You are only as good as your seniors?
- Thread starter Solana Beach Husker
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That's a lie.
Your seniors are leaders.
Not people who get personal fouls
Your seniors are leaders.
Not people who get personal fouls
90% of Penn State Offensive yardage came form RS Soph/Soph/Frosh last night.. OSU/PSU/UM routinely are losing their best juniors to the NFL every year.
Probably should substitute "leaders" with "seniors". A leader can come from anyone, regardless of the class year. Tommie Frazier was a leader as a freshman.
Personally, I think there is still a certain culture (mindset ???) hanging over the program from the past 2-3 coaches. That is not easy to reverse. While the roster has had a lot of turnover in personnel, there is still seems to be some lingering issues. Leadership, chemistry, faith, confidence, etc. are the mental things that influence and contribute to the physical attributes. Can be either positive or negative.
Tommie Frazier is no more a leader than Vedral...what Tommie had was a 20 year old system and veterans all around him. We know Tommie isn't any more mature than any other qb...he had dominant, highly intelligent players blocking for him, and he could hand off to all-conference running backs, and he had a ball control offense where he rarely had to throw on 3rd and long. He was strong and had good instincts in traffic but completed 45% of his passes, missed a million open receivers, and was a good conduit of the overall culture of the program. When he left the program however we saw his character throughout his other pursuits. We also live in a culture where the kids are much less loyal to the program and have a much easier time running away when things get tough. This gives them a level of leverage to "do what they want". For example...running backs weren't supposed to wear sleeves because they couldn't feel the ball...but our PR(leader) wore sleeves and was fumbling all over the field. Our coaches can't do anything right now because of depth..especially because we need guys like JD, Mo, AM because our talent behind them is piss poor. Those kids understand leverage, they abuse leverage, and only lose leverage when they can be replaced...except they can always transfer at that point. Probably going to take Saban like effort of brainwashing kids to fight for the team regardless and even Saban has lost 5 stars to transfer year after year.
It's not just seniors. The problem is that it takes time to develop O linemen and linebackers. VERY few O linemen and backers are able to come in and play at a high level as underclassmen. Our older linebackers are not good. Our junior RT is not good. Jaimes is playing hurt so I'll give him a bit of a break. I was afraid we were going to struggle on the O line this year and that was before I knew that a sophomore walk on was going to start at guard. It's relatively easy for a young RB or WR to play at a high level. The demands on their body are way different.
So does ours... What about oline? Do they have a freshman center converted from TE? Penn State also had the current coach of the Texans as a recruiter for a few years...we had Mike Riley who is the current coach of....
BTW.. OBrien destroyed our OL.. he grabbed some skill guys (we had limited ships, like 15 to give and a few guys had quit) and split.. the year after he left was by far our toughest year. We had like 5 OL on scholly.. had 2 DT's playing on OL. One a fourth and short one of our OL actually blocked another OL
. We played vs Nebraska with 43 guys on scholly at one point.RS Frosh LT..
RS Soph backup LT
RG soph
TE soph
Bingo. Minnesota is the youngest team in the Big Ten and they kicked our @ss.How many Seniors did the Gophers have?
Their are no seniors. Only millennials. They would rather have more Snapface followers then rushing yards or tackles.
Our media and our coaches were making fun of PJ, for making his players put their hands in ice buckets, using frozen and wet footballs, turning the AC way down in the practice facility to help simulate game conditions.
Our coaches prepped for the conditions by...practicing outside.
Which team looked prepared to play in the cold and which one didnt.
Hopefully our coaches found some humility in that game, and will buckle down and prep kids for games better going forward.
BTW.. OBrien destroyed our OL.. he grabbed some skill guys (we had limited ships, like 15 to give and a few guys had quit) and split.. the year after he left was by far our toughest year. We had like 5 OL on scholly.. had 2 DT's playing on OL. One a fourth and short one of our OL actually blocked another OL
RS Frosh LT..
RS Soph backup LT
RG soph
TE soph
Well our online should look like:
True Freshman
True Freshman
Redshirt Freshman
True Freshman
True Freshman
Come back in two years and see how we are doing with our oline.
You're kinda right. But Frazier was a very confident cocky freshman when he came in. He earned the teams respect because he could back up his talk. Not popular or a captain but definitely a leader
The same guys who were seniors when you stated that 7 wins would be a big setback this year and 8 wins would be kind of disappointing.
True enough. But having as awesome pipeline, OC and animal running backs helps boatloads. Put him or anybody else behind our current OLine and the results would be massively different.
You hope your guys up front are your leaders, and it takes 12-13 years to properly develop an OL with depth.
Maybe. But I guarantee you he'd be ripping butt. That's the difference between a leader and a poser. BUT you have to take it one step further and make sure you are the hardest working person on the team.
It is obvious that Tommie came into a better situation but until Tommie got here the team could not get over the hump and if you talk to the players at the time they will tell you that Tommie's leadership helped make that final step happen!
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