ACC discussing about Cal and Stanford joining the conference

[scarletred]

Sources cautioned that the two scheduled discussions are in the embryonic stages..

ACC is locked in to television deal with ESPN till 2036.The potential additions of the two schools do not project to be financial game changers..

Really odd that the ACC would even consider Cal and Stanford..

 

[MargotDeeper]

Stanford draws Notre Dame football's interest.

 

[Redmich]

Sources cautioned that the two scheduled discussions are in the embryonic stages..

ACC is locked in to television deal with ESPN till 2036.The potential additions of the two schools do not project to be financial game changers..

Really odd that the ACC would even consider Cal and Stanford..

They are being proactive for when FSU/Clemson + others leave

 

[redwine65]

I'd send nw to ivy...it's clear they can't handle football
then put nd in nw place..don't need 500 chicago schools
then add cal and stanford...to get to 20 teams
4, 5 teams rotating pods...(cal would have to be in a NU, iowa, wis, min...pod...since they are in most need of a life raft)
then just sit at 20 teams...till the sec/espn pillages the acc...
then pick up smu, houston, miami and nc..24 teams
and cal can go back to the a 6 team west pod...
and ours can be , NU, iowa, wis, min, smu, houston
and the 2 east pods can take in miami and nc..

 

[Dean Pope]

Sources cautioned that the two scheduled discussions are in the embryonic stages..

ACC is locked in to television deal with ESPN till 2036.The potential additions of the two schools do not project to be financial game changers..

Really odd that the ACC would even consider Cal and Stanford..

I agree. Isn't that scenario about the same as the Big 10 adding Washington and Oregon?

 

[scarletred]

I'd send nw to ivy...it's clear they can't handle football
them put nd in nw place..don't need 500 chicago schools
then add cal and stanford...to get to 20 teams
4, 5 teams rotating pods...(cal would have to be in a NU, iowa, wis, min...pod...since they are in most need of a life raft)
then just sit at 20 teams...till the sec/espn pillages the acc...
then pick up smu, houston, miami and nc..24 teams
and cal can go back to the west pod...

ND has to break ties with the ACC and it’s independence.. Don’t think ND wants to get rid of either one..

Does Stanford and Cal even fill half their stadium’s at home ?Don’t believe so..

 

[scarletred]

I agree. Isn't that scenario about the same as the Big 10 adding Washington and Oregon?

The B1G grabbed the 4 best money maker teams in that conference …

So not not even close..

 

[Dean Pope]

The B1G grabbed the 4 best money maker teams in that conference …

So not not even close..

UCLA and USC- sure but I was referring to more recent events. But adding two west coast teams that had zero leverage when you're already locked into TV contracts-- that's the part that I said was similar.

 

[redwine65]

ND has to break ties with the ACC and it’s independence.. Don’t think ND wants to get rid of either one..

Does Stanford and Cal even fill half their stadium’s at home ?Don’t believe so..

it doesn't matter what nd wants..they will need to be in one of the 2 super conferences..or be left out perminatly.
and the usc, ucla, oregon, and washington will need couple cup cakes..
plus this would make the B1G's nerd divisions happy...
we need to be playing in dallas and houston so rhule can release his recruiting hounds after games..

 

[Pennsyhusker]

This shit just needs to stop. Even if the B1G beats the ACC to it and we get to 20 schools, what is to say in a year or two that two or three B1G schools won't decide to defect to an SEC that wants to get to 45 schools. The volatility of teams going everywhere right now means that nothing is stable and flux is now the new order. And we are rapidly reaching a point therefore where conferences are going to become so big that they are actually meaningless except for TV deals. Heck, we are probably already at that stage. College football conferences are now nothing more than utterly artificial constructs that are the product of TV marketing gurus and corporate lawyers.

And soon there will be profit sharing for the players mandated by the courts. NIL will look like chump change in comparison. And when that happens college football will just be a semi-pro league tied to TV contracts and athlete millionaires. We should stop referring to leagues by their old timey cute names like Big Ten or Big Twelve. We should just rename them the "Fox/NBC conference" or the "ABC/ESPN conference".

And if that is what happens then so be it. Nothing ever stays the same. But it does not mean that I have to like it. And the main reason I do not like it is that I think this whole new world of college football does not favor the Nebraska's of the sport. It will favor big market teams. We were once a big market team in terms of our overall national following and our "brand", despite our rural lack of population. But we are no longer that brand. And the only way we will survive in this new order is to recover that brand and to do it sooner rather than later.

If Rhule fails I think we are in deep Kim Chi. Only a huge hire like an Urban Meyer would save us at that point. But I do not think Rhule will fail. I think Trev was a genius in landing him.

In Rhule I trust.

 

[Huskers123456]

This shit just needs to stop. Even if the B1G beats the ACC to it and we get to 20 schools, what is to say in a year or two that two or three B1G schools won't decide to defect to an SEC that wants to get to 45 schools. The volatility of teams going everywhere right now means that nothing is stable and flux is now the new order. And we are rapidly reaching a point therefore where conferences are going to become so big that they are actually meaningless except for TV deals. Heck, we are probably already at that stage. College football conferences are now nothing more than utterly artificial constructs that are the product of TV marketing gurus and corporate lawyers.

And soon there will be profit sharing for the players mandated by the courts. NIL will look like chump change in comparison. And when that happens college football will just be a semi-pro league tied to TV contracts and athlete millionaires. We should stop referring to leagues by their old timey cute names like Big Ten or Big Twelve. We should just rename them the "Fox/NBC conference" or the "ABC/ESPN conference".

And if that is what happens then so be it. Nothing ever stays the same. But it does not mean that I have to like it. And the main reason I do not like it is that I think this whole new world of college football does not favor the Nebraska's of the sport. It will favor big market teams. We were once a big market team in terms of our overall national following and our "brand", despite our rural lack of population. But we are no longer that brand. And the only way we will survive in this new order is to recover that brand and to do it sooner rather than later.

If Rhule fails I think we are in deep Kim Chi. Only a huge hire like an Urban Meyer would save us at that point. But I do not think Rhule will fail. I think Trev was a genius in landing him.

In Rhule I trust.

Things should stabilize in the east. ESPN won't pay more for extra teams being added to the SEC and the buyout for teams leaving the ACC is huge.

 

[scarletred]

UCLA and USC- sure but I was referring to more recent events. But adding two west coast teams that had zero leverage when you're already locked into TV contracts-- that's the part that I said was similar.

Warren left with unfinished business so we don’t exactly know what our contract is except for the TV stations carrying 4 stations of games…

New AD was handed a pile of $&it in his hands straightening this mess up..

 

[Pennsyhusker]

Things should stabilize in the east. ESPN won't pay more for extra teams being added to the SEC and the buyout for teams leaving the ACC is huge.

This is our only hope I think for some sanity in all of this. And that is that there might be natural financial limits built into these TV contracts in the form of huge buy out clauses if you choose to bolt to a new conference. I think this is why we see conferences now tied into deals through 2036 and so on. Even the networks do not want to put up with the precariousness of an ever changing landscape.

Nevertheless, that also could all change in a heartbeat. This latest round of defections, all from the Pac12, was caused by the shit TV contract they had. And all it will take for the volatility to spread is for ever-better TV deals for somebody else's conference to make yours seem like chump change. Or ... for some Network like ABC/ESPN to decide that it only wants to cover big name teams playing other big name teams in a kind of super conference made up of only 40 or so teams and for which it will pay huge bucks. They may just say "we ain't going to televise Rutgers or Northwestern or Indiana or Iowa State or Kansas football anymore."

So I agree, there is currently some stability on the horizon. But for how long??

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

Curious what ACC fans think of this. I love it...because we don't need 4 schools in our conference from the worst state in the country....and frankly I don't think Cal really GAF about football anymore and Stanford is probably going to be a bottom feeder going forward.

...deer baby Jesus...please let this merger happen.

 

[Huskers123456]

UCLA and USC- sure but I was referring to more recent events. But adding two west coast teams that had zero leverage when you're already locked into TV contracts-- that's the part that I said was similar.

They got Oregon and Washington relatively cheap. And they need late season prime time games for the new contract. I suspect they will take advantage of these new additions by giving them quite a few of these prime time games.

 

[Dean Pope]

Warren left with unfinished business so we don’t exactly know what our contract is except for the TV stations carrying 4 stations of games…

New AD was handed a pile of $&it in his hands straightening this mess up..

Until now, I haven't heard anything that explains why the Big 10 should have added UW and Oregon. I know about the mess Warren left behind. And I have heard that the networks are calling the shots. So are you saying that the networks pushed the Big 10 into adding those two extra teams?

 

[king_kong_]

The B1G ruined college football because it could never win the big one

Hope you’re happy, B1G fans. This is the future you all have been begging for.

 

[SonOfTrumplestiltskin]

Curious what ACC fans think of this. I love it...because we don't need 4 schools in our conference from the worst state in the country....and frankly I don't think Cal really GAF about football anymore and Stanford is probably going to be a bottom feeder going forward.

...deer baby Jesus...please let this merger happen.

Cal and Stanford disappearing would be good for everyone.

 

[king_kong_]

Until now, I haven't heard anything that explains why the Big 10 should have added UW and Oregon. I know about the mess Warren left behind. And I have heard that the networks are calling the shots. So are you saying that the networks pushed the Big 10 into adding those two extra teams?

I believe this to be true

B1G didn’t want a huge black eye after all the ass kissing over the tv contract that was never finalized so they scrambled out of desperation to save face (still not finalized)

The fans all lose because of it

 

[rcnut223]

This shit just needs to stop. Even if the B1G beats the ACC to it and we get to 20 schools, what is to say in a year or two that two or three B1G schools won't decide to defect to an SEC that wants to get to 45 schools. The volatility of teams going everywhere right now means that nothing is stable and flux is now the new order. And we are rapidly reaching a point therefore where conferences are going to become so big that they are actually meaningless except for TV deals. Heck, we are probably already at that stage. College football conferences are now nothing more than utterly artificial constructs that are the product of TV marketing gurus and corporate lawyers.

And soon there will be profit sharing for the players mandated by the courts. NIL will look like chump change in comparison. And when that happens college football will just be a semi-pro league tied to TV contracts and athlete millionaires. We should stop referring to leagues by their old timey cute names like Big Ten or Big Twelve. We should just rename them the "Fox/NBC conference" or the "ABC/ESPN conference".

And if that is what happens then so be it. Nothing ever stays the same. But it does not mean that I have to like it. And the main reason I do not like it is that I think this whole new world of college football does not favor the Nebraska's of the sport. It will favor big market teams. We were once a big market team in terms of our overall national following and our "brand", despite our rural lack of population. But we are no longer that brand. And the only way we will survive in this new order is to recover that brand and to do it sooner rather than later.

If Rhule fails I think we are in deep Kim Chi. Only a huge hire like an Urban Meyer would save us at that point. But I do not think Rhule will fail. I think Trev was a genius in landing him.

In Rhule I trust.

Aren’t we headed toward 2 giant conferences anyways? What are bowl games going to look like? You could play a team in what, your own conference or the SEC? How is this good long term for college football ? Could we ever win a National title again? Sucks

 

[scarletred]

Until now, I haven't heard anything that explains why the Big 10 should have added UW and Oregon. I know about the mess Warren left behind. And I have heard that the networks are calling the shots. So are you saying that the networks pushed the Big 10 into adding those two extra teams?

No.. B1G seen that the PAC 12 was imploding and Washington and Oregon already had interest joining the B1G so they snatched them up…

I’m saying they weren’t looking at what the payout was knowing they were adding quality teams for the future..

 

[Huskers123456]

This is our only hope I think for some sanity in all of this. And that is that there might be natural financial limits built into these TV contracts in the form of huge buy out clauses if you choose to bolt to a new conference. I think this is why we see conferences now tied into deals through 2036 and so on. Even the networks do not want to put up with the precariousness of an ever changing landscape.

Nevertheless, that also could all change in a heartbeat. This latest round of defections, all from the Pac12, was caused by the shit TV contract they had. And all it will take for the volatility to spread is for ever-better TV deals for somebody else's conference to make yours seem like chump change. Or ... for some Network like ABC/ESPN to decide that it only wants to cover big name teams playing other big name teams in a kind of super conference made up of only 40 or so teams and for which it will pay huge bucks. They may just say "we ain't going to televise Rutgers or Northwestern or Indiana or Iowa State or Kansas football anymore."

So I agree, there is currently some stability on the horizon. But for how long??

SEC tv deal starts in 2024 and runs for ten years. SonI doubt the SEC adds more teams in the middle or a contract which would dilute everyone else's shares.

ACC GOR runs out in 2036 IIRC. Unless someone like FSU gets crazy and leaves I don't think there would be much happening east of the Mississippi for the next 5 to 8 years.

 

[Huskers123456]

Until now, I haven't heard anything that explains why the Big 10 should have added UW and Oregon. I know about the mess Warren left behind. And I have heard that the networks are calling the shots. So are you saying that the networks pushed the Big 10 into adding those two extra teams?

I think the Big 10 was thinking long-term and just added them since they agreed to the reduced payout. I don't think they wanted to add them right now and they wanted to add them in the next TV contract. But they didn't want to lose them to the Big 12 and not have another chance. Short-term sacrifice for the benefit of the next contract, which IMO was purposely kept short for future expansion. Big 12 forced their hand.

I think Fox likely told them what the value of adding UO/UW was for future contracts and the Big 10 thought they were valuable enough to take now.

 

[bigboxes]

This shit just needs to stop. Even if the B1G beats the ACC to it and we get to 20 schools, what is to say in a year or two that two or three B1G schools won't decide to defect to an SEC that wants to get to 45 schools. The volatility of teams going everywhere right now means that nothing is stable and flux is now the new order. And we are rapidly reaching a point therefore where conferences are going to become so big that they are actually meaningless except for TV deals. Heck, we are probably already at that stage. College football conferences are now nothing more than utterly artificial constructs that are the product of TV marketing gurus and corporate lawyers.

And soon there will be profit sharing for the players mandated by the courts. NIL will look like chump change in comparison. And when that happens college football will just be a semi-pro league tied to TV contracts and athlete millionaires. We should stop referring to leagues by their old timey cute names like Big Ten or Big Twelve. We should just rename them the "Fox/NBC conference" or the "ABC/ESPN conference".

And if that is what happens then so be it. Nothing ever stays the same. But it does not mean that I have to like it. And the main reason I do not like it is that I think this whole new world of college football does not favor the Nebraska's of the sport. It will favor big market teams. We were once a big market team in terms of our overall national following and our "brand", despite our rural lack of population. But we are no longer that brand. And the only way we will survive in this new order is to recover that brand and to do it sooner rather than later.

If Rhule fails I think we are in deep Kim Chi. Only a huge hire like an Urban Meyer would save us at that point. But I do not think Rhule will fail. I think Trev was a genius in landing him.

In Rhule I trust.

 

[Cedric]

This shit just needs to stop. Even if the B1G beats the ACC to it and we get to 20 schools, what is to say in a year or two that two or three B1G schools won't decide to defect to an SEC that wants to get to 45 schools. The volatility of teams going everywhere right now means that nothing is stable and flux is now the new order. And we are rapidly reaching a point therefore where conferences are going to become so big that they are actually meaningless except for TV deals. Heck, we are probably already at that stage. College football conferences are now nothing more than utterly artificial constructs that are the product of TV marketing gurus and corporate lawyers.

And soon there will be profit sharing for the players mandated by the courts. NIL will look like chump change in comparison. And when that happens college football will just be a semi-pro league tied to TV contracts and athlete millionaires. We should stop referring to leagues by their old timey cute names like Big Ten or Big Twelve. We should just rename them the "Fox/NBC conference" or the "ABC/ESPN conference".

And if that is what happens then so be it. Nothing ever stays the same. But it does not mean that I have to like it. And the main reason I do not like it is that I think this whole new world of college football does not favor the Nebraska's of the sport. It will favor big market teams. We were once a big market team in terms of our overall national following and our "brand", despite our rural lack of population. But we are no longer that brand. And the only way we will survive in this new order is to recover that brand and to do it sooner rather than later.

If Rhule fails I think we are in deep Kim Chi. Only a huge hire like an Urban Meyer would save us at that point. But I do not think Rhule will fail. I think Trev was a genius in landing him.

In Rhule I trust.

I don't know if it's because we are the same age (and, therefore, in the same "I hate change" and "get off my lawn" stages), but I agree 100%

 

[king_kong_]

only the Saudis can save college football at this point

 

[Charlie Marlow]

I think the Big 10 was thinking long-term and just added them since they agreed to the reduced payout. I don't think they wanted to add them right now and they wanted to add them in the next TV contract. But they didn't want to lose them to the Big 12 and not have another chance. Short-term sacrifice for the benefit of the next contract, which IMO was purposely kept short for future expansion. Big 12 forced their hand.

I think Fox likely told them what the value of adding UO/UW was for future contracts and the Big 10 thought they were valuable enough to take now.

Pretty much what I was thinking. $ is important, but INVENTORY is important for future $. We needs to lock them up before the Big 12 did.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

Classic

 

[king_kong_]

Pretty much what I was thinking. $ is important, but INVENTORY is important for future $. We needs to lock them up before the Big 12 did.

but we've been told time and again any big 12 team would leap at the chance to join the prestigious, college football ruining B1G.

are you saying the league indeed views the big 12 as competition?

 

[Dean Pope]

I think the Big 10 was thinking long-term and just added them since they agreed to the reduced payout. I don't think they wanted to add them right now and they wanted to add them in the next TV contract. But they didn't want to lose them to the Big 12 and not have another chance. Short-term sacrifice for the benefit of the next contract, which IMO was purposely kept short for future expansion. Big 12 forced their hand.

I think Fox likely told them what the value of adding UO/UW was for future contracts and the Big 10 thought they were valuable enough to take now.

I've heard on a national podcast or two that Fox was very influential in the Big 10's decision. I like your explanation, but I still don't agree with the decision itself. Thinking long term? I don't think anything is long term related to college football at this point. That's just my thinking. I would have kept those two out of the conference. And that's just thinking about it from a football perspective. Can you imagine flying coach with the Rutgers baseball team after playing at Washington on a Sunday afternoon? Hoping to get back in time to make that 8 am class. Better not miss a flight.

 

[king_kong_]

I've heard on a national podcast or two that Fox was very influential in the Big 10's decision. I like your explanation, but I still don't agree with the decision itself. Thinking long term? I don't think anything is long term related to college football at this point. That's just my thinking. I would have kept those two out of the conference. And that's just thinking about it from a football perspective. Can you imagine flying coach with the Rutgers baseball team after playing at Washington on a Sunday afternoon? Hoping to get back in time to make that 8 am class. Better not miss a flight.

of course FOX was influential

they own the programming rights to B1G football

they are at the table during every single negotiation

honestly surprised they let warren or the new guy in the room

 

[Charlie Marlow]

but we've been told time and again any big 12 team would leap at the chance to join the prestigious, college football ruining B1G.

are you saying the league indeed views the big 12 as competition?

They better. The PAC had a chance to finish off the Big 12 and did nothing. And so now it’s the Big 12 finishing off the PAC instead. Can’t stand still while everyone else is moving forward or you find yourself left behind.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

I don't know if it's because we are the same age (and, therefore, in the same "I hate change" and "get off my lawn" stages), but I agree 100%

Actually, I am definitely not a "get off my lawn" kind of old fart. I think most of the changes in modern college football are for the good. I think, for example, that it was way beyond time to start allowing players to benefit financially from their skills on the field. And I love that every game is now on TV. Especially since I live 1300 miles from Lincoln. I also like the updgraded concern for player safety and so I wholeheartedly embrace new penalties like targeting with the offending player ejected from the game. And I like all of the techno bells and whistles and video screens that have been added to the stadium atmosphere...

But I do not like some of the rule changes like the new rule where the clock will keep running after first downs. And I do not like these mega conferences with teams on each coast and a bunch in the middle. Once again, I think that is too hard on the players and is sacrificing player well being for the sake of TV contract money. And I just do not see how a conference with 20 teams can crown a true conference champion in any given year since even the top two teams selected for the league championship game will not have played half of the teams in the league. Makes no sense to me.

 

[SantaBarbaraSker]

Would love to have Stamford in the B10, but would equally hate having Cal Join.




.

 

[salsa red]

Didn't usc and ucla approach the big 10 to join? they were losing money weren't they?

 

[rrdd2021]

The B1G grabbed the 4 best money maker teams in that conference …

So not not even close..

The Big Ten and SEC will not just add teams that don't provide realistic value to those conferences.

They discussed exactly this situation on Stadium - Inside Football - with Michael Felder and Josh Perry this morning - and they had a graph that showed the Big Ten will be paying out $80-100 million per team in 2024-2025 while the SEC is right there at $70 million per team. No other conference was remotely close. I believe the ACC was next at $37 million - if they'll even be around in 2 to 3 years - and there's the underlying problem. TV money and huge markets

 

[Huskers123456]

They better. The PAC had a chance to finish off the Big 12 and did nothing. And so now it’s the Big 12 finishing off the PAC instead. Can’t stand still while everyone else is moving forward or you find yourself left behind.

Texas and OU paid a combined $100 in exit fees. It was supposed to be $168 million. So my guess is the Big 12 was taking schools with open arms but the exit fee would be very painful. Since the Big 10 wanted them anyway, it just made sense to do it now and not deal with the exit fees.

 

[Huskers123456]

Didn't usc and ucla approach the big 10 to join? they were losing money weren't they?

UCLA started it all since they are broke. I believe they proposed bringing Oregon but the Big 10 said get USC and we'll talk.

 

[GBR_Atlanta]

B1G and PAC should’ve just merged completely and had the CCG be the Rose Bowl.

 

[Dean Pope]

They better. The PAC had a chance to finish off the Big 12 and did nothing. And so now it’s the Big 12 finishing off the PAC instead. Can’t stand still while everyone else is moving forward or you find yourself left behind.

Not all movement is going forward.

The SEC doesn't seem to be too active. Maybe the SEC is thinking more than one move ahead.