With more players transfering and leaving the program early I feel that the walkon program will be more important than ever. I would like to see the huskers add at least 15 a year.
Attrition and the walkon program
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I just don't think a walk-on program can be what it once was, and I think that is due to the cost of college. If a boarder-line D1 athlete gets no/few D1 scholarship offers he's likely to get D-1aa and NAIA full ride offers/partial offers and D2 scholarships.
Sure there are other factors, other ways to get scholarships and pay for college, but a full ride or big scholarship sure takes away a lot of stress, especially if you look at the price of the education these days.
Sure there are other factors, other ways to get scholarships and pay for college, but a full ride or big scholarship sure takes away a lot of stress, especially if you look at the price of the education these days.
But but but.... Hey, don't they all get "county scholarships"??? lol
A little over a year ago, the following is an example of a conversation on here.
Question:"What about OrSU defense in year x?".
Response: "Only an idiot would say that, you bloner, blobot, boliever, their 1st string guy got hurt and they didn't have a viable backup, it's OrSU you bloner, blobot, boliever".
Some guy leaves that's buried on the depthchart, well that's a "Good luck, I hope it turns out well" moment. But, we're having guys that are GONNA PLAY, that are quitting and going somewhere else. Up until now, it's been a talk-shit-a-thon about the players that have decided to leave. Sure, some of these guys were infused with Bo's hatred, but some aren't.
A good walk-on program is not gonna save us if we can't keep guys that are needed for the future.
Question:"What about OrSU defense in year x?".
Response: "Only an idiot would say that, you bloner, blobot, boliever, their 1st string guy got hurt and they didn't have a viable backup, it's OrSU you bloner, blobot, boliever".
Some guy leaves that's buried on the depthchart, well that's a "Good luck, I hope it turns out well" moment. But, we're having guys that are GONNA PLAY, that are quitting and going somewhere else. Up until now, it's been a talk-shit-a-thon about the players that have decided to leave. Sure, some of these guys were infused with Bo's hatred, but some aren't.
A good walk-on program is not gonna save us if we can't keep guys that are needed for the future.
Kevin Williams, who else that is GONNA PLAY, quit and is going somewhere else? It happened under Pelini too. Moore, Rome, Love are three that pop in my mind right away. It happens under darn near every coach.
Let's not forget Josh Banderas, he said he was thinking of transferring under Pelini but decided against it after meeting the new staff.
Let's see, Grimm quits this year before the season even starts. Adrienne Talan, and whatever you want to call his situation last year, before the season started. Jordan Stevenson quits midseason last year. Paul Thurston transfers. My only question is do we make it through the season before the next guy quits.
Let's see, did you just started following Husker football?
Talan wasn't expected to play, that was a qualifier you had.
Moore, Rome, Love already mentioned.
Cody Green, starter that transferred under Pelini.
Aaron Curry, starter that transferred under Pelini.
Aaron Green, contributor that transferred under Pelini.
Josh Williams, contributor that transferred under Pelini.
Jared Afalava, contributor that transferred under Pelini.
Antonio Bell, contributor that transferred under Pelini.
Cooper, contributor that transferred under Pelini.
Heard, contributor that transferred under Pelini.
Martinez transferred out under Pelini.
Peat transferred out under Pelini.
Williams transferred out under Pelini.
Carnes transferred out under Pelini.
Washington (Dijon) transferred out under Pelini.
Rogers transferred out under Pelini.
Middleton transferred out under Pelini.
Klachko transferred out under Pelini.
Wald transferred out under Pelini.
Kerr transferred out under Pelini.
Pirman transferred out under Pelini.
Toailoa transferred out under Pelini.
Ward transferred out under Pelini.
Suttles transferred out under Pelini.
Robinson transferred out under Pelini.
Leverson quit under Pelini.
Marsh transferred out under Pelini.
Brown transferred out under Pelini.
Who else am I missing? It happens, every single year.
Good post one of the biggest gripes I had with Pelini is the attrition he seemed to have on a regular basis - maybe this is common as Riley seems to be on the same pace I looked at past recruiting classes once and it was about 50% of a recruiting class that even contributed on the field. Some attrition is good from non-performers but it hurts to lose guys that can help the team. There should be a concerted efffort to minimize this and now with graduate transfers being picked up I think it is possible this problem could get worse.
The one thing is that this is not limited to NU - this staff shoudl be looking and recruiting players leaving other programs hard ( maybe they are)
I'm OK with attrition. It happens at the best programs. We need to be ultra-competitive, and if a player feels like he won't see the field, so be it.
Iron sharpens iron.
Iron sharpens iron.
I'll play nice, even though the "did you just started following Husker football" statement is pretty chicken shitish. Most of the names on your list are the guys you say "good for you" and were buried on the depth chart. Yes, we'll continue to have guys transfer after their redshirt season or that are upperclassmen, both buried on the depth chart. We've had two true freshman quit before the season even STARTED, and another that quit halfway through the first season.
We may be playing a true freshman on OL. Look at our DL. This is happening everywhere? Okay.
Moore, Rome, Love already mentioned.
Cody Green, starter that transferred under Pelini.
Aaron Curry, starter that transferred under Pelini.
when did these guys start?
Aaron Green, contributor that transferred under Pelini.
Josh Williams, contributor that transferred under Pelini.
Jared Afalava, contributor that transferred under Pelini.
Antonio Bell, contributor that transferred under Pelini.
Cooper, contributor that transferred under Pelini.
Heard, contributor that transferred under Pelini.
Martinez transferred out under Pelini.
Peat transferred out under Pelini.
Williams transferred out under Pelini.
Carnes transferred out under Pelini.
Washington (Dijon) transferred out under Pelini.
Rogers transferred out under Pelini.
Middleton transferred out under Pelini.
Klachko transferred out under Pelini.
Wald transferred out under Pelini.
Kerr transferred out under Pelini.
Pirman transferred out under Pelini.
Toailoa transferred out under Pelini.
Ward transferred out under Pelini.
Suttles transferred out under Pelini.
Robinson transferred out under Pelini.
Leverson quit under Pelini.
Marsh transferred out under Pelini.
Brown transferred out under Pelini.
Who else am I missing? It happens, every single year.[/QUOTE]
Cody Green, starter that transferred under Pelini.
Aaron Curry, starter that transferred under Pelini.
when did these guys start?
Aaron Green, contributor that transferred under Pelini.
Josh Williams, contributor that transferred under Pelini.
Jared Afalava, contributor that transferred under Pelini.
Antonio Bell, contributor that transferred under Pelini.
Cooper, contributor that transferred under Pelini.
Heard, contributor that transferred under Pelini.
Martinez transferred out under Pelini.
Peat transferred out under Pelini.
Williams transferred out under Pelini.
Carnes transferred out under Pelini.
Washington (Dijon) transferred out under Pelini.
Rogers transferred out under Pelini.
Middleton transferred out under Pelini.
Klachko transferred out under Pelini.
Wald transferred out under Pelini.
Kerr transferred out under Pelini.
Pirman transferred out under Pelini.
Toailoa transferred out under Pelini.
Ward transferred out under Pelini.
Suttles transferred out under Pelini.
Robinson transferred out under Pelini.
Leverson quit under Pelini.
Marsh transferred out under Pelini.
Brown transferred out under Pelini.
Who else am I missing? It happens, every single year.[/QUOTE]
You got owned big time, and you can't even muster the courage to admit you were wrong. The only thing you care about is you hate Mike Riley and the facts don't matter. Well, the facts DO matter to everybody else, and the facts are that there is nothing unusual about the number or type of players that are leaving the program now. Sorry that interferes with your blind hatred of Riley. You are also the same person who made the completely unsubstantiated allegation that Riley and Eichorst knew of Keith Williams' drinking. And you have the unmitigated gall and nerve to suggest that someone else was being "chicken shitish"? Wow. Your behavior is disgraceful and beneath contempt.
I do believe it is fair to say that Grim, as a true Freshman, was "buried on the depth chart". Hardly someone vying to be a starter or major contributor.
I know he also started against OU in 2009. What were the other two? He was replaced by Lee in that OU game, but he did start
Thanks. I remember. 2009 was an unsettled year at QB. Too bad. Best NU defense in about 10 years was coupled with that woeful offense.
What's unfortunate is that true freshmen today who were big time stars in high school aren't always willing to wait a few years for major playing time. Stephenson left because he felt he wasn't playing enough. Talan, if I remember correctly, was buried on the depth chart. It sure seems as if grim was buried as well.
Not everyone is ok with paying their dues... Those that aren't tend to look elsewhere rather quickly. Now with Grim, I'm gonna take his word at face value. It was a homesickness issue. But this won't be the end of players going elsewhere...
Nebcountry, this is just one more thing you can pin on the coaches, I guess. But just know it is happening everywhere. You may want to think about hat before you blame the coaches on this one.
Oops, too late.
Not everyone is ok with paying their dues... Those that aren't tend to look elsewhere rather quickly. Now with Grim, I'm gonna take his word at face value. It was a homesickness issue. But this won't be the end of players going elsewhere...
Nebcountry, this is just one more thing you can pin on the coaches, I guess. But just know it is happening everywhere. You may want to think about hat before you blame the coaches on this one.
Oops, too late.
Much easier if you would've admitted you were wrong, and moved on. I won't further to you in this thread with additional facts, it seems to me that's not something you're interested in.
Cody Green started 4 games, all wins; 2 each in 2009 and 2010.
Aaron Curry started 8 games in 2013. @SnohomishRed I edited this, I thought your response included Aaron Green, not Curry, for some reason.
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Yep but a little misleading they were not starters at the time they transferred - Curry had been passed up for younger players and Green was really only the starter due to really no options in 2009 that offense was horrible . After that it was the TM show and he transferred
Grimm was a starter? Stevenson was a starter? Talan was a starter? Thurston was a starter?
The discussion wasn't who was a starter when they transferred. Let's try not to change things midway through because you feel something is misleading. You didn't know either guy started but for some reason, my post is misleading. Yikes.
Attrition is normal at major programs. It allows more scholarships for the next class. The proud walk-on program is not what it use to be. High schools don't seem to be pumping out players like they use to with Husker pride, especially considering if NDSU or SDSU, etc come calling with a scholarship and not a walk on plan. College expenses have made it tough to not go with a scholly over a walk on plan.
Imo, the coaches play it very straight with the players as to where they stand. Thurston probably should have stayed, but I am guessing we thought we were in a better position than maybe we are. Williams, well he gets a chance to prove his mettle at MSU, especially with his history of injuries - his best shot at some type of NFL shot. But, I am guessing they were telling him he would likely be competing with the twins for snaps; not the first teamers that emerged...... Alabama and SEC in general has been known for over signing and running off players not making it up depth chart early. They get raises and money and some heavy complaining from player advocates. At least our coaches and AD are big on player development and present choices. If you remember the history; in the name of competitiveness ( and fairness? ); the roster sizes and number of scholarships was drastically cut over a number of years. IMO, that cut out a lot of opportunity for talented players to get a college education; or being carried to be physically and mentally developed. and why ? .......... Critics would be jumping these coaches even more if they weren't offering enough total scholarships each year : there is an overall limit allowed. ........ Besides being homesick; one day these players can be " Cherry " in the paper, then redshirted or have a sudden work path needed to overcome new talent; another thing to handle. And some might just be, the reason the coaches are trying so hard to recruit character. .... Players also want to play, so they transfer where, or to a level that increases their chances. Includes some smart guys and often with coaches and staff assistance. Its complicated; just like teams having 40% washout rates for 4 and 5* recruits.
Staff and AD are hard at it; they don't get too take the field. Our new ball holder and real 3rd string qb, was pretty funny the other day. Says he is ready to jump back to qb to help in a pinch - when asked if he would be pleased to have a bunch of running plays called for him; he joked he would just audible out of them
So I believe that can be an issue; coaches take the heat for a poor play call, but its a qb audible , and a playground play. ....Football coach a great gig; but long hours and large variables. GBR. Now if they just had more time to come to the board, and we could all agree. Problems would all be resolved I'm sure ( but could we block coach Urban visits )
Staff and AD are hard at it; they don't get too take the field. Our new ball holder and real 3rd string qb, was pretty funny the other day. Says he is ready to jump back to qb to help in a pinch - when asked if he would be pleased to have a bunch of running plays called for him; he joked he would just audible out of them
So I believe that can be an issue; coaches take the heat for a poor play call, but its a qb audible , and a playground play. ....Football coach a great gig; but long hours and large variables. GBR. Now if they just had more time to come to the board, and we could all agree. Problems would all be resolved I'm sure ( but could we block coach Urban visits )
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If facts matter, I'm not that person that made that unsubstantiated allegation, that was someone else. If a comparison of Todd Peat/Ryan Klatcho is apples to apples with these freshman leaving before school even starts, then "yes" I'm wrong. And "no", I don't have blind hatred for Mike Riley.
Derrion Grim leaving, the OL, the DL, Hank Hughes, Keith Williams getting arrested, a spreadsheet blaming (at least how I see it) walk-ons as the reason for a loss to purdue, a losing season, all of that pushed me to a point that I don't like to be at. And season 2 hasn't even started. Another person can come on here and question my fandomness and now I'm the one that's disgraceful and beneath contempt.
I'm tired. You win. You guys can celebrate Mike Riley picking up trash or having a nice press conference, and I'm not gonna say anything.
Will believe that you don't say anything when I see it. Or more appropriately. When I don't see it.
Nebcountry, I would like to see your criticisms of the coaches compared to your praises of the coaches.
If you wonder why people are giving you a hard time, you'll find your answer there.
Sorry-that was someone with a similar name. I apologize for that charge, and without that, saying you're disgraceful and beneath contempt is unfair. But you're still showing a clear preconceived bias against Riley which is unfair too.
I don't know what relevance this has. I've heard about this, but I've never seen it. But it was supposedly made up by some fan. If you didn't like it, then criticize the person who made it-that shouldn't have anything to do with the coaches.
I also don't know why Hank Hughes is listed by you as a negative. He got rid of a coach that wasn't getting it done. Was he supposed to have kept him on?
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I really am not picking on the staff because a kid got homesick - better early than late in my opinion - But you posted this stuff not me and you used their role as a starter to strengthen your point - but fact is they both transferred because they were buried on the depth chart and were not even close to starting when they transferred
Why must a persons opinion be balanced - This staff did not have a good first year that is the facts - people can spin it on lack of talent (heck some bagged on Gangwish because he was a walkon and he is getting a shot at an NFL team) or the stockholm syndrome with Bo and the players. yet the simple fact is the team had a losing record because of decisions made by the coaching staff. It was their decision to try and turn Tommie into a NFL QB, it was their decisions that made us pass happy in the Purdue game, that called pass play but told the QB to run in the Illinois game, It was their decision to play man coverage with corners who were not very good at it.
We lost games to teams frankly we should not have lost to. Now if you couple that with some fans not being happy with picking a coach with a .500% career winning percent then yes there are reasons to be in a show me mode before you jump on the bandwagon.
This is a discussion board not a Clinton rally - I hope the staff and team has a great year and of course not everything is wrong but I can appreciate the position that we have issues right now
Oh, I don't know maybe because it's fair and it's the truth? Who needs that balanced stuff? Let's just pretend that the players leaving now is unprecedented and never happened under the previous staff or any other staff before that even though it's not true(as was pretty throughly shown above). I mean who needs those facts when it's so much more fun to just ignore that and indulge in blind hatred of Riley?
The fact is, neither player was buried on the depth chart.
Cody Green was the #2 QB, playing in 17 games with 4 starts. Aaron Curry was a returning starter, also playing in 17 games with 8 starts, and was losing that starting spot in fall camp and transferred.
#2 on the depth chart is NOT "buried on the depth chart". Neither player was posted to strengthen an argument, they were posted as facts. Something you're having a difficult time understanding but that isn't a surprise, you had no clue either player started a game.
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