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A "brick by brick manifesto

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(Originally posted on the Red Sea Scrolls - posted here by request)

I've alluded to it before on here but one of the things I had the opportunity to do as a young(er) professional coming out of the military was to be the site operations manager for the mergers/acquisitions efforts of the company that I was working for. I handled five such acquisitions over a 7 year period that had me living in 5 different states. It was quite a fascinating experience and one I'll never regret taking on.

In a nutshell, my responsibility was to be the guy who met up with the seller (or their legal reps) and take possession of a ring of keys, an inventory list for all tangible possessions and a roster of all current employees. This exchange usually took place literally hours to minutes before the actual ownership transferred to our company and at that time I'd let myself into the business, introduce myself to whomever was in-charge and literally take over the day-to-day operation of that newly acquired entity.

Here are some things that I learned from that experience:

1) Every entity, even those in the same business/profession, is uniquely (and even vastly) different.

From top to bottom, side to side. Just plain different. In some cases, we were indoctrinating the acquired employees to the core values, operating procedures and expectations of our company within days to weeks. Conversely, there were two cases where any attempt to begin the indoctrination process within the first year was met with utter failure.

Teaching, development and progression only occurred to the level the existing employee culture was ready willing to accept it. I.e., it does little good to hold a meeting on sales techniques if a large percentage of employees don't even show up to work on-time. Me and my team didn't get stupider in these cases.
What it helped me to learn, is;

2) Leaders shape culture but the culture dictates outcomes.

Coming out of my service as an officer in the military, this was a tough "pill" for me to swallow. My "culture" was I say jump, you ask how high? I always thought soldiers asked "how high" because of who I was. They didn't. They asked it because of what I was. An officer...and that is how the military culture that had been ingrained in them conditioned them to respond.

So attempts to indoctrinate new employees following an acquisition were only as successful as the existing culture allowed them to be. I learned the hard way that meeting our acquisition transitional goals that I was responsible to our CEO and BOD for were only as good as the employment culture that I found myself in. While I thought we should be introducing and implementing our new company processes, in numerous occasions we'd get side-tracked just getting ourselves appropriately staffed with qualified, engaged employees.

In the wise words of Mike Tyson, "everyone's got a plan till they get punched in the mouth" and I spent quite a bit of time on numerous occasions explaining and convincing our company leadership of this. Transition and the culture you find yourself in really forces you to decide from the following;

3) There are two primary courses of action you can choose from to change a culture.

a. Blow it up and start over. Lay down the law day one and immediately address those who don't, can't or won't comply.
b. Overwhelm and overcome the culture over time while giving everyone the opportunity to eventually adopt and accept your approach and expectations.

In many cases, option "A" may not even be a viable alternative. You may not have immediate access to a replacement workforce or the resources to see you through a "scorched earth" approach. So if it isn't an alternative, you are left "rebuilding it brick by brick". I've been there and done that. It sucks. It's something I had little patience for on a day-to-day basis. However, there are situations where there jsut isn't another viable alternative.

Nebraska Cornhusker Football

What is the culture that exists within that organization? What I can tell you is this; Mike Riley isn't the problem. He may not be able to overcome or change the culture into something that is positioned to achieve and even if he does, he may not be a good enough football coach to capitalize on it. These will only be determined over time. But right here, right now, he's not the problem.

There is a culture that has been in place for quite awhile (years and years) where Husker coaches and players wilt under pressure. Where attitude and effort run hot and cold. Where "smart", focused play is displayed inconsistently. Where a complete and competitive roster doesn't exist more often than not. Where a sense of entitlement and a lack of accountability permeate.

At this point, it doesn't seem that Mike Riley has control of the culture. The disappointing lack effort and passion from the players come game day seems to bear this out. The "culture" of Nebraska football is in no way ready to consistently achieve on the field of play. Do you fire Mike Riley for not having solved in 10 months what it took over 10 years to create?

Don't get sucked into comparing Nebraska's situation to that of other schools. Every transition is different. If Lincoln were a suburb of Los Angeles and you could blow-up the roster and immediately start over through recruiting, then maybe a different approach would be called for. I personally don't think a "my way or the highway" approach is the prudent one to attempt at NU for many reasons (and this coming from a guy who has little patience).

Don't get sucked into thinking we had it better prior to this season. Don't allow those around you to already start "waxing poetic" about the Pelini or Callahan regimes. NU has been a dumpster fire for over a decade and you can't allow a HC preaching "us against the fans, fans can kiss my ass, down with the administration" to be off-set by some hollow "9 wins" claim.

The culture Mike Riley walked in to is one where all players weren't treated equally. Where personal accountability was different depending on who you're talking about. Where an open-minded approach to accepting the coaching and teaching of a new HC was never going to immediately occur. We're seeing the NU "culture" manifest itself right now under a microscope. It's pretty ugly.

In sports, they always talk about how you don't want to be "the guy who follows THE guy". This is usually meant as a compliment to the prior HC/regime. In this case, you really didn't want to be the guy who followed Pelini. Every shred of evidence that has come to light demonstrates that he made every attempt to poison the well and watching so many players seem disinterested and half-ass their way through games sure seems like he was successful.

It hurts to watch it all unfold. I hurt for these kids who have been failed by the adults, role models, father figures and football coaches that the University hired and entrusted their care to. It was clearly toxic. Caustic. Unhealthy. And it certainly wasn't worth keeping for some supposed "9 win" standard that the prior regime seemed to hang their hats on.

And in all of this, the really bad news is that it isn't just smeared crap that you can wash off one time and be done with it. It's more like ingested garlic that will continue to linger and ooze out the pores of the program until it's able to be fully processed and passed.

Instead of talk about firing Mike Riley, there really should be more of an effort to apologize to him. He taking the heat for "checks" that he didn't write. Yet here he is with the task of rebuilding it "brick by brick". Good luck, coach. I'm still cheering for you and this team (especially the ones who still want to be here).

GBR!
 
I agree. Outstanding perspective...but, he's not doing this for free either and our society dictates that eventually you need to get what you pay for (or else start paying much less for whatever you are getting).

GBR
 
As well written summary as I have ever read. I agree with everything that was written with the exception of Mike Riley. Mike Riley has never been more than an average coach and he has been a below average coach since arriving to Lincoln. At age 62, I question if he has the ability and drive to be successful. He was an odd hire. So if we are going to have to go through this long and lengthy process should we not at least give the Nebraska football team a leader that is capable of the challenge?
 
very nice.....Bravo Zulu!

I posted something a few weeks ago about changing the culture and leadership....and it starts in June 2016. That is a start and with HCMR, he might not be able to fully coach to our expectations, but at least he can bring us together from his mild manner personality. Whether it works out for him, none of really know....but until the leadership at the university is fully committed to changing the culture, they MUST look at themselves in the mirror and ask "Am I part of the solution or am I part of the problem."

I'll say it will start this June and the BOR and University needs to be fully committed in finding someone who is right for the culture......

I'm not an insider to the inter workings of the University, but it really seems like there is a lot of differences between leaders and it's causing some of the issues we are seeing now.

I'm extremely upset about this year and in fact, I'm a season ticket holder and I have given my tickets to my kids....I refuse to go to the games right now because I'm too heartbroken.....I still support all of our teams, make donations, buy the gear, but it's like watching an old dog die a slow death......
 
As well written summary as I have ever read. I agree with everything that was written with the exception of Mike Riley. Mike Riley has never been more than an average coach and he has been a below average coach since arriving to Lincoln. At age 62, I question if he has the ability and drive to be successful. He was an odd hire. So if we are going to have to go through this long and lengthy process should we not at least give the Nebraska football team a leader that is capable of the challenge?
I don't think the OP is disagreeing with that. In fact he even stated "Mike Riley isn't the problem. He may not be able to overcome or change the culture into something that is positioned to achieve and even if he does, he may not be a good enough football coach to capitalize on it."
 
well written and thought provoking to be sure thanks - However a couple of thoughts

1. Was Bo Pelini responsible soley for this culture problem - You say ten years. In fact if leadership comes from the top maybe everyone is looking way too low on the rung to find the real problem. The AD and Chancellor have also been involved in creating this culture issue.

2. College football is a bit different than business - players are not paid and continuously use up their eligibility - so even if the scorched earth method is not best there will be new fresh kids every year. If the concern is that they will be poisoned by existing players then I think if we believe it will take years to fix this culture anyway why not just pull off the band-aide give an ultimatum and not allow any of the issues to continue

3. Mike Riley with his record should have known he is not taking over NU without the warts. If everything was humming along and it was 1999 Riley would not have been hired in the first place. He is getting paid very well with really no risk to his overall career as this is his last stop anyway. Yes the culture is bad but losing games because of stupid coaching decisions does not help in fixing it.

Historically when programs improve dramatically upon a coaching change it is evident right away even if the record may not reflect it. My question is what changes are we actually seeing that can give us hope for better days ahead at some point? That I think is what is lacking right now
 
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well written and thought provoking to be sure thanks - However a couple of thoughts

1. Was Bo Pelini responsible soley for this culture problem - You say ten years. In fact if leadership comes from the top maybe everyone is looking way too low on the rung to find the real problem. The AD and Chancellor have also been involved in creating this culture issue.

2. College football is a bit different than business - players are not paid and continuously use up their eligibility - so even if the scorched earth method is not best there will be new fresh kids every year. If the concern is that they will be poisoned by existing players then I think if we believe it will take years to fix this culture anyway why not just pull off the band-aide give an ultimatum and not allow any of the issues to continue

3. Mike Riley with his record should have known he is not taking over NU without the warts. If everything was humming along and it was 1999 Riley would not have been hired in the first place. He is getting paid very well with really no risk to his overall career as this is his last stop anyway. Yes the culture is bad but losing games because of stupid coaching decisions does not help in fixing it.

Historically when programs improve dramatically upon a coaching change it is evident right away even if the record may not reflect it. My question is what changes are we actually seeing that can give us hope for better days ahead at some point? That I think is what is lacking right now

Only the most hardline Pelini supporter would actually argue your first point.
 
well written and thought provoking to be sure thanks - However a couple of thoughts

1. Was Bo Pelini responsible soley for this culture problem - You say ten years. In fact if leadership comes from the top maybe everyone is looking way too low on the rung to find the real problem. The AD and Chancellor have also been involved in creating this culture issue.

I can see AD Peterson creating the first waves of a culture issue. AD Osborne's contribution was hiring Pelini. You can complain about SE or HP all you want, but the only impact they've had on the player's culture was contributing to the lunacy of their head coach and delaying the transition. In other words, SE or HP would have no negative impact to the player's culture if Pelini would have been a normal human being.

2. College football is a bit different than business - players are not paid and continuously use up their eligibility - so even if the scorched earth method is not best there will be new fresh kids every year. If the concern is that they will be poisoned by existing players then I think if we believe it will take years to fix this culture anyway why not just pull off the band-aide give an ultimatum and not allow any of the issues to continue

As the OP pointed out, it's harder when not in the middle of a recruiting hotbed. Your suggestion may prove to be the best in hindsight, but no way that should have been plan A going in.

3. Mike Riley with his record should have known he is not taking over NU without the warts. If everything was humming along and it was 1999 Riley would not have been hired in the first place.

The implication is here is that MR is schmuck, knows he's a schmuck, and he should know there's problems if the almighty Nebraska stoops down to offer him. I don't agree with that. He's been sought by some pretty big entities: Alabama, USC, SD Chargers, CFL. He was underrated because he seemed set on staying at OSU. And both Nebraska and MR share the fact that their stars are dimmer than they once were, MR due to age and staying too long at OSU and Nebraska due to not winning anything for a generation.

Historically when programs improve dramatically upon a coaching change it is evident right away even if the record may not reflect it.

That was addressed in the OP. All situations are different, so you can't really compare.
 
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As well written summary as I have ever read. I agree with everything that was written with the exception of Mike Riley. Mike Riley has never been more than an average coach and he has been a below average coach since arriving to Lincoln. At age 62, I question if he has the ability and drive to be successful. He was an odd hire. So if we are going to have to go through this long and lengthy process should we not at least give the Nebraska football team a leader that is capable of the challenge?
In all honesty I think Mike Riley is the PERFECT candidate for the job. He is not going to be coaching more than say 5-7 years. He can come in, clean up and fix the culture. Establish stronger recruiting and then pass over to the new guy, say Frost.

Changing a broken culture is probably asking too much of an inexperienced guy, so we'd be setting him up for failure.
 
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(Originally posted on the Red Sea Scrolls - posted here by request)

I've alluded to it before on here but one of the things I had the opportunity to do as a young(er) professional coming out of the military was to be the site operations manager for the mergers/acquisitions efforts of the company that I was working for. I handled five such acquisitions over a 7 year period that had me living in 5 different states. It was quite a fascinating experience and one I'll never regret taking on.

In a nutshell, my responsibility was to be the guy who met up with the seller (or their legal reps) and take possession of a ring of keys, an inventory list for all tangible possessions and a roster of all current employees. This exchange usually took place literally hours to minutes before the actual ownership transferred to our company and at that time I'd let myself into the business, introduce myself to whomever was in-charge and literally take over the day-to-day operation of that newly acquired entity.

Here are some things that I learned from that experience:

1) Every entity, even those in the same business/profession, is uniquely (and even vastly) different.

From top to bottom, side to side. Just plain different. In some cases, we were indoctrinating the acquired employees to the core values, operating procedures and expectations of our company within days to weeks. Conversely, there were two cases where any attempt to begin the indoctrination process within the first year was met with utter failure.

Teaching, development and progression only occurred to the level the existing employee culture was ready willing to accept it. I.e., it does little good to hold a meeting on sales techniques if a large percentage of employees don't even show up to work on-time. Me and my team didn't get stupider in these cases.
What it helped me to learn, is;

2) Leaders shape culture but the culture dictates outcomes.

Coming out of my service as an officer in the military, this was a tough "pill" for me to swallow. My "culture" was I say jump, you ask how high? I always thought soldiers asked "how high" because of who I was. They didn't. They asked it because of what I was. An officer...and that is how the military culture that had been ingrained in them conditioned them to respond.

So attempts to indoctrinate new employees following an acquisition were only as successful as the existing culture allowed them to be. I learned the hard way that meeting our acquisition transitional goals that I was responsible to our CEO and BOD for were only as good as the employment culture that I found myself in. While I thought we should be introducing and implementing our new company processes, in numerous occasions we'd get side-tracked just getting ourselves appropriately staffed with qualified, engaged employees.

In the wise words of Mike Tyson, "everyone's got a plan till they get punched in the mouth" and I spent quite a bit of time on numerous occasions explaining and convincing our company leadership of this. Transition and the culture you find yourself in really forces you to decide from the following;

3) There are two primary courses of action you can choose from to change a culture.

a. Blow it up and start over. Lay down the law day one and immediately address those who don't, can't or won't comply.
b. Overwhelm and overcome the culture over time while giving everyone the opportunity to eventually adopt and accept your approach and expectations.

In many cases, option "A" may not even be a viable alternative. You may not have immediate access to a replacement workforce or the resources to see you through a "scorched earth" approach. So if it isn't an alternative, you are left "rebuilding it brick by brick". I've been there and done that. It sucks. It's something I had little patience for on a day-to-day basis. However, there are situations where there jsut isn't another viable alternative.

Nebraska Cornhusker Football

What is the culture that exists within that organization? What I can tell you is this; Mike Riley isn't the problem. He may not be able to overcome or change the culture into something that is positioned to achieve and even if he does, he may not be a good enough football coach to capitalize on it. These will only be determined over time. But right here, right now, he's not the problem.

There is a culture that has been in place for quite awhile (years and years) where Husker coaches and players wilt under pressure. Where attitude and effort run hot and cold. Where "smart", focused play is displayed inconsistently. Where a complete and competitive roster doesn't exist more often than not. Where a sense of entitlement and a lack of accountability permeate.

At this point, it doesn't seem that Mike Riley has control of the culture. The disappointing lack effort and passion from the players come game day seems to bear this out. The "culture" of Nebraska football is in no way ready to consistently achieve on the field of play. Do you fire Mike Riley for not having solved in 10 months what it took over 10 years to create?

Don't get sucked into comparing Nebraska's situation to that of other schools. Every transition is different. If Lincoln were a suburb of Los Angeles and you could blow-up the roster and immediately start over through recruiting, then maybe a different approach would be called for. I personally don't think a "my way or the highway" approach is the prudent one to attempt at NU for many reasons (and this coming from a guy who has little patience).

Don't get sucked into thinking we had it better prior to this season. Don't allow those around you to already start "waxing poetic" about the Pelini or Callahan regimes. NU has been a dumpster fire for over a decade and you can't allow a HC preaching "us against the fans, fans can kiss my ass, down with the administration" to be off-set by some hollow "9 wins" claim.

The culture Mike Riley walked in to is one where all players weren't treated equally. Where personal accountability was different depending on who you're talking about. Where an open-minded approach to accepting the coaching and teaching of a new HC was never going to immediately occur. We're seeing the NU "culture" manifest itself right now under a microscope. It's pretty ugly.

In sports, they always talk about how you don't want to be "the guy who follows THE guy". This is usually meant as a compliment to the prior HC/regime. In this case, you really didn't want to be the guy who followed Pelini. Every shred of evidence that has come to light demonstrates that he made every attempt to poison the well and watching so many players seem disinterested and half-ass their way through games sure seems like he was successful.

It hurts to watch it all unfold. I hurt for these kids who have been failed by the adults, role models, father figures and football coaches that the University hired and entrusted their care to. It was clearly toxic. Caustic. Unhealthy. And it certainly wasn't worth keeping for some supposed "9 win" standard that the prior regime seemed to hang their hats on.

And in all of this, the really bad news is that it isn't just smeared crap that you can wash off one time and be done with it. It's more like ingested garlic that will continue to linger and ooze out the pores of the program until it's able to be fully processed and passed.

Instead of talk about firing Mike Riley, there really should be more of an effort to apologize to him. He taking the heat for "checks" that he didn't write. Yet here he is with the task of rebuilding it "brick by brick". Good luck, coach. I'm still cheering for you and this team (especially the ones who still want to be here).

GBR!

Nailed it. Its going to take a couple of recruiting classes to flip the culture.
 
In all honesty I think Mike Riley is the PERFECT candidate for the job. He is not going to be coaching more than say 5-7 years. He can come in, clean up and fix the culture. Establish stronger recruiting and then pass over to the new guy, say Frost.

Changing a broken culture is probably asking too much of an inexperienced guy, so we'd be setting him up for failure.

If Riley did those things and left after five I'd be perfectly happy with his tenure.
 
I cannot believe we have revised our narrative so significantly that now we are arguing that we should be "apologizing" to Riley. The groupthink occurring on these boards is amazing. Simply amazing.

And, yes, the OP has a nice writeup that is well thought out. I just don't agree with the analogy or the conclusion.
 
1. Was Bo Pelini responsible soley for this culture problem
No. As it relates to the current culture of the program I think that many people and factors have obviously contributed over time. However, I for one think that Bo Pelini owns the vast majority of any current disconnect, distrust or outright disregard that players on this team may have with the new staff. I'm not going to spend time trying to sell this to anyone as it's simply an opinion but I'd encourage people who question it to rewind and remind themselves of some of the "us vs them" comments, actions, audio tapes and post-firing player meeting that Bo was responsible for prior to finalizing your opinion on this.

2. College football is a bit different than business
Yes it is and even with that I think that Riley & Co are noble for not forcing the issue with these young men based on what they've been through. Unfortunately, "noble" doesn't help win games and this approach may very well doom the current staff and admin if the patience isn't displayed to give them the time necessary to enact this type of cultural transformation.

3. Mike Riley with his record should have known he is not taking over NU without the warts
I'm sure he did - to an extent. I'll assume he heard the audio from the Pelini player meeting post firing. However, I doubt he expected the ongoing contact, tweets from prior coaches (who would anticipate having to deal with that?) and the level of distrust and animosity that had been cultivated between the players and the university administration. This whole deal over the last few years has been a sh!t sandwich that wasn't prepared by Riley but he's the one here now having to take the biggest bites. Someone from the inside really show write a book about all this - it would be a fascinating read.

My question is what changes are we actually seeing that can give us hope for better days ahead at some point? That I think is what is lacking right now
Good question (and I agree with your second sentence). I think that some forced (but well-managed) attrition, good recruiting and signs of a repaired relationship between the players and the AD's office are what we should be looking for. In my opinion, just too many players aren't focused, engaged and displaying enough passion for the game of football to expect to see much more "hope" on the field of play.

Can the Huskers beat MSU and/or Iowa? I certainly think so. But it will surprise the holy hell out of me if they do it. JMO

Interesting thoughts and questions. Good stuff.
 
No. As it relates to the current culture of the program I think that many people and factors have obviously contributed over time. However, I for one think that Bo Pelini owns the vast majority of any current disconnect, distrust or outright disregard that players on this team may have with the new staff. I'm not going to spend time trying to sell this to anyone as it's simply an opinion but I'd encourage people who question it to rewind and remind themselves of some of the "us vs them" comments, actions, audio tapes and post-firing player meeting that Bo was responsible for prior to finalizing your opinion on this.

I agree with this and Bo was certainly toxic imo - The issue I have and some lessons I have learned in my career is that a toxic employee like Bo only can affect things when the leadership above him is screwed up. I believe the bad blood between TO and Harvey and Harvey's environment in general of CYA has allowed these cancers to live in the program. A united leadership would have never let a Bo Pelini run this wild

Yes it is and even with that I think that Riley & Co are noble for not forcing the issue with these young men based on what they've been through. Unfortunately, "noble" doesn't help win games and this approach may very well doom the current staff and admin if the patience isn't displayed to give them the time necessary to enact this type of cultural transformation.

Agreed Riley has handled himself with the utmost class in dealing with this environment

Good question (and I agree with your second sentence). I think that some forced (but well-managed) attrition, good recruiting and signs of a repaired relationship between the players and the AD's office are what we should be looking for. In my opinion, just too many players aren't focused, engaged and displaying enough passion for the game of football to expect to see much more "hope" on the field of play.

Can the Huskers beat MSU and/or Iowa? I certainly think so. But it will surprise the holy hell out of me if they do it. JMO

I believe Riley needs to make some changes and quickly before we see the whole thing go up in flames - Players are already jumping ship - maybe he needs to be proactive with this to make sure it is the right ones leaving. I also believe there is no room if this is going to be fixed for dead weight - and that means having a special teams coach who doesnt recruit and has poor special teams - examples need to be made old allegiances broken and the entire program needs to be put on alert there is a new sherriff in town
 
I cannot believe we have revised our narrative so significantly that now we are arguing that we should be "apologizing" to Riley. The groupthink occurring on these boards is amazing. Simply amazing.

And, yes, the OP has a nice writeup that is well thought out. I just don't agree with the analogy or the conclusion.
Not arguing that we should apologize to Riley. That was more of a "throw away" comment and not a conclusion. My thoughts on this is that we've got a HC in who took over for a coach who held a player meeting post-firing and called the AD a "c**t" and "f***ing policy maker" and that he doesn't care about you or have your back. Our same new HC also has other prior coaches tweeting and staying in contact with the players (and in at least one instance, for reportedly negative reasons) and to top it all off, we've got a pretty relentless fan contingent that after one, but more generally after games 3, 5 and 6 already calling for his head.

How many incoming coaches have come into and had to deal with a situation like Mike Riley has so far in Lincoln? Pretty unbelievable stuff. Hence the "throw away" comment about the apology.

As to revising any "narrative", you'll have to be more specific because apologizing to Riley was not the purpose of my post so if that's what you took from it then I didn't communicate effectively enough.
 
More wag the dog nonsense. Make people think something else so they forget to focus on being 3-6.

I talked to a player's dad yesterday, that talks to his son everyday. I asked him point blank if his son ever mentioned any attitudes in the locker room and he said "no".

Anyone that wants to be distracted, go ahead and buy into this crap. The problem is that Riley is a pretty decent offensive coach that has loyalties to an awful defensive coach. Riley might be an okay offensive coordinator, but is in over his head as a head coach. These are the facts. If you guys want to suffer for 3-4 years then keep trying to make excuses for this guy. All the time in the world is not going to fix the shortcomings that you are seeing on the field this year. The only way this gets fixed is if this staff starts coaching better.

Furthermore, if you want to buy into this, lets get right down to it. It is on the staff to set the culture. The military has one way of setting the culture. The military is a much closer comparison to college football than a job where you take over grown men and women. The military is my way or the highway. Works for most coaches. Coach Mac said to the Florida players in the initial meeting-you will do it our way, or we will find someone else that will. When Urban took over at Florida from his first meeting with the players, he kicked the players out of the lounges and locker room. Players had to take their uniforms and work out clothes home and wash them, themselves. They had to EARN the privilege back. The S&C coach pushed them harder than they had ever been pushed. Several players quit and several players transferred the first year. The players that endured went on to have great success at Florida. If your leader doesn't set the culture, it isn't the last guy's fault--it is on the current guys.
 
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Coach Mac said to the florida players in the initial meeting-you will do it our way, or we will find someone else that will. When Urban took over at Florida from his first meeting with the players, he kicked the players out of the lounges and locker room. Players had to take their uniforms and work out clothes home and wash them, themselves. They had to EARN the privilege back. The S&C coach pushed them harder than they had ever been pushed. Several players quit and several players transferred the first year.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but doesn't your comment go back to what Butch already stated?

If Lincoln were a suburb of Los Angeles and you could blow-up the roster and immediately start over through recruiting, then maybe a different approach would be called for. I personally don't think a "my way or the highway" approach is the prudent one to attempt at NU for many reasons (and this coming from a guy who has little patience).
Replace Los Angeles with the state of Florida.
 
More wag the dog nonsense. Make people think something else so they forget to focus on being 3-6.

I talked to a player's dad yesterday, that talks to his son everyday. I asked him point blank if his son ever mentioned any attitudes in the locker room and he said "no".

Anyone that wants to be distracted, go ahead and buy into this crap. The problem is that Riley is a pretty decent offensive coach that has loyalties to an awful defensive coach. Riley might be an okay offensive coordinator, but is in over his head as a head coach. These are the facts. If you guys want to suffer for 3-4 years then keep trying to make excuses for this guy. All the time in the world is not going to fix the shortcomings that you are seeing on the field this year. The only way this gets fixed is if this staff starts coaching better.

Furthermore, if you want to buy into this, lets get right down to it. It is on the staff to set the culture. The military has one way of setting the culture. The military is a much closer comparison to college football than a job where you take over grown men and women The military is my way or the highway. Works for most coaches. Coach Mac said to the florida players in the initial meeting-you will do it our way, or we will find someone else that will. When Urban took over at Florida from his first meeting with the players, he kicked the players out of the lounges and locker room. Players had to take their uniforms and work out clothes home and wash them, themselves. They had to EARN the privilege back. The S&C coach pushed them harder than they had ever been pushed. Several players quit and several players transferred the first year. The players that endured went on to have great success at Florida. If your leader doesn't set the culture, it isn't the last guys fault--it is on the current guys.
Seriously? Wag the dog nonsense?

I'm not gonna say your points are bad because they do have merit. But don't tell me what butch posted wasn't compelling at all. Do you really think butch was trying to divert and deflect away from 3-6? You may not believe this, but some people do believe that the culture isn't as easy to change as you believe... You can give examples like Urb and Mac, but their way isn't the only way to get it done.

Again, Riley could approach it he way you suggest and it could work. But I believe if you aren't genuine it could even be worse. Is Riley genuinely the guy you describe here, the one who is a hardass that says my way or the highway? I don't see it that way. Let him be who he is... Not who he isn't.

And I'm sure that's what you're saying, since he he isn't the guy to do this, he doesn't belong here. But again, is it really that hard to acknowledge that what butch posted could describe some of what's going on here?
 
Was Bo toxic? Yes

Is Riley the right guy to fix it? Dunno....but signs point to no

Financially - unless the big dollars donors force the issue - there is not much the AD can do right now, and firing the guy he hired is essentially saying "thanks for the memories I don't want to work here anymore".
 
More wag the dog nonsense. Make people think something else so they forget to focus on being 3-6.

I talked to a player's dad yesterday, that talks to his son everyday. I asked him point blank if his son ever mentioned any attitudes in the locker room and he said "no".

Anyone that wants to be distracted, go ahead and buy into this crap. The problem is that Riley is a pretty decent offensive coach that has loyalties to an awful defensive coach. Riley might be an okay offensive coordinator, but is in over his head as a head coach. These are the facts. If you guys want to suffer for 3-4 years then keep trying to make excuses for this guy. All the time in the world is not going to fix the shortcomings that you are seeing on the field this year. The only way this gets fixed is if this staff starts coaching better.

Furthermore, if you want to buy into this, lets get right down to it. It is on the staff to set the culture. The military has one way of setting the culture. The military is a much closer comparison to college football than a job where you take over grown men and women The military is my way or the highway. Works for most coaches. Coach Mac said to the florida players in the initial meeting-you will do it our way, or we will find someone else that will. When Urban took over at Florida from his first meeting with the players, he kicked the players out of the lounges and locker room. Players had to take their uniforms and work out clothes home and wash them, themselves. They had to EARN the privilege back. The S&C coach pushed them harder than they had ever been pushed. Several players quit and several players transferred the first year. The players that endured went on to have great success at Florida. If your leader doesn't set the culture, it isn't the last guys fault--it is on the current guys.
Lulz. Look at you with this big ol'reply to "crap, nonsense". What a ridiculous waste of your time. Laughing
 
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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but doesn't your comment go back to what Butch already stated?

Replace Los Angeles with the state of Florida.

So as
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but doesn't your comment go back to what Butch already stated?

Replace Los Angeles with the state of Florida.

Lets say you buy into this latest and greatest excuse....What is the alternative, Husker O? Let players play that don't give full effort? Let them spread like a cancer in the locker room-so more people don't buy into the system? Let that cause you to completely lose the locker room?

Look, this is nothing against Butch...I really like him as a poster. But this really is just the next excuse. I have heard these (not from Butch): First excuse was that it was going to take time with the schemes and then it was all the walk on players in the two deep and lack of quality depth and now we are hearing about locker room issues.

There may be merit to all three, but that does not excuse 3-6. 3-6 is a result of a poorly coached team. Poor alignment, poor technique, poor execution, poor scheme. I am not saying fire them all, I am not even saying fire x or y. I am saying that this team is going to continue to struggle until they are coached better.
 
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But don't tell me what butch posted wasn't compelling at all.

It was an interesting post, but it is apples and oranges comparison.

And I'm sure that's what you're saying, since he he isn't the guy to do this, he doesn't belong here. But again, is it really that hard to acknowledge that what butch posted could describe some of what's going on here?

Could there be locker room issues? Sure...you can't rule out a few bad apples the first year of a coaching change-especially following a coach as toxic as Bo.

However, there is no one that can prove that players are not playing hard. The coaches when asked directly about players effort-deny that it is an effort problem...so what are we talking about here?

Lastly, we heard since Riley was hired about how the players were buying in and that they loved Riley and the new schemes...right? So, if that is the case and we will assume for a minute there is NOW dissension in the locker room. There really are two possibilities. 1 The easy excuse if you are bought into Riley and you don't want to blame him for the cataclysmic failure this season--you put the blame on the last guy, right? or 2. The team did exactly what the coaches told them to do...and they are losing game after game-so they have lost faith in the coaching staff.

Whatever reason you believe depends on your feelings about Mike Riley. I believe in accountability not excuses...but that is just me.
 
(Originally posted on the Red Sea Scrolls - posted here by request)

I've alluded to it before on here but one of the things I had the opportunity to do as a young(er) professional coming out of the military was to be the site operations manager for the mergers/acquisitions efforts of the company that I was working for. I handled five such acquisitions over a 7 year period that had me living in 5 different states. It was quite a fascinating experience and one I'll never regret taking on.

In a nutshell, my responsibility was to be the guy who met up with the seller (or their legal reps) and take possession of a ring of keys, an inventory list for all tangible possessions and a roster of all current employees. This exchange usually took place literally hours to minutes before the actual ownership transferred to our company and at that time I'd let myself into the business, introduce myself to whomever was in-charge and literally take over the day-to-day operation of that newly acquired entity.

Here are some things that I learned from that experience:

1) Every entity, even those in the same business/profession, is uniquely (and even vastly) different.

From top to bottom, side to side. Just plain different. In some cases, we were indoctrinating the acquired employees to the core values, operating procedures and expectations of our company within days to weeks. Conversely, there were two cases where any attempt to begin the indoctrination process within the first year was met with utter failure.

Teaching, development and progression only occurred to the level the existing employee culture was ready willing to accept it. I.e., it does little good to hold a meeting on sales techniques if a large percentage of employees don't even show up to work on-time. Me and my team didn't get stupider in these cases.
What it helped me to learn, is;

2) Leaders shape culture but the culture dictates outcomes.

Coming out of my service as an officer in the military, this was a tough "pill" for me to swallow. My "culture" was I say jump, you ask how high? I always thought soldiers asked "how high" because of who I was. They didn't. They asked it because of what I was. An officer...and that is how the military culture that had been ingrained in them conditioned them to respond.

So attempts to indoctrinate new employees following an acquisition were only as successful as the existing culture allowed them to be. I learned the hard way that meeting our acquisition transitional goals that I was responsible to our CEO and BOD for were only as good as the employment culture that I found myself in. While I thought we should be introducing and implementing our new company processes, in numerous occasions we'd get side-tracked just getting ourselves appropriately staffed with qualified, engaged employees.

In the wise words of Mike Tyson, "everyone's got a plan till they get punched in the mouth" and I spent quite a bit of time on numerous occasions explaining and convincing our company leadership of this. Transition and the culture you find yourself in really forces you to decide from the following;

3) There are two primary courses of action you can choose from to change a culture.

a. Blow it up and start over. Lay down the law day one and immediately address those who don't, can't or won't comply.
b. Overwhelm and overcome the culture over time while giving everyone the opportunity to eventually adopt and accept your approach and expectations.

In many cases, option "A" may not even be a viable alternative. You may not have immediate access to a replacement workforce or the resources to see you through a "scorched earth" approach. So if it isn't an alternative, you are left "rebuilding it brick by brick". I've been there and done that. It sucks. It's something I had little patience for on a day-to-day basis. However, there are situations where there jsut isn't another viable alternative.

Nebraska Cornhusker Football

What is the culture that exists within that organization? What I can tell you is this; Mike Riley isn't the problem. He may not be able to overcome or change the culture into something that is positioned to achieve and even if he does, he may not be a good enough football coach to capitalize on it. These will only be determined over time. But right here, right now, he's not the problem.

There is a culture that has been in place for quite awhile (years and years) where Husker coaches and players wilt under pressure. Where attitude and effort run hot and cold. Where "smart", focused play is displayed inconsistently. Where a complete and competitive roster doesn't exist more often than not. Where a sense of entitlement and a lack of accountability permeate.

At this point, it doesn't seem that Mike Riley has control of the culture. The disappointing lack effort and passion from the players come game day seems to bear this out. The "culture" of Nebraska football is in no way ready to consistently achieve on the field of play. Do you fire Mike Riley for not having solved in 10 months what it took over 10 years to create?

Don't get sucked into comparing Nebraska's situation to that of other schools. Every transition is different. If Lincoln were a suburb of Los Angeles and you could blow-up the roster and immediately start over through recruiting, then maybe a different approach would be called for. I personally don't think a "my way or the highway" approach is the prudent one to attempt at NU for many reasons (and this coming from a guy who has little patience).

Don't get sucked into thinking we had it better prior to this season. Don't allow those around you to already start "waxing poetic" about the Pelini or Callahan regimes. NU has been a dumpster fire for over a decade and you can't allow a HC preaching "us against the fans, fans can kiss my ass, down with the administration" to be off-set by some hollow "9 wins" claim.

The culture Mike Riley walked in to is one where all players weren't treated equally. Where personal accountability was different depending on who you're talking about. Where an open-minded approach to accepting the coaching and teaching of a new HC was never going to immediately occur. We're seeing the NU "culture" manifest itself right now under a microscope. It's pretty ugly.

In sports, they always talk about how you don't want to be "the guy who follows THE guy". This is usually meant as a compliment to the prior HC/regime. In this case, you really didn't want to be the guy who followed Pelini. Every shred of evidence that has come to light demonstrates that he made every attempt to poison the well and watching so many players seem disinterested and half-ass their way through games sure seems like he was successful.

It hurts to watch it all unfold. I hurt for these kids who have been failed by the adults, role models, father figures and football coaches that the University hired and entrusted their care to. It was clearly toxic. Caustic. Unhealthy. And it certainly wasn't worth keeping for some supposed "9 win" standard that the prior regime seemed to hang their hats on.

And in all of this, the really bad news is that it isn't just smeared crap that you can wash off one time and be done with it. It's more like ingested garlic that will continue to linger and ooze out the pores of the program until it's able to be fully processed and passed.

Instead of talk about firing Mike Riley, there really should be more of an effort to apologize to him. He taking the heat for "checks" that he didn't write. Yet here he is with the task of rebuilding it "brick by brick". Good luck, coach. I'm still cheering for you and this team (especially the ones who still want to be here).

GBR!
Post of the year on the Husker board.
 
It was an interesting post, but it is apples and oranges comparison.



Could there be locker room issues? Sure...you can't rule out a few bad apples the first year of a coaching change-especially following a coach as toxic as Bo.

However, there is no one that can prove that players are not playing hard. The coaches when asked directly about players effort-deny that it is an effort problem...so what are we talking about here?

Lastly, we heard since Riley was hired about how the players were buying in and that they loved Riley and the new schemes...right? So, if that is the case and we will assume for a minute there is NOW dissension in the locker room. There really are two possibilities. 1 The easy excuse if you are bought into Riley and you don't want to blame him for the cataclysmic failure this season--you put the blame on the last guy, right? or 2. The team did exactly what the coaches told them to do...and they are losing game after game-so they have lost faith in the coaching staff.

Whatever reason you believe depends on your feelings about Mike Riley. I believe in accountability not excuses...but that is just me.
Here's the problem I have with this... We are dealing with emotional people here. and because we are talking about teens or 20 somethings, we are talking about a WIDE range of emotions... The coaches can say everyone is giving it their all, but what would you expect them to say if it weren't the case? A few weeks back didn't Riley say something like we are practicing on Monday, and those who want to join us can as well... What did he mean by that? I'm pretty sure he was calling some players out without naming them. It's pretty naive to think otherwise...

I do agree that if the team got off to a better start this year these divisive issues maybe don't show up. Blame the coaches if you want, and they do bear a lot of responsibility there, but I also think it is due to some pre-existing feelings as well that may have been latent and are now more evident.

my point is I think it's all of the above. Coaching, plus the "excuses" which you don't want to acknowledge.

Finally, if what we are seeing is a problem with leadership (and you have made it clear that's what you believe it to be), then whenever butch was involved in a mess that resembled the mess we are in, it must have been on butch, not the employees, huh?

Just admit that the players play a role in this mess as well. Coaching is definitely an issue, and I will even say a big one. But it is MUCH MORE than that, in my opinion.
 
my point is I think it's all of the above. Coaching, plus the "excuses" which you don't want to acknowledge

I acknowledge that Bo was a POS. I acknowledge that because Bo was a lazy/ineffective recruiter, Nebraska has depth issues. I agree that there are some growing pains that occur with new schemes.

Where I disagree is that Nebraska should be 3-6 because of these issues. That is not okay and a lot of the issues this team has is related directly to coaching and not all these other things.

Finally, if what we are seeing is a problem with leadership (and you have made it clear that's what you believe it to be), then whenever butch was involved in a mess that resembled the mess we are in, it must have been on butch, not the employees, huh?

I think the locker room issues are mostly overblown and have little-to no factor as to why Nebraska is 3-6 this season. I also think there is a big difference between shaping young men's lives, as there is to dealing with adults. That is why I said it was comparing apples to oranges. I am sure Butch was terrific at his job.
 
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While I like Riley and really hope he succeeds, I'm having a hard time thinking that great coaches would have the same record that we currently have.

The poor in-game coaching has most likely made it more difficult for players to buy into Riley and staff as coaches...
 
I acknowledge that Bo was a POS. I acknowledge that because Bo was a lazy/ineffective recruiter, Nebraska has depth issues. I agree that there are some growing pains that occur with new schemes.

Where I disagree is that Nebraska should be 3-6 because of these issues. That is not okay and a lot of the issues this team has is related directly to coaching and not all these other things.



I think the locker room issues are mostly overblown and have little-to no factor as to why Nebraska is 3-6 this season. I also think there is a big difference between shaping young men's life, as there is to dealing with adults. That is why I said it was comparing apples to oranges. I am sure Butch was terrific at his job.
Fair enough... I appreciate the discussion. While we don't agree completely, I do see where you're coming from, and you do make some very valid points. Either way, GBR!
 
Post of the year Butch. Thanks for posting this over here. Really should make people think.
 
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In all honesty I think Mike Riley is the PERFECT candidate for the job. He is not going to be coaching more than say 5-7 years. He can come in, clean up and fix the culture. Establish stronger recruiting and then pass over to the new guy, say Frost.

Changing a broken culture is probably asking too much of an inexperienced guy, so we'd be setting him up for failure.

How would hiring Riley to strengthen recruiting and create a strong culture in the program help someone like Frost in the future? He would have to come in and recruit players to his system because the two offenses aren't even close to being similar. If we want failure then we need to keep flip flopping to the opposite ends of the spectrum..
 
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OP is experienced in handling transitions. Sounds like we should have hired OP. Kidding to some degree, but because someone has experience in handling difficult situations, please do not project your expertise onto someone else.
 
If the environment really was that toxic, what steps has Riley taken to fix it? The guy has coached in the NFL, you'd think he could handle a college locker room. If it's that bad, bring Jack Stark in or something.
 
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