Athleticism

[dbleagle1]

So, I keep hearing about Nebby's "athleticism" and speed vs Iowa's lack of both.......Let's take a look.......full disclosure, I am a huge Iowa fan........

QB - Beathard vs Armstrong - Probably equal on athleticism and speed but Beathard is a better QB - Advantage - Hawks

RB - Newby/Cross vs Daniels/Canzeri/Wadley - Wadley is probably the fastest RB on the field and Canzeri is right there speed wise. Although Newby/Cross are decent RB's, speed advantage definitely goes to Iowa here......

WR - Westercamp/Moore/Reilly/Turner vs Vandeberg/Smith/Hillyer/McCarron - Westercamp is the best of this group because of his combination of speed and experience. Vandeberg isn't necessarily fast but good at getting open and both Smiths are fast. However, Nebraska has the advantage here.

TE - Carter/Cotton vs Krieger Coble/Kittle - Speed probably about the same, experience Hawks. Advantage Hawks.

OL - Both decent offensive lines. I will call this a draw or slight advantage to Hawks

DL - Collins/Vanentine/Gangwish vs Meier/Johnson/Hesse - Nebraska has a good d line when Valentine decides he wants to play. So, it will depend on that. Speedwise, Meier might be the most athletic and fastest of this group. However, have to give slight advantage to the Huskers on this one

LB - Banderas/Newby/Young vs Niemann/Jewel/Fisher - Athleticism about the same, Jewell is a beast. I will call this a draw

DB - Jones/Cockrell/Gerry/Kalu vs Mabin/Taylor/Lomax/King - Lomax and Taylor are pretty fast. No real athletic advantage here for either side - Mabin can be a liability at times. However, Desmond King is the best DB on the field on Friday, period. Slight advantage Hawks

Kicker - Who cares other than as good as Koehn can be from 57 yards on the left hash, the dude needs to be able to string together several extra points in a row for crying out loud.

So, I fail to see how NU is more "athletic" and faster. It's easy to sit around and argue it but when you get down to it, they seem fairly equal to me. Memorial Stadium is definitely a tough place to play as I grew up in SW IA and went to a number of NU games with friends. As I see it, both teams are fairly equally matched.......Just my 2 cents........

Iowa - 31 Nebraska - 28

 

[cubsker]

Collins is the best athlete of anyone on either DL and I don't think it's close. The spot where we think we have a gigantic athletic edge is our WR and Carter against your secondary.

 

[rk#5]

So, I keep hearing about Nebby's "athleticism" and speed vs Iowa's lack of both.......Let's take a look.......full disclosure, I am a huge Iowa fan........

QB - Beathard vs Armstrong - Probably equal on athleticism and speed but Beathard is a better QB - Advantage - Hawks

RB - Newby/Cross vs Daniels/Canzeri/Wadley - Wadley is probably the fastest RB on the field and Canzeri is right there speed wise. Although Newby/Cross are decent RB's, speed advantage definitely goes to Iowa here......

WR - Westercamp/Moore/Reilly/Turner vs Vandeberg/Smith/Hillyer/McCarron - Westercamp is the best of this group because of his combination of speed and experience. Vandeberg isn't necessarily fast but good at getting open and both Smiths are fast. However, Nebraska has the advantage here.

TE - Carter/Cotton vs Krieger Coble/Kittle - Speed probably about the same, experience Hawks. Advantage Hawks.

OL - Both decent offensive lines. I will call this a draw or slight advantage to Hawks

DL - Collins/Vanentine/Gangwish vs Meier/Johnson/Hesse - Nebraska has a good d line when Valentine decides he wants to play. So, it will depend on that. Speedwise, Meier might be the most athletic and fastest of this group. However, have to give slight advantage to the Huskers on this one

LB - Banderas/Newby/Young vs Niemann/Jewel/Fisher - Athleticism about the same, Jewell is a beast. I will call this a draw

DB - Jones/Cockrell/Gerry/Kalu vs Mabin/Taylor/Lomax/King - Lomax and Taylor are pretty fast. No real athletic advantage here for either side - Mabin can be a liability at times. However, Desmond King is the best DB on the field on Friday, period. Slight advantage Hawks

Kicker - Who cares other than as good as Koehn can be from 57 yards on the left hash, the dude needs to be able to string together several extra points in a row for crying out loud.

So, I fail to see how NU is more "athletic" and faster. It's easy to sit around and argue it but when you get down to it, they seem fairly equal to me. Memorial Stadium is definitely a tough place to play as I grew up in SW IA and went to a number of NU games with friends. As I see it, both teams are fairly equally matched.......Just my 2 cents........

Iowa - 31 Nebraska - 28

Not bad I don't think, but even being an Iowa fan also there is no way you can call the Nebraska DLine a slight advantage. Collins and Valentine alone make it a pretty good advantage. There ends might not be as good, but I believe they are equal to Iowa's.

 

[leodisflowers]

So, I keep hearing about Nebby's "athleticism" and speed vs Iowa's lack of both.......Let's take a look.......full disclosure, I am a huge Iowa fan........

QB - Beathard vs Armstrong - Probably equal on athleticism and speed but Beathard is a better QB - Advantage - Hawks

RB - Newby/Cross vs Daniels/Canzeri/Wadley - Wadley is probably the fastest RB on the field and Canzeri is right there speed wise. Although Newby/Cross are decent RB's, speed advantage definitely goes to Iowa here......

WR - Westercamp/Moore/Reilly/Turner vs Vandeberg/Smith/Hillyer/McCarron - Westercamp is the best of this group because of his combination of speed and experience. Vandeberg isn't necessarily fast but good at getting open and both Smiths are fast. However, Nebraska has the advantage here.

TE - Carter/Cotton vs Krieger Coble/Kittle - Speed probably about the same, experience Hawks. Advantage Hawks.

OL - Both decent offensive lines. I will call this a draw or slight advantage to Hawks

DL - Collins/Vanentine/Gangwish vs Meier/Johnson/Hesse - Nebraska has a good d line when Valentine decides he wants to play. So, it will depend on that. Speedwise, Meier might be the most athletic and fastest of this group. However, have to give slight advantage to the Huskers on this one

LB - Banderas/Newby/Young vs Niemann/Jewel/Fisher - Athleticism about the same, Jewell is a beast. I will call this a draw

DB - Jones/Cockrell/Gerry/Kalu vs Mabin/Taylor/Lomax/King - Lomax and Taylor are pretty fast. No real athletic advantage here for either side - Mabin can be a liability at times. However, Desmond King is the best DB on the field on Friday, period. Slight advantage Hawks

Kicker - Who cares other than as good as Koehn can be from 57 yards on the left hash, the dude needs to be able to string together several extra points in a row for crying out loud.

So, I fail to see how NU is more "athletic" and faster. It's easy to sit around and argue it but when you get down to it, they seem fairly equal to me. Memorial Stadium is definitely a tough place to play as I grew up in SW IA and went to a number of NU games with friends. As I see it, both teams are fairly equally matched.......Just my 2 cents........

Iowa - 31 Nebraska - 28

Your post is all over the place.. You said lets take a look at speed an athleticism.

QB - Armstrong is more athletic and faster than Beathard... Beathard is a better decision maker and not a turnover machine, but Tommy is clearly more athletic
RB - Hawks may have the advantage, but I'm not sure either of your backs are a fast as Newby.
WR - Clear Advantage NU
TE - Speed and Athleticism - Clearly NU. Are you TE's more consistent yes, but Carter is a lot better athlete than anything you have.
OL - Hawks Edge
DL - NU Edge
LB - Yours are playing better in the scheme, but I don't think you are as athletic. Draw
DB - Draw

If you are basing your argument on speed an athleticism you are wrong.. NU has a clear edge. Who plays better at this point, the Hawks have the edge.

 

[huskerssalts]

Well i think this would be better from someone none bias but ill give my take

QBs...depends which Tommy we are talking about, if its when hes off, Its the Iowa QB but when Tommys hitting the mark, its easily Armstrong. When its scrambling we are comparing, id take Tommy all day, hes fast and hes 220 pounds so hes also got power to go with the speed. I'll give this one a draw.

RBs....with Cross and Jano i believe we win the power game but speed wise, possibly Iowa but Newby is a fast back as well with great hands, theres a reason dude was a 6.0 4 star RB...since its power back Huskers and speed Iowa, i give this a draw.

WR.....no need to break this one down, advantage Huskers.

TE....well depends what tyoe TE we want here, recieving wise id take Carter all day, hes more athletic then all the TEs on the Huskers and Iowa. Now if you run blocking or blocking in general, id say Iowa here but Carter is good at that too....so again we will go with a draw since its receiving Huskers and blocking Iowa

Oline....we may be better pass blocking but Iowa is better at run blocking....so slight edge Iowa

Dline....Valentine and Collins are the ones who own this one so Advantage Huskers

LB....I will agree with the Hawkeye here...drawing

DBs...this one is hard. If its earlier in the year id say Iowa, but now that we have everyone and there jelling and got are starters figured out and i think Natr Gerry is the best DB on both teams, slight edge Huskers.

Kicker/punters.....oh trust me, this one matters a lot. Us having an elite punter coukd change a lot Friday by flilping the field and Brown has been money since first few games from anywhere, 50 yards and under....advantage Huskers.

So my take, tryed being natural as possible, is slight advantage Huskers here. But i am a Husker fan...and you an Iowa fan, we are both going to lean towards are team a bit more.

 

[dbleagle1]

Not bad I don't think, but even being an Iowa fan also there is no way you can call the Nebraska DLine a slight advantage. Collins and Valentine alone make it a pretty good advantage. There ends might not be as good, but I believe they are equal to Iowa's.

I based that on whether Valentine decides to show up or not. Also, I think Iowa's D line is spent as they don't seem to substitute near enough. Towards the end of the year, they are getting worn out.......The loss of Drew Ott was huge and looms much larger now. So, if Valentine shows up, I will agree that NU has the definite advantage here.......

 

[Tigerblood72]

I based that on whether Valentine decides to show up or not. Also, I think Iowa's D line is spent as they don't seem to substitute near enough. Towards the end of the year, they are getting worn out.......The loss of Drew Ott was huge and looms much larger now. So, if Valentine shows up, I will agree that NU has the definite advantage here.......

You keep saying if he decides to show up? What game or games are you referring too? He's played good all year, even when he was hurt. Explain. I would like to add I would give the OLINE advantage to the hawks.

 

[NorthWillRiseAgain]

You keep saying if he decides to show up? What game or games are you referring too? He's played good all year, even when he was hurt. Explain. I would like to add I would give the OLINE advantage to the hawks.

The ones with no stats? Those are the ones valentine didn't play, so if he means show up as "play", I guess so..

 

[dbleagle1]

Your post is all over the place.. You said lets take a look at speed an athleticism.

QB - Armstrong is more athletic and faster than Beathard... Beathard is a better decision maker and not a turnover machine, but Tommy is clearly more athletic
RB - Hawks may have the advantage, but I'm not sure either of your backs are a fast as Newby.
WR - Clear Advantage NU
TE - Speed and Athleticism - Clearly NU. Are you TE's more consistent yes, but Carter is a lot better athlete than anything you have.
OL - Hawks Edge
DL - NU Edge
LB - Yours are playing better in the scheme, but I don't think you are as athletic. Draw
DB - Draw

If you are basing your argument on speed an athleticism you are wrong.. NU has a clear edge. Who plays better at this point, the Hawks have the edge.

Fair enough.......However, have you watched Beathard at all this year? He is much faster than you think (or other defenses for that matter). My only point there was that he is a better quarterback in general and the qb ratings support it (fewer turnovers, better decision making).......speed is more equal than you think. Having said all of this, I actually like Armstrong and how he runs your offense. I live in Nebraska and am married to a Husker fan so I pay more attention than I would otherwise......

Wadley is definitely as fast or faster than Newby........When he turns the corner, he's gone.

Definitely agree with you on the WR. However, there is just something about a guy who knows how to get open......Vandeberg is that guy. But, Nebraska definitely has advantage here.

I'm not sure how my post is all over the place, I just gave my opinion on the athleticism of both teams as a whole.......Not a clear advantage at all for either side IMHO.

Should be a good game.......

 

[Cornicator]

Out at any homer calling Beathard an equal "athlete" than Armstrong.

So, I keep hearing about Nebby's "athleticism" and speed vs Iowa's lack of both.......Let's take a look.......full disclosure, I am a huge Iowa fan........

QB - Beathard vs Armstrong - Probably equal on athleticism and speed but Beathard is a better QB - Advantage - Hawks

If you really believe Beathard is an equal athlete, then you're stupid.




RB - Newby/Cross vs Daniels/Canzeri/Wadley - Wadley is probably the fastest RB on the field and Canzeri is right there speed wise. Although Newby/Cross are decent RB's, speed advantage definitely goes to Iowa here......

Terrell Newby, the former Los Angeles HS Player of the Year, is the fastest RB on the field, and that's not really up for debate. If you want to argue that Iowa has better backs, I will buy that. But if you're wanting to discuss "speed," then its Newby. You're wong if you think otherwise.



WR - Westercamp/Moore/Reilly/Turner vs Vandeberg/Smith/Hillyer/McCarron - Westercamp is the best of this group because of his combination of speed and experience. Vandeberg isn't necessarily fast but good at getting open and both Smiths are fast. However, Nebraska has the advantage here.

Brandon Reilly and Alonzo Moore of Nebraska are the 2 fastest Receivers on the field.


TE - Carter/Cotton vs Krieger Coble/Kittle - Speed probably about the same, experience Hawks. Advantage Hawks.

Again, your stupidity has no bounds. Cethan Carter is arguably the most NFL ready skill player for either team.


OL - Both decent offensive lines. I will call this a draw or slight advantage to Hawks
I think its very amusing that that you can't see the only position grouping where Iowa is definitely better across the board. Iowa has the best run blocking unit in the league. Nebraska is better at Pass Pro, but that's about it.

DL - Collins/Vanentine/Gangwish vs Meier/Johnson/Hesse - Nebraska has a good d line when Valentine decides he wants to play. So, it will depend on that. Speedwise, Meier might be the most athletic and fastest of this group. However, have to give slight advantage to the Huskers on this one.

You should seperate the Dtackles and the Dends. Nebraska is deeper and more athletic in the interior. Iowa is much better at DEnd because of Meier. Hesse and Gangwish are about even. McMullen is really a Dtackle playing Dend.

LB - Banderas/Newby/Young vs Niemann/Jewel/Fisher - Athleticism about the same, Jewell is a beast. .. Banderas/Newby/Young are as athletic as any linebackers in the Big Ten.

DB - Jones/Cockrell/Gerry/Kalu vs Mabin/Taylor/Lomax/King - Lomax and Taylor are pretty fast. No real athletic advantage here for either side - Mabin can be a liability at times. However, Desmond King is the best DB on the field on Friday, period. Slight advantage Hawks

Slight advantage? This isn't really close

Kicker - Who cares other than as good as Koehn can be from 57 yards on the left hash, the dude needs to be able to string together several extra points in a row for crying out loud.

So, I fail to see how NU is more "athletic" and faster. It's easy to sit around and argue it but when you get down to it, they seem fairly equal to me. Memorial Stadium is definitely a tough place to play as I grew up in SW IA and went to a number of NU games with friends. As I see it, both teams are fairly equally matched.......Just my 2 cents........




Iowa - 31 Nebraska - 28

 

[dbleagle1]

Well i think this would be better from someone none bias but ill give my take

QBs...depends which Tommy we are talking about, if its when hes off, Its the Iowa QB but when Tommys hitting the mark, its easily Armstrong. When its scrambling we are comparing, id take Tommy all day, hes fast and hes 220 pounds so hes also got power to go with the speed. I'll give this one a draw.

RBs....with Cross and Jano i believe we win the power game but speed wise, possibly Iowa but Newby is a fast back as well with great hands, theres a reason dude was a 6.0 4 star RB...since its power back Huskers and speed Iowa, i give this a draw.

WR.....no need to break this one down, advantage Huskers.

TE....well depends what tyoe TE we want here, recieving wise id take Carter all day, hes more athletic then all the TEs on the Huskers and Iowa. Now if you run blocking or blocking in general, id say Iowa here but Carter is good at that too....so again we will go with a draw since its receiving Huskers and blocking Iowa

Oline....we may be better pass blocking but Iowa is better at run blocking....so slight edge Iowa

Dline....Valentine and Collins are the ones who own this one so Advantage Huskers

LB....I will agree with the Hawkeye here...drawing

DBs...this one is hard. If its earlier in the year id say Iowa, but now that we have everyone and there jelling and got are starters figured out and i think Natr Gerry is the best DB on both teams, slight edge Huskers.

Kicker/punters.....oh trust me, this one matters a lot. Us having an elite punter coukd change a lot Friday by flilping the field and Brown has been money since first few games from anywhere, 50 yards and under....advantage Huskers.

So my take, tryed being natural as possible, is slight advantage Huskers here. But i am a Husker fan...and you an Iowa fan, we are both going to lean towards are team a bit more.

I say King is best of both teams........ I hope he stays for one more year!! I will agree Gerry is a stud though.......I think what separates them is King's ball skills........

 

[z28craz]

IMO if we're talking pure athletisim, it's NU advantage at every level with the exception of the OL.

If we're talking how well the units play together and execute the schemes, then the advantage is to Iowa, but NU is very quickly catching up and may have jelled just enough and bought into and learned the schemes just enough to give Iowa an L.

IMO this game comes down to 2 things for the Huskers. If our rush defense holds up the way that it has all season, and Tommy takes care of the ball on offense and doesn't make any crucial mistakes, this game is all Huskers. I think this is one of those games where if the Huskers can do these 2 things effectively, the final score will be relatively close, but the game will be well controled by the Huskers from start to finish with little doubt of the final outcome.

On the other hand if Iowa can establish the LOS on offsense and force TA to make a couple of mistakes then this game will be Iowa's to lose. I just happen to think NU has come along just enough this year to make this a Husker victory. Only time will tell. GBR!

 

[otismotis08]

IMO, neither team really possesses the speed and athleticism needed to compete on the big stage. We're the typical B1G lineups. Whoever plays the cleanest game will win.

 

[dbleagle1]

You keep saying if he decides to show up? What game or games are you referring too? He's played good all year, even when he was hurt. Explain. I would like to add I would give the OLINE advantage to the hawks.

Since I am married to a huge Husker fan and most of my friends are Husker fans, I watch most NU games. There are times when Valentine dominates and there are times he just disappears for quarters at a time. It may be because he is spent, but, it's hard to tell what happens. I have seen times where he just locks up with an OL and doesn't go any further.......You would never see Suh disappear in games.......he dominated entire games. I am not trying to compare Valentine to Suh (that would be silly) but I am saying that the great ones are a factor the entire game. He has had an ok season but to me, it could have been better. Who knows, he may be a star on Friday. We'll see.......

 

[dbleagle1]

IMO, neither team really possesses the speed and athleticism needed to compete on the big stage. We're the typical B1G lineups. Whoever plays the cleanest game will win.

I don't disagree here........If Iowa happens to win on Friday and win in Indy, it will be interesting to see how they would fare in a playoff game........

 

[leodisflowers]

Fair enough.......However, have you watched Beathard at all this year? He is much faster than you think (or other defenses for that matter). My only point there was that he is a better quarterback in general and the qb ratings support it (fewer turnovers, better decision making).......speed is more equal than you think. Having said all of this, I actually like Armstrong and how he runs your offense. I live in Nebraska and am married to a Husker fan so I pay more attention than I would otherwise......

Wadley is definitely as fast or faster than Newby........When he turns the corner, he's gone.

Definitely agree with you on the WR. However, there is just something about a guy who knows how to get open......Vandeberg is that guy. But, Nebraska definitely has advantage here.

I'm not sure how my post is all over the place, I just gave my opinion on the athleticism of both teams as a whole.......Not a clear advantage at all for either side IMHO.

Should be a good game.......

I'm just saying it is all over the place because you wanted to compare speed and athleticism but went on to who the potential better player is. I've actually watched the Hawks a good amount this year. Cj is a good QB, and he has some quickness, but he doesn't hurdle defenders, have the elusiveness of Tommy, and I do think Tommy is faster.

Like I said, Iowa has some good players, and they have definitely played better football. The don't make a ton of mistakes or hurt themselves and are very solid as a whole team. Not knocking them at all. Just stating athletically I think NU has the edge. Good discussion points though. I generally agree.

 

[dbleagle1]

Out at any homer calling Beathard an equal "athlete" than Armstrong.

Of course I am a homer......however, defenses that have not respected Beathard's speed have watched him run by them.......From the athleticism perspective, his ability to throw on the run and quick release make him an equal athlete as a QB. Now, if you moved them both to WR, I would give Armstrong the nod. Again, pure speed wise, Beathard is underestimated by everyone.......including message boards.

 

[spoke8]

Unless Nebraska has improved dramatically, I just don't expect their defense to hold up. NU has lost that black shirt
nastiness that made them so fun to watch. NU fans...what has happened defensively?...seem to have talented
players, but the plays and points surrendered is ridiculous. Your D needs more of something, just can't figure out what is needed?

 

[BigRedBugeaters]

Would take Cethan Carter over about any TE in B1G

 

[cidsports]

He was a 4**** recruit out of Illinois. Junior DT Jaleel Johnson is outstanding, if 100%. He is playing better than last year's DTs.

peace

 

[red rover 70]

IMO, neither team really possesses the speed and athleticism needed to compete on the big stage. We're the typical B1G lineups. Whoever plays the cleanest game will win.

Disagree. In my opinion we have talent but lack the depth. Michigan State is "Big Stage" and we matched them blow for blow.

 

[BigRedballz]

I'm just saying it is all over the place because you wanted to compare speed and athleticism but went on to who the potential better player is. I've actually watched the Hawks a good amount this year. Cj is a good QB, and he has some quickness, but he doesn't hurdle defenders, have the elusiveness of Tommy, and I do think Tommy is faster.

Like I said, Iowa has some good players, and they have definitely played better football. The don't make a ton of mistakes or hurt themselves and are very solid as a whole team. Not knocking them at all. Just stating athletically I think NU has the edge. Good discussion points though. I generally agree.

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CP2HJYaUwAA2zJI.mp4
I don't believe I've seen CJ do anything close to this.

 

[NoFakePuntPls]

Your post is all over the place.. You said lets take a look at speed an athleticism.

QB - Armstrong is more athletic and faster than Beathard... Beathard is a better decision maker and not a turnover machine, but Tommy is clearly more athletic
RB - Hawks may have the advantage, but I'm not sure either of your backs are a fast as Newby.
WR - Clear Advantage NU
TE - Speed and Athleticism - Clearly NU. Are you TE's more consistent yes, but Carter is a lot better athlete than anything you have.
OL - Hawks Edge
DL - NU Edge
LB - Yours are playing better in the scheme, but I don't think you are as athletic. Draw
DB - Draw

If you are basing your argument on speed an athleticism you are wrong.. NU has a clear edge. Who plays better at this point, the Hawks have the edge.

You mean we aren't as black, I think is what you are trying to say

 

[cecilB]

Out at any homer calling Beathard an equal "athlete" than Armstrong.

Yes, and the same for those claiming carter over little on the athleticism arguement. This week is very funny. I know most don't have ties and interest in both programs, but if one does, boy is it entertaining

 

[husker2612]

Fair enough.......However, have you watched Beathard at all this year? He is much faster than you think (or other defenses for that matter). My only point there was that he is a better quarterback in general and the qb ratings support it (fewer turnovers, better decision making).......speed is more equal than you think. Having said all of this, I actually like Armstrong and how he runs your offense. I live in Nebraska and am married to a Husker fan so I pay more attention than I would otherwise......

Wadley is definitely as fast or faster than Newby........When he turns the corner, he's gone.

Definitely agree with you on the WR. However, there is just something about a guy who knows how to get open......Vandeberg is that guy. But, Nebraska definitely has advantage here.

I'm not sure how my post is all over the place, I just gave my opinion on the athleticism of both teams as a whole.......Not a clear advantage at all for either side IMHO.

Should be a good game.......

Armstrong is this teams weakest link and strongest. This games result will depend on how he plays.

 

[Cornicator]

Yes, and the same for those claiming carter over little on the athleticism arguement. This week is very funny. I know most don't have ties and interest in both programs, but if one does, boy is it entertaining

You're dreaming. Cethan Carter is literally the top pro skill prospect for either team.

 

[dbleagle1]

Armstrong is this teams weakest link and strongest. This games result will depend on how he plays.

Well put.....as I have said before, I like Armstrong. Iowa's defensive ends are going to have to keep him in the pocket where he struggles. His biggest plays this year have been outside the pocket. If they don't, it could be a long day for Hawkeye fans.......If they do, the Hawks have their best chance of leaving Memorial Stadium a winner.......

 

[dbleagle1]

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CP2HJYaUwAA2zJI.mp4
I don't believe I've seen CJ do anything close to this.

True, however, has Tommy done anything like CJ's touchdown dive against Indiana? And, CJ has been hurt most of the year......enough that he could hardly walk. The guy is more athletic than people give him credit for........and a better in the pocket with a quicker release........

 

[timnsun]

You mean we aren't as black, I think is what you are trying to say

Smh at how you arrived at this from the post you quoted...

 

[otismotis08]

Disagree. In my opinion we have talent but lack the depth. Michigan State is "Big Stage" and we matched them blow for blow.

Disagree. This is the same team that lost to Purdue and NW the two previous weeks. Talent-wise, we are an average B1G team that had a good game against Sparty.