Will we have fully electric cars/grids in your lifetime?

JOHNNY N

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You would have to figure out how to charge the battery faster. No one is going to want to wait an hour to charge because there's a line st every charging station. All day trips would be even more miserable.
Also the creation and storage of all the energy needed to charge those batteries.
 

JOHNNY N

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The big issue that nobody talks about is raw materials. Such as lithium, copper, rare earth minerals and many more especially if the rest of the world builds on the same scale. China has cornered the market on rare earth minerals and the other minerals just aren’t available for a world wide buildout. The whole idea is ridiculous and unnecessay. Part of the Great Reset that Biden endorses.
Don't forget about the environmental impact of that mining and the toxic materials that go into batteries. Electric vehicles aren't very green.
 

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Just the fact that Elon's new car has Plaid(Spaceballs reference) speed makes it the coolest thing ever. 0-60mph in 2 sec.
I don't know man. I still think shooting Diesel smoke out my tail pipe ranks pretty high up there on the cool scale.
 

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Yep because oil isn't subsidized 🤦‍♂️
It is. But not at the rate of green energy. Here is a list of green energy companies that have gone bankrupt. Thanks for trying.

A list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:
Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:
Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
Fisker Karman ($528.7 million)
 
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nelsonj22

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It is. But not at the rate of green energy. Here is a list of green energy companies that have gone bankrupt. Thanks for trying.

A list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:
Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:
Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
Fisker Karman ($528.7 million)
Go back and look at subsidies and socialist policies when horses out numbered cars to get the oil infrastructure to where it is now.

Green energies wouldn't touch that amount.
 

nelsonj22

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It is. But not at the rate of green energy. Here is a list of green energy companies that have gone bankrupt. Thanks for trying.

A list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:
Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:
Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
Fisker Karman ($528.7 million)
Also now due all the failed oil companies through out history and the govt money that they received, TIA
 

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Like your number 3 above
"Let the market figure out because they are best at it".
Make both and the consumer decides.
I agree. The consumer will drive the change to electric much faster than most people realize.
 

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Did natural gas not fail in Texas?
The Gas didn't fail, how does gas fail? That doesn't make any sense. It was the design of the infrastructure where they chose not to build if a rare disaster was to happen like those cold temps for that area.
This proves my my point, Everything needs to be double built with redundancy. Renewable sure as Hell wasn't going to do anything to help the Texas Blackout.
 

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Gas boils water. Steam turns turbine. Turbine produces electricity. Water plus freezing temperatures = bad.

Holy shit! I know how it works. Are you telling me Natural Gas can't be used in cold temperatures?
FFS!
 

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Holy shit! I know how it works.

You're the one who, apparently bewildered, asked:

how does gas fail?
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Are you telling me Natural Gas can't be used in cold temperatures?
FFS!

Like most engineered system, natural gas can work in a variety of conditions, when designed for such conditions. The Texas applications were not designed for such conditions.
 

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The Gas didn't fail, how does gas fail? That doesn't make any sense. It was the design of the infrastructure where they chose not to build if a rare disaster was to happen like those cold temps for that area.
This proves my my point, Everything needs to be double built with redundancy. Renewable sure as Hell wasn't going to do anything to help the Texas Blackout.
Semantics is a poor debate tactic.
 
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Can the grid handle all these new-fangled electric clothes dryers and central AC units??? Nothing wrong with a clothesline and ceiling fan if you ask me. There will be too much stress on the grid if every home has one!
You forgot about gas powered dryers…as we have learned in this thread natural gas is infallible!
 
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Go back and look at subsidies and socialist policies when horses out numbered cars to get the oil infrastructure to where it is now.

Green energies wouldn't touch that amount.
Wrong. Supporting evidence? In 2012 the top two corporations paying federal taxes in the US were ExxonMobil and Chevron paying a combined total of $45.2 billion. On average, the industry pays a 45% tax rate when all state, federal, and foreign taxes are totaled up.

Energy subsidies from the federal government (in billions of 2018 U.S. dollars). The “other” category represents technology-agnostic energy subsidies, like transmission and conservation efforts which aren’t tied to specific fuels. Source: EIA. See chart below. This should make it easier for you. Fossil fuel is in Blue.
chart of energy subsidies
 
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Not until each auto is self powered by solar, nuclear, etc. theres no way to power all cars electrically, off 5he grid. It would take an elect substation on each corner.

never underestimate the power of invention though.
No it wouldn't. 25% grid increase with current technology (future will require less)
 

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Just the fact that Elon's new car has Plaid(Spaceballs reference) speed makes it the coolest thing ever. 0-60mph in 2 sec.
It's the fastest production car EVER.

The new roadster with similar tech will be the even faster (and a rocket booster).

Faster than a $3.5M Bugatti. Just plain fast.

But yeah. BMX is way cooler
 
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Don't forget about the environmental impact of that mining and the toxic materials that go into batteries. Electric vehicles aren't very green.
That was true 10 years ago.

Now in the worst states in the US (big-time coal States) you have to drive a 55mpg hybrid Prius or something to have an equal impact as a moderately efficient electric (like 80mpg for the more efficient models and 150mpg in areas where coal isn't used).

So no, you can drop that myth now.
 
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It is. But not at the rate of green energy. Here is a list of green energy companies that have gone bankrupt. Thanks for trying.

A list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:
Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:
Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
Fisker Karman ($528.7 million)
Oil industry gets billions EVERY YEAR. Oil is subsidized more than anything else in our country
 
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That was true 10 years ago.

Now in the worst states in the US (big-time coal States) you have to drive a 55mpg hybrid Prius or something to have an equal impact as a moderately efficient electric (like 80mpg for the more efficient models and 150mpg in areas where coal isn't used).

So no, you can drop that myth now.
The mining of the materials used is good for the environment? How about the used or damaged batteries? I'm not even sure you meant to reply to me.
 

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You're the one who, apparently bewildered, asked:


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Like most engineered system, natural gas can work in a variety of conditions, when designed for such conditions. The Texas applications were not designed for such conditions.

Correct. I thought that’s what all my comments were alluding to.
Gas didn’t fail. Infrastructure did.
 
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The next big issue will be disposing of the millions of batteries and solar panels.

Also, the Feds will do a study that finds the batteries emit some sort of toxic chemical or something like that. No matter what the forward progress we make, congress uses the same playbook to create public concern. That concern makes money and divides the political parties. I hate to say that but it's the reality.

To answer the question, yes we will be entirely reliant on non-fossil fuel energy at some point. I personally do not think it will be solar or battery. It will be something like Nuclear Fusion to create large sums of energy. Certainly won't be in my lifetime and unfortunately, we will exchange one problem with another problem.
Mining lithium isn't environmentally friendly. It emits ton's of carbon and uses an inordinate amount of groundwater.
 

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The Gas didn't fail, how does gas fail? That doesn't make any sense. It was the design of the infrastructure where they chose not to build if a rare disaster was to happen like those cold temps for that area.
This proves my my point, Everything needs to be double built with redundancy. Renewable sure as Hell wasn't going to do anything to help the Texas Blackout.
Man you are really proving you are a fvcking idiot, not that it need proving from previous posts, how does gas fail?

By not winterizing the cooling systems because they are fvcking rere's down in texass and it got cold.
 

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Wrong. Supporting evidence? In 2012 the top two corporations paying federal taxes in the US were ExxonMobil and Chevron paying a combined total of $45.2 billion. On average, the industry pays a 45% tax rate when all state, federal, and foreign taxes are totaled up.

Energy subsidies from the federal government (in billions of 2018 U.S. dollars). The “other” category represents technology-agnostic energy subsidies, like transmission and conservation efforts which aren’t tied to specific fuels. Source: EIA. See chart below. This should make it easier for you. Fossil fuel is in Blue.
chart of energy subsidies
Now go back and add up 100 years of oil subsidies I'm 2021 dollars.

Again govt built the oil infrastructure in America from field to station, same as they will have to do for renewables.
 

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Man you are really proving you are a fvcking idiot, not that it need proving from previous posts, how does gas fail?

By not winterizing the cooling systems because they are fvcking rere's down in texass and it got cold.

Holy shit you are dumb AF!
That’s exactly what I said. It was built cheaply not to meet all possible environmental conditions, even rare or improbable.
The fossil fuel gas didn’t fail like wind or sunlight would do under rare or extreme conditions.

What I said these power grids will need redundancy to pick up for the failed renewable energy so it will only drive up the cost. I can guarantee you they will under build like they did in Texas and did in California.
 

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Now go back and add up 100 years of oil subsidies I'm 2021 dollars.

Again govt built the oil infrastructure in America from field to station, same as they will have to do for renewables.
Again, you don't support your side with any data. The subsidies for oil are a fraction of green energy. The electric car is powered by coal. The pipelines were built by oil companies. The drilling, by oil companies. There is no government gas stations. There are no government oil rigs or companies.
 
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Holy shit you are dumb AF!
That’s exactly what I said. It was built cheaply not to meet all possible environmental conditions, even rare or improbable.
The fossil fuel gas didn’t fail like wind or sunlight would do under rare or extreme conditions.

What I said these power grids will need redundancy to pick up for the failed renewable energy so it will only drive up the cost. I can guarantee you they will under build like they did in Texas and did in California.
So how is Texans being retards and oil/natural gas failing a problem with renewables? Derp

You realize they use wind and solar in the most extreme conditions on earth right?
 

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