-American by PrepStar, All-Dixie by SuperPrep and All-Southeast by Tom Lemming's Report.
TE - Jim Dray, ***, also offered by Florida State, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Boston College, Iowa. Fifth-year senior enters the season atop the depth chart at tight end. Enjoyed an illustrious prep career at Bergen Catholic High School in Dradell, N.J....earned high school All-America honors by both PrepStar and SuperPrep...ranked as No. 6 tight end prospect in the nation by SuperPrep and No. 8 overall recruit in the state of New Jersey...rated the top tight end prospect in the East by SuperPrep...ranked as the No. 7 tight end recruit in the country by ESPN.com, No. 12 on Rivals.com and No. 17 on Scout.com.
QB - Trent Edwards, *****, also offered by Michigan, Cal, UCLA. Has played in 35 games over the past four seasons with 31 of those in a starting role ... Became the seventh player at Stanford to record 5000 career passing yards when he reached the milestone versus Navy (9/16/06) ... Ranks sixth on Stanford's career lists in pass completions (487) and attempts (865), as well as seventh in passing yards (5429), total offense (5628) and touchdown passes (36), and 10th in career completion percentage (.563, 487-865) ... Has also added 199 career rushing yards and a pair of touchdowns on the ground ... The unquestioned leader of the Cardinal offense and one of the top players in the Pac-10 Conference ... Has placed his name in the Cardinal record book among the great quarterbacks in Stanford history. One of the premiere recruits in the nation in 2001 ... Rated among the top quarterback prospects in the country by every recruiting publication ... USA Today ranked Trent the No. 1 passing quarterback in the nation ... Student Sports ranked him as the No. 2 quarterback prospect in the nation ... He was named an All-American by SuperPrep, PrepStar, Parade, Student Sports and Tom Lemming's Report, to name a few ... Member of the PrepStar's "Dream Team" and the Student Sports Top 101 ... Lemming named him the No. 7 QB in the nation and the No. 15 overall recruit ... Parade ranked him the No. 3 quarterback in the country, PrepStar ranked Trent the No. 4 QB in the nation while SuperPrep had him No. 7.
RB - Anthony Kimble, **, Fifth-year senior has finished as Stanford's top rusher each of the last two seasons. Played just two seasons of football at University Laboratory School in Baton Rouge, La...played running back, quarterback, wide receiver and returned kicks...earned first team all-district running back as a senior...accounted for over 2,700 yards in all-purpose yardage and 28 touchdowns.
FB - Emeka Nnoli, ****, also offered by USC, Washington, Cal. A consensus Prep All-American who has been rated as one of the top recruits in the nation … All-American selection by Prep Star, Super Prep, Rivals.com, Lemmings, among others … Ranked as the No. 2 fullback in the country by Lemmings, No. 3 by Super Prep and No. 10 by Prep Star … Named to Prep Star's Dream Team as one of the nation's top 100 recruits … Ranked as the No. 1 fullback in the west by PacWest Football, No. 2 running back in the west by Prep Star, No. 14 player in California by Rivals.com and No. 18 by Lemming's … Selected to play in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl.
WR - Richard Sherman, ***, You may also know him as the lockdown corner for the Seahawks.
(te he he), also offered by UCLA, Colorado, Mississippi State, Nevada. Fifth-year senior who is penciled in as the starter at left cornerback...made the transition from wide receiver to secondary in spring drills prior to the 2009 season and started 12 of 13 games last year at cornerback...has 81 career receptions for 1,340 yards and seven touchdowns...seven career touchdown receptions are the most of any Stanford player heading into the season...led Stanford in receiving yardage as a freshman and sophomore but was limited to just four games last season after suffering a partial tear of his left patellar tendon...has averaged 16.5 yards per catch in his career to rank ninth on Stanford's all-time career list. ranked among the best wide receiver prospects in the nation...PrepStar All-West selection and SuperPrep All-Far West pick...named to the Long Beach Press Telegram's Dream Team as one of the premier recruits in the West...also earned all-state, CIF Southern Section first team and All-San Gabriel Valley first team accolades as a senior...listed as the 50th-best recruit in the nation by SuperPrep...also ranked as the No. 6 athlete in California, the No. 8 wide receiver in the state and the No. 57 athlete in the country by SuperPrep
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Do you really think I come into these exchanges without doing a little reading? 2006 Stanford starters
WR - Evan Moore, ***, also offered by USC, UCLA; Super Prep All-American … Ranked by Super Prep as the No. 24 recruit in the Far West … Rivals.com listed him among their top 100 recruits in the west and No. 25 on their national list of "athletes" … Lemming's, Rivals.com and The Insiders.com also listed Evan among their top recruits in the west … Insiders ranked him as the No. 2 TE/WR in the state … Prep Star All-West selection … Three-time All-Century League wide receiver … High School Heisman finalist … Selected to participate in the CaliFlorida Bowl
LT - Allen Smith, ****, also offered by Arizona State, Notre Dame, UCLA. Graduated from Corona del Sol High School in Tempe, Ariz...prep All-American who was ranked as the No. 7 offensive lineman in the country by SuperPrep...first team All-American selection by PrepStar and SuperPrep as a senior...rated as the second best recruit in Arizona by SuperPrep...listed among the top 20 offensive linemen in the nation by Rivals.com...named to the Long Beach Press Telegram's Best of the West team and earned a spot on the Tacoma News Tribune's Western Top 100...first team all-state and all-conference selection...Arizona Coaches' Association All-Star Athlete...nominated to the U.S. Army's All-American team.
LG - Josiah Vinson, ***, Also offered by Arkansas, LSU, Notre Dame, and Georgia Tech. Ranked by Tom Lemming's Report as the No. 12 offensive lineman in the nation in 2001 out of Irving High School in Texas ... First-Team All-American by Lemming's, PrepStar and Gridiron Greats ... Named to Dave Campbell's Texas Football First-Team Super Team ... Named All-Southwest by SuperPrep, PrepStar and Lemming's ... Two-time First-Team All-District ... Did not allow a sack as a junior or senior ... Had 85 "pancake blocks" as a senior, while adding 20 tackles and one sack in four games as a part-time defensive lineman ... Played in the second U.S. Army All-American Bowl in 2001.
C - Alex Fletcher, ****, also offered by USC, Georgia Tech, Rutgers, Syracuse.Three-year starter who is one of the Pac-10's top offensive linemen heading into his final campaign...listed on the Outland Trophy and Rimington Award Preseason Watch Lists. SuperPrep Elite 50 selection and consensus high school All-American coming out of St. Anthony's HS in Old Brookville, NY...SuperPrep ranked him 34th on its list of top high school recruits, as well as the top prospect in the state of New York and the third best offensive line prospect in the nation...was ranked as the second best offensive line recruit in the country and top recruit in New York by Rivals.com...was named to TheInsiders.com's 24-member All-America team and was ranked as the 20th best recruit in the country and second best offensive line prospect...earned first team All-America honors by EA Sports...two-time first team all-state, All-Long Island, all-city and All-Suburbs following his junior and senior seasons...Nike Camp and U.S. Army All-America selection...captained the East team in the U.S. Army All-America Bow
RG - Jon Cochran, ***, also offered by Iowa, Iowa State, Northwestern. Finished his career with 30 starts on the offensive line with the first 20 coming at tackle and the final 10 at right guard. Prep All-American offensive lineman from Valley High School in Iowa ... PrepStar named him to its All-American team and ranked him as the No. 11 offensive line prospect in the nation and the No. 2 offensive lineman in the Midwest following his senior season ... Selected to the All-Midlands teams by Tom Lemming's Report and SuperPrep ... Pro Prep Sports All-American Dream Team member
RT - Jeff Edwards, ***, also offered by Ohio State, Clemson, North Carolina, Maryland, Vandy. Now a fifth-year senior, Jeff enters the 2006 campaign as the team's most experienced offensive lineman ... Started 33 games at three different positions on the offensive line during his four seasons of action on The Farm. Talented offensive lineman who was named an All-American by PrepStar, All-Dixie by SuperPrep and All-Southeast by Tom Lemming's Report.
TE - Jim Dray, ***, also offered by Florida State, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Boston College, Iowa. Fifth-year senior enters the season atop the depth chart at tight end. Enjoyed an illustrious prep career at Bergen Catholic High School in Dradell, N.J....earned high school All-America honors by both PrepStar and SuperPrep...ranked as No. 6 tight end prospect in the nation by SuperPrep and No. 8 overall recruit in the state of New Jersey...rated the top tight end prospect in the East by SuperPrep...ranked as the No. 7 tight end recruit in the country by ESPN.com, No. 12 on Rivals.com and No. 17 on Scout.com.
QB - Trent Edwards, *****, also offered by Michigan, Cal, UCLA. Has played in 35 games over the past four seasons with 31 of those in a starting role ... Became the seventh player at Stanford to record 5000 career passing yards when he reached the milestone versus Navy (9/16/06) ... Ranks sixth on Stanford's career lists in pass completions (487) and attempts (865), as well as seventh in passing yards (5429), total offense (5628) and touchdown passes (36), and 10th in career completion percentage (.563, 487-865) ... Has also added 199 career rushing yards and a pair of touchdowns on the ground ... The unquestioned leader of the Cardinal offense and one of the top players in the Pac-10 Conference ... Has placed his name in the Cardinal record book among the great quarterbacks in Stanford history. One of the premiere recruits in the nation in 2001 ... Rated among the top quarterback prospects in the country by every recruiting publication ... USA Today ranked Trent the No. 1 passing quarterback in the nation ... Student Sports ranked him as the No. 2 quarterback prospect in the nation ... He was named an All-American by SuperPrep, PrepStar, Parade, Student Sports and Tom Lemming's Report, to name a few ... Member of the PrepStar's "Dream Team" and the Student Sports Top 101 ... Lemming named him the No. 7 QB in the nation and the No. 15 overall recruit ... Parade ranked him the No. 3 quarterback in the country, PrepStar ranked Trent the No. 4 QB in the nation while SuperPrep had him No. 7.
RB - Anthony Kimble, **, Fifth-year senior has finished as Stanford's top rusher each of the last two seasons. Played just two seasons of football at University Laboratory School in Baton Rouge, La...played running back, quarterback, wide receiver and returned kicks...earned first team all-district running back as a senior...accounted for over 2,700 yards in all-purpose yardage and 28 touchdowns.
FB - Emeka Nnoli, ****, also offered by USC, Washington, Cal. A consensus Prep All-American who has been rated as one of the top recruits in the nation … All-American selection by Prep Star, Super Prep, Rivals.com, Lemmings, among others … Ranked as the No. 2 fullback in the country by Lemmings, No. 3 by Super Prep and No. 10 by Prep Star … Named to Prep Star's Dream Team as one of the nation's top 100 recruits … Ranked as the No. 1 fullback in the west by PacWest Football, No. 2 running back in the west by Prep Star, No. 14 player in California by Rivals.com and No. 18 by Lemming's … Selected to play in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl.
WR - Richard Sherman, ***, also offered by UCLA, Colorado, Mississippi State, Nevada. Fifth-year senior who is penciled in as the starter at left cornerback...made the transition from wide receiver to secondary in spring drills prior to the 2009 season and started 12 of 13 games last year at cornerback...has 81 career receptions for 1,340 yards and seven touchdowns...seven career touchdown receptions are the most of any Stanford player heading into the season...led Stanford in receiving yardage as a freshman and sophomore but was limited to just four games last season after suffering a partial tear of his left patellar tendon...has averaged 16.5 yards per catch in his career to rank ninth on Stanford's all-time career list. ranked among the best wide receiver prospects in the nation...PrepStar All-West selection and SuperPrep All-Far West pick...named to the Long Beach Press Telegram's Dream Team as one of the premier recruits in the West...also earned all-state, CIF Southern Section first team and All-San Gabriel Valley first team accolades as a senior...listed as the 50th-best recruit in the nation by SuperPrep...also ranked as the No. 6 athlete in California, the No. 8 wide receiver in the state and the No. 57 athlete in the country by SuperPrep
You should read your own notes and take a moment to think. The first two names that pop out to me are are:You're not going to like this much.. Stanford returned 16 starters for the 2006 season, including 10 on offense. But gee willikers, Wally, how could they have 16 returning starters if they had all that attrition? I'm posting the offense first, which as you see had a number of 4th and 5th year players. Clearly they were a bunch of untalented hacks.
Now...a word of advice...don't walk into an exchange without doing your homework first, boy. Now, go back to you own board. You've been OWNED!
2006 Stanford starters (Offense)
WR - Evan Moore, ***, also offered by USC, UCLA; Super Prep All-American … Ranked by Super Prep as the No. 24 recruit in the Far West … Rivals.com listed him among their top 100 recruits in the west and No. 25 on their national list of "athletes" … Lemming's, Rivals.com and The Insiders.com also listed Evan among their top recruits in the west … Insiders ranked him as the No. 2 TE/WR in the state … Prep Star All-West selection … Three-time All-Century League wide receiver … High School Heisman finalist … Selected to participate in the CaliFlorida Bowl
LT - Allen Smith, ****, also offered by Arizona State, Notre Dame, UCLA. Graduated from Corona del Sol High School in Tempe, Ariz...prep All-American who was ranked as the No. 7 offensive lineman in the country by SuperPrep...first team All-American selection by PrepStar and SuperPrep as a senior...rated as the second best recruit in Arizona by SuperPrep...listed among the top 20 offensive linemen in the nation by Rivals.com...named to the Long Beach Press Telegram's Best of the West team and earned a spot on the Tacoma News Tribune's Western Top 100...first team all-state and all-conference selection...Arizona Coaches' Association All-Star Athlete...nominated to the U.S. Army's All-American team.
LG - Josiah Vinson, ***, Also offered by Arkansas, LSU, Notre Dame, and Georgia Tech. Ranked by Tom Lemming's Report as the No. 12 offensive lineman in the nation in 2001 out of Irving High School in Texas ... First-Team All-American by Lemming's, PrepStar and Gridiron Greats ... Named to Dave Campbell's Texas Football First-Team Super Team ... Named All-Southwest by SuperPrep, PrepStar and Lemming's ... Two-time First-Team All-District ... Did not allow a sack as a junior or senior ... Had 85 "pancake blocks" as a senior, while adding 20 tackles and one sack in four games as a part-time defensive lineman ... Played in the second U.S. Army All-American Bowl in 2001.
C - Alex Fletcher, ****, also offered by USC, Georgia Tech, Rutgers, Syracuse.Three-year starter who is one of the Pac-10's top offensive linemen heading into his final campaign...listed on the Outland Trophy and Rimington Award Preseason Watch Lists. SuperPrep Elite 50 selection and consensus high school All-American coming out of St. Anthony's HS in Old Brookville, NY...SuperPrep ranked him 34th on its list of top high school recruits, as well as the top prospect in the state of New York and the third best offensive line prospect in the nation...was ranked as the second best offensive line recruit in the country and top recruit in New York by Rivals.com...was named to TheInsiders.com's 24-member All-America team and was ranked as the 20th best recruit in the country and second best offensive line prospect...earned first team All-America honors by EA Sports...two-time first team all-state, All-Long Island, all-city and All-Suburbs following his junior and senior seasons...Nike Camp and U.S. Army All-America selection...captained the East team in the U.S. Army All-America Bow
RG - Jon Cochran, ***, also offered by Iowa, Iowa State, Northwestern. Finished his career with 30 starts on the offensive line with the first 20 coming at tackle and the final 10 at right guard. Prep All-American offensive lineman from Valley High School in Iowa ... PrepStar named him to its All-American team and ranked him as the No. 11 offensive line prospect in the nation and the No. 2 offensive lineman in the Midwest following his senior season ... Selected to the All-Midlands teams by Tom Lemming's Report and SuperPrep ... Pro Prep Sports All-American Dream Team member
RT - Jeff Edwards, ***, also offered by Ohio State, Clemson, North Carolina, Maryland, Vandy. Now a fifth-year senior, Jeff enters the 2006 campaign as the team's most experienced offensive lineman ... Started 33 games at three different positions on the offensive line during his four seasons of action on The Farm. Talented offensive lineman who was named an All-American by PrepStar, All-Dixie by SuperPrep and All-Southeast by Tom Lemming's Report.
TE - Jim Dray, ***, also offered by Florida State, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Boston College, Iowa. Fifth-year senior enters the season atop the depth chart at tight end. Enjoyed an illustrious prep career at Bergen Catholic High School in Dradell, N.J....earned high school All-America honors by both PrepStar and SuperPrep...ranked as No. 6 tight end prospect in the nation by SuperPrep and No. 8 overall recruit in the state of New Jersey...rated the top tight end prospect in the East by SuperPrep...ranked as the No. 7 tight end recruit in the country by ESPN.com, No. 12 on Rivals.com and No. 17 on Scout.com.
QB - Trent Edwards, *****, also offered by Michigan, Cal, UCLA. Has played in 35 games over the past four seasons with 31 of those in a starting role ... Became the seventh player at Stanford to record 5000 career passing yards when he reached the milestone versus Navy (9/16/06) ... Ranks sixth on Stanford's career lists in pass completions (487) and attempts (865), as well as seventh in passing yards (5429), total offense (5628) and touchdown passes (36), and 10th in career completion percentage (.563, 487-865) ... Has also added 199 career rushing yards and a pair of touchdowns on the ground ... The unquestioned leader of the Cardinal offense and one of the top players in the Pac-10 Conference ... Has placed his name in the Cardinal record book among the great quarterbacks in Stanford history. One of the premiere recruits in the nation in 2001 ... Rated among the top quarterback prospects in the country by every recruiting publication ... USA Today ranked Trent the No. 1 passing quarterback in the nation ... Student Sports ranked him as the No. 2 quarterback prospect in the nation ... He was named an All-American by SuperPrep, PrepStar, Parade, Student Sports and Tom Lemming's Report, to name a few ... Member of the PrepStar's "Dream Team" and the Student Sports Top 101 ... Lemming named him the No. 7 QB in the nation and the No. 15 overall recruit ... Parade ranked him the No. 3 quarterback in the country, PrepStar ranked Trent the No. 4 QB in the nation while SuperPrep had him No. 7.
RB - Anthony Kimble, **, Fifth-year senior has finished as Stanford's top rusher each of the last two seasons. Played just two seasons of football at University Laboratory School in Baton Rouge, La...played running back, quarterback, wide receiver and returned kicks...earned first team all-district running back as a senior...accounted for over 2,700 yards in all-purpose yardage and 28 touchdowns.
FB - Emeka Nnoli, ****, also offered by USC, Washington, Cal. A consensus Prep All-American who has been rated as one of the top recruits in the nation … All-American selection by Prep Star, Super Prep, Rivals.com, Lemmings, among others … Ranked as the No. 2 fullback in the country by Lemmings, No. 3 by Super Prep and No. 10 by Prep Star … Named to Prep Star's Dream Team as one of the nation's top 100 recruits … Ranked as the No. 1 fullback in the west by PacWest Football, No. 2 running back in the west by Prep Star, No. 14 player in California by Rivals.com and No. 18 by Lemming's … Selected to play in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl.
WR - Richard Sherman, ***, also offered by UCLA, Colorado, Mississippi State, Nevada. Fifth-year senior who is penciled in as the starter at left cornerback...made the transition from wide receiver to secondary in spring drills prior to the 2009 season and started 12 of 13 games last year at cornerback...has 81 career receptions for 1,340 yards and seven touchdowns...seven career touchdown receptions are the most of any Stanford player heading into the season...led Stanford in receiving yardage as a freshman and sophomore but was limited to just four games last season after suffering a partial tear of his left patellar tendon...has averaged 16.5 yards per catch in his career to rank ninth on Stanford's all-time career list. ranked among the best wide receiver prospects in the nation...PrepStar All-West selection and SuperPrep All-Far West pick...named to the Long Beach Press Telegram's Dream Team as one of the premier recruits in the West...also earned all-state, CIF Southern Section first team and All-San Gabriel Valley first team accolades as a senior...listed as the 50th-best recruit in the nation by SuperPrep...also ranked as the No. 6 athlete in California, the No. 8 wide receiver in the state and the No. 57 athlete in the country by SuperPrep
Trent Edwards: Got hurt in 2006 and was not a part of Harbaugh's first team in 2007. The QB you are looking for is TC Ostrander who finished the season as Stanford's starter in 06 but had his career pretty much end in 07 because of seizures (I wish I was making that up, sad story).
Richard Sherman: Yes, that Richard Sherman...he was their best WR as a true frosh in 2006. Think long and hard about that one...their best WR was a 3* true frosh...what happened to the other WRs on the roster...you know the sophs, juniors, seniors and 5th year guys? And Oh...Harbaugh thought so much of his WR skills he moved him to CB.
So I guess they must have been a running team with their QB hurt and their best WR a true frosh who really should have been playing corner. Well their top rusher was a 2* who racked up a grand total of 470 yards on the ground in 2006. That's some real talent there. And your post says nothing about attrition as a team has more than 11 players and 11 players have to start on each side of the ball no matter who stays or leaves.
One more fun note...the top rated guy that you listed (besides Edwards who got hurt in 2006 and never played for Harbaugh) was Allen Smith. He got hurt in the 3rd game of the 2007 season and never played again. You know we are talking about talent on the field right?You were saying?
2006 Stanford starters
WR - Evan Moore, ***, also offered by USC, UCLA; Super Prep All-American … Ranked by Super Prep as the No. 24 recruit in the Far West … Rivals.com listed him among their top 100 recruits in the west and No. 25 on their national list of "athletes" … Lemming's, Rivals.com and The Insiders.com also listed Evan among their top recruits in the west … Insiders ranked him as the No. 2 TE/WR in the state … Prep Star All-West selection … Three-time All-Century League wide receiver … High School Heisman finalist … Selected to participate in the CaliFlorida Bowl
LT - Allen Smith, ****, also offered by Arizona State, Notre Dame, UCLA. Graduated from Corona del Sol High School in Tempe, Ariz...prep All-American who was ranked as the No. 7 offensive lineman in the country by SuperPrep...first team All-American selection by PrepStar and SuperPrep as a senior...rated as the second best recruit in Arizona by SuperPrep...listed among the top 20 offensive linemen in the nation by Rivals.com...named to the Long Beach Press Telegram's Best of the West team and earned a spot on the Tacoma News Tribune's Western Top 100...first team all-state and all-conference selection...Arizona Coaches' Association All-Star Athlete...nominated to the U.S. Army's All-American team.
LG - Josiah Vinson, ***, Also offered by Arkansas, LSU, Notre Dame, and Georgia Tech. Ranked by Tom Lemming's Report as the No. 12 offensive lineman in the nation in 2001 out of Irving High School in Texas ... First-Team All-American by Lemming's, PrepStar and Gridiron Greats ... Named to Dave Campbell's Texas Football First-Team Super Team ... Named All-Southwest by SuperPrep, PrepStar and Lemming's ... Two-time First-Team All-District ... Did not allow a sack as a junior or senior ... Had 85 "pancake blocks" as a senior, while adding 20 tackles and one sack in four games as a part-time defensive lineman ... Played in the second U.S. Army All-American Bowl in 2001.
C - Alex Fletcher, ****, also offered by USC, Georgia Tech, Rutgers, Syracuse.Three-year starter who is one of the Pac-10's top offensive linemen heading into his final campaign...listed on the Outland Trophy and Rimington Award Preseason Watch Lists. SuperPrep Elite 50 selection and consensus high school All-American coming out of St. Anthony's HS in Old Brookville, NY...SuperPrep ranked him 34th on its list of top high school recruits, as well as the top prospect in the state of New York and the third best offensive line prospect in the nation...was ranked as the second best offensive line recruit in the country and top recruit in New York by Rivals.com...was named to TheInsiders.com's 24-member All-America team and was ranked as the 20th best recruit in the country and second best offensive line prospect...earned first team All-America honors by EA Sports...two-time first team all-state, All-Long Island, all-city and All-Suburbs following his junior and senior seasons...Nike Camp and U.S. Army All-America selection...captained the East team in the U.S. Army All-America Bow
RG - Jon Cochran, ***, also offered by Iowa, Iowa State, Northwestern. Finished his career with 30 starts on the offensive line with the first 20 coming at tackle and the final 10 at right guard. Prep All-American offensive lineman from Valley High School in Iowa ... PrepStar named him to its All-American team and ranked him as the No. 11 offensive line prospect in the nation and the No. 2 offensive lineman in the Midwest following his senior season ... Selected to the All-Midlands teams by Tom Lemming's Report and SuperPrep ... Pro Prep Sports All-American Dream Team member
RT - Jeff Edwards, ***, also offered by Ohio State, Clemson, North Carolina, Maryland, Vandy. Now a fifth-year senior, Jeff enters the 2006 campaign as the team's most experienced offensive lineman ... Started 33 games at three different positions on the offensive line during his four seasons of action on The Farm. Talented offensive lineman who was named an All-American by PrepStar, All-Dixie by SuperPrep and All-Southeast by Tom Lemming's Report.
TE - Jim Dray, ***, also offered by Florida State, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Boston College, Iowa. Fifth-year senior enters the season atop the depth chart at tight end. Enjoyed an illustrious prep career at Bergen Catholic High School in Dradell, N.J....earned high school All-America honors by both PrepStar and SuperPrep...ranked as No. 6 tight end prospect in the nation by SuperPrep and No. 8 overall recruit in the state of New Jersey...rated the top tight end prospect in the East by SuperPrep...ranked as the No. 7 tight end recruit in the country by ESPN.com, No. 12 on Rivals.com and No. 17 on Scout.com.
QB - Trent Edwards, *****, also offered by Michigan, Cal, UCLA. Has played in 35 games over the past four seasons with 31 of those in a starting role ... Became the seventh player at Stanford to record 5000 career passing yards when he reached the milestone versus Navy (9/16/06) ... Ranks sixth on Stanford's career lists in pass completions (487) and attempts (865), as well as seventh in passing yards (5429), total offense (5628) and touchdown passes (36), and 10th in career completion percentage (.563, 487-865) ... Has also added 199 career rushing yards and a pair of touchdowns on the ground ... The unquestioned leader of the Cardinal offense and one of the top players in the Pac-10 Conference ... Has placed his name in the Cardinal record book among the great quarterbacks in Stanford history. One of the premiere recruits in the nation in 2001 ... Rated among the top quarterback prospects in the country by every recruiting publication ... USA Today ranked Trent the No. 1 passing quarterback in the nation ... Student Sports ranked him as the No. 2 quarterback prospect in the nation ... He was named an All-American by SuperPrep, PrepStar, Parade, Student Sports and Tom Lemming's Report, to name a few ... Member of the PrepStar's "Dream Team" and the Student Sports Top 101 ... Lemming named him the No. 7 QB in the nation and the No. 15 overall recruit ... Parade ranked him the No. 3 quarterback in the country, PrepStar ranked Trent the No. 4 QB in the nation while SuperPrep had him No. 7.
RB - Anthony Kimble, **, Fifth-year senior has finished as Stanford's top rusher each of the last two seasons. Played just two seasons of football at University Laboratory School in Baton Rouge, La...played running back, quarterback, wide receiver and returned kicks...earned first team all-district running back as a senior...accounted for over 2,700 yards in all-purpose yardage and 28 touchdowns.
FB - Emeka Nnoli, ****, also offered by USC, Washington, Cal. A consensus Prep All-American who has been rated as one of the top recruits in the nation … All-American selection by Prep Star, Super Prep, Rivals.com, Lemmings, among others … Ranked as the No. 2 fullback in the country by Lemmings, No. 3 by Super Prep and No. 10 by Prep Star … Named to Prep Star's Dream Team as one of the nation's top 100 recruits … Ranked as the No. 1 fullback in the west by PacWest Football, No. 2 running back in the west by Prep Star, No. 14 player in California by Rivals.com and No. 18 by Lemming's … Selected to play in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl.
WR - Richard Sherman, ***, also offered by UCLA, Colorado, Mississippi State, Nevada. Fifth-year senior who is penciled in as the starter at left cornerback...made the transition from wide receiver to secondary in spring drills prior to the 2009 season and started 12 of 13 games last year at cornerback...has 81 career receptions for 1,340 yards and seven touchdowns...seven career touchdown receptions are the most of any Stanford player heading into the season...led Stanford in receiving yardage as a freshman and sophomore but was limited to just four games last season after suffering a partial tear of his left patellar tendon...has averaged 16.5 yards per catch in his career to rank ninth on Stanford's all-time career list. ranked among the best wide receiver prospects in the nation...PrepStar All-West selection and SuperPrep All-Far West pick...named to the Long Beach Press Telegram's Dream Team as one of the premier recruits in the West...also earned all-state, CIF Southern Section first team and All-San Gabriel Valley first team accolades as a senior...listed as the 50th-best recruit in the nation by SuperPrep...also ranked as the No. 6 athlete in California, the No. 8 wide receiver in the state and the No. 57 athlete in the country by SuperPrep
Well look who's here! Ya know, I gotta give you credit. Most people with an ounce of pride would have never come back to face the music. Props to you for coming back after being completely owned.
Now, so I can try to keep up with you changing the argument, we're now back to Harbaugh vs Riley, correct? You've changed things so many times that I have a hard time following. You're like a woman getting ready for a formal...changing clothes multiple times until she finds something that suits the occasion.
Let me first remind you that you first said that the talent on a 1-11 team is obviously poor and it has nothing to do with the coaching. You remember, it was right before you applauded the coach whose head coaching record is 69-85, and was fired after just 2 seasons at Stanford. I think it may have been right after you reminded us all of your educational exploits and multiple languages. Or it may have been wedged in between cracking the generic code and curing cancer. I lost track, because I was clearly far too impressed with your resume. BTW, at this point, I think the board may collectively be in love with you. If you plan on running for office, let us know where to donate to the campaign.
I've already said that I would have to give Harbaugh a pass on his first loss to Riley, because it takes time to get systems in place. But you felt it necessary to continue to push the issue. I was going to let you off easy, but whoopsie, I guess I changed my mind.
Can someone translate this from gibberish and into English for me?
This post is the equivalent of waving the white flag. But please continue. I love watching you backpedal.
Oh, so your education didn't prepare you for metaphors? Did you keep your receipts?
They didn't teach stupid at Umich so I'm having a hard time following what you are saying...sorry
Hey, if the bus gets going too fast, pull the cord and the driver will slow down. Oh, I forgot, you're metaphor challenged.
Do you really want me to post the defensive side of the ball...after completely humiliating you with the offense? What a unique case study. I haven't witnessed a masochist up close and in person. As near as I can tell, you are very similar to the rest of us, with the only exception being a desire to be brutally beaten with regularity.
Maybe he meant Colombia [the country] instead of Columbia University. I love their coffee.
Actually you are not. The first rule of team boards is that if your own turn on you when you are going after an outsider that means you lost and are quite stupid. ✔ you lost because your own board has called you moronic.
The first rule of any message board is if you have to resort to name calling and grammar call outs then you have lost ✔ on that as well....means you have no real retort.
It's not a rule but if you don't know that the connotation of masochism is sexual in nature then you have little concept of what you call language arts ✔ on putting your foot in your mouth.
Constantly claiming someone has said something they didn't means your jimmies are rustled beyond belief...and that person is living rent free in your head ✔ on that...you should probably kys at this point
Wrong.... Again!! How many times do I have to correct you in this exchange? And you claim to be well educated?
Oh, you must be referring to the guy that said my premise was moronic, and we haven't heard anything from since my post of Stanford's offensive starters. Others are enjoying seeing your arrogant ass being put in its place, in the corner wearing a dunce hat.
Let me help you out. You really struggle with anything related to grammar, sentence structure, or word meaning, don't you? Was that not a part of your curriculum at Michigan?
"Masochist
A person who is gratified by pain, degradation, etc., that is self-imposed or imposed by others."
Hey, you're the one that tried using "then" instead of "than" on a message board. I was once again helping you out, so you don't have to look foolish again in the future.
Ah, the mating call of the clinically uncreative...using the same old verbiage that every other knuckle-dragger on the face of the earth uses..."Living rent-free in your head." I suppose it was only a matter of time before that phrase made its way into your response. What's next "due diligence?" Bravo, I see you've purchased the Rivals online manual of how to respond to posts.
You know you were wrong on the talent level of Stanford, and yet you continue with this charade. Just shut up for once and admit you were wrong, and I will quit abusing you.
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