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Interesting. I have a second cousin who was in the military, is an M.D. and PhD, and was one of the top researchers at Walter Reed Army Medical Center when he retired. But even though retired he has been in constant contact with people in organizations ranging from WHO to NIH to USAMRIID. He has been sending out emails to my mother, who has been forwarding them to her family. His position is a little different than the OP's wife, although he said to ignore the most far out scenario's as they are about as likely as winning the lottery. But he says we are on a cusp where things could go terribly, terribly bad or it could end up being one of those situations where ten years from now everyone will laugh about the silly fake pandemic, not knowing how close we came to a full-fledged disaster. One of the few things he said that I hadn't seen elsewhere about how to help keep from catching Covid-19 is to drink water when you are out and about, and lots of it. If the virus enters you mouth or moves from your nose to your mouth the water will wash the virus into your stomach, where it will be destroyed by the hydrochloric acid.
 
She's a Doctor. Hospital she works in is trying to deal with the full panic mode going on in our society.

Staff around the area are very upset with the media. UNMC docs are as well.

Best thing she heard from a regional specialist was this:

"The best way to get rid of the virus is to have the media shut up about it for two weeks."

It's amazing the differences between this and the swine flu response. Wonder why...

Media bashing is as wrong as billionaire bashing by Bernie, Liz Warren and Steyer..

For real fun and excitement, I bash all Americans who support wasteful manned space exploration spending.
 
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Interesting. I have a second cousin who was in the military, is an M.D. and PhD, and was one of the top researchers at Walter Reed Army Medical Center when he retired. But even though retired he has been in constant contact with people in organizations ranging from WHO to NIH to USAMRIID. He has been sending out emails to my mother, who has been forwarding them to her family. His position is a little different than the OP's wife, although he said to ignore the most far out scenario's as they are about as likely as winning the lottery. But he says we are on a cusp where things could go terribly, terribly bad or it could end up being one of those situations where ten years from now everyone will laugh about the silly fake pandemic, not knowing how close we came to a full-fledged disaster. One of the few things he said that I hadn't seen elsewhere about how to help keep from catching Covid-19 is to drink water when you are out and about, and lots of it. If the virus enters you mouth or moves from your nose to your mouth the water will wash the virus into your stomach, where it will be destroyed by the hydrochloric acid.
It’s no wonder there making runs on bottled water now
 
What is happening now is an effort to flatten the curve. If you haven't read up on what that is and why it's important, you need to.

This times a million. Best to do that early in the curve as well. Test, test, test and then shut things down in the highly affected clusters.

This situation is different than the Swine Flu and with time the numbers will bear that out. I do think the administration is finally getting on the right path. No point going back and debating missteps. The voters will make that calculation for us in 7.5 months.

South Korea is the model to follow and that means we should be testing like Henry Ford himself designed the process. American industry and innovation need to be mobilized to test like no country has tested before and they need to do it right now.
 
Here’s the biggest issue:

At any time we have somewhere between 50k and 300k available hospital beds nationwide. If we don’t flatten the curve our healthcare system will break down and many otherwise avoidable deaths we’ll occur. Flatten the curve and even if we have the same amount of cases the spread will allow us to combat it with the full night of our healthcare system
 
Why don't you guys Google "exponential"

No chance

China Apple Stores already opening. We will contain this virus

GBR
 
Here’s the biggest issue:

At any time we have somewhere between 50k and 300k available hospital beds nationwide. If we don’t flatten the curve our healthcare system will break down and many otherwise avoidable deaths we’ll occur. Flatten the curve and even if we have the same amount of cases the spread will allow us to combat it with the full night of our healthcare system

Also keeping in mind flu season is still going where we need beds, people are still having heart attacks and need transplants and cancer treatments. All of these can disappear in a pandemic if the hospitals are overwhelmed with the virus.
 
What a bullshit thread. What is the point? So we can just flaunt our credentials now to make our political points? I’m a PhD in molecular biology with experience in infectious diseases. The media is a business. Hospitals are businesses. They are going to do what businesses do. It’s the dipshits in charge contradicting the scientists who know what they are talking about who are the real danger.
 
The difference is this flu virus today comes during a election year and the anti-Trump people are in FULL BEAST MODE. The swine-flu outbreak happened in '09 ( I believe) ...Obama was already in office and this country was out of campaign mode, particularly the media. Yes, the coronavirus has been politicized.
Oh please fool this has nothing to do with anti-trump,this has to do with the mortality rate.
 
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Who has the most to gain? Lets not act as if the media is some fair middle man here becuse they’re far from it. It’s good that they report statistics here but they’re not just reporting the numbers, they want you to blame Trump..

Oh you mean the guy that called this a "hoax" up until Feb. 29th, at least a month after the House of Representatives contacted him with an urgent e-mail, warning him to prepare for the impending pandemic? That guy?

Or was it the guy that eliminated the CDC Pandemic Directive in 2018? Just 3 days ago the CDC did a total of 8 Caronavirus tests...throughout the entire U.S.!! 3 DAYS ago!!

Tell me...who else should be blamed? The buck stops at the guy who is most responsible for it, as it should be.
 
The point is that cancelling events 6 weeks from now is probably an over reaction. Hoarding TP and hand sanitizer is an over reaction. Causing people who need things NOW to not be able to get them because you're afraid you might run out 3 weeks from now is causing harm to some citizens who may be at higher risk than yourself. THAT is the point. Yes the measures being taken now are being taken to try to slow the virus down so that we don't overwhelm our medical systems and that is what is meant by "flatten the curve". The down side of that is that it drags things out longer. It also MIGHT decrease dramatically the number of fatalities over the long haul just due to increasing our ability to care for critically ill people. IF you're sure you're going to get it, now is the time to get it.
The Toilet paper thing ,I believe,is related to how Italy is,stay in place ,so if you have to stay home you will need something to wipe your ass with for 2 plus weeks.Me personally have not bought extra.
 
Yeah political ones
It may just be doctors who see things differently, which fits what that media person is looking at too.
The range of potential deaths are 200,000 to I believe over one million.
If that media person wants a story, he chooses the doctor who believes over a million.

While both of the estimates may be right potentially, eventually, both can't be right in time.
If the theme is drastic from your network, you're likely togo find what the networks approach is.

If anyone doesn't think networks do this, they aren't worth talking to. If they do, it depends on what they want to hear, believe it or not. No one wants to get caught with their pants down, but at the same time, others are buying extra TP too.
 
The Toilet paper thing ,I believe,is related to how Italy is,stay in place ,so if you have to stay home you will need something to wipe your ass with for 2 plus weeks.Me personally have not bought extra.

I actually saw a Psychologist bring up an interesting theory about the toilet paper. It was the idea that many people feel hopeless due to the lack of control that we currently have. Therefore we do something that we can control in order to compensate, like making sure we don’t have to wipe with a leaf.

well, she didn’t say that last part I guess. Her explanation made sense to me. I’d imagine it would be hand sanitizer if it were more readily available
 
The spring version was as deadly as the coronavirus, completely derailed the German offensive of that spring and summer...passed through millions of people and then mutated by the fall. Lets hope the same thing doesn't happen here. This is the #1 reason to limit infections, this thing has already mutated from an S(mild) version to the L(more aggressive) version. And I am embarrassed that europe and America have done so little to track the genetic movement of this virus.
You need access, which china never gave,outside of Beijing. I believe I read somewhere where the Canucks finally isolated it.
Long ways to go
 
I actually saw a Psychologist bring up an interesting theory about the toilet paper. It was the idea that many people feel hopeless due to the lack of control that we currently have. Therefore we do something that we can control in order to compensate, like making sure we don’t have to wipe with a leaf.

well, she didn’t say that last part I guess. Her explanation made sense to me. I’d imagine it would be hand sanitizer if it were more readily available
Yea, while possibly true for some,others are like lemmings,while others are getting great comedy, and are more secure.
It's almost as if psychologists ether have no sense of humor, or are some very hung up folk.
 
Yea, while possibly true for some,others are like lemmings,while others are getting great comedy, and are more secure.
It's almost as if psychologists ether have no sense of humor, or are some very hung up folk.

i always wondered if folks that study and/or practice psychology constantly get caught in whirlpools of self-psychoanalysis. It must be difficult to turn it off.
 
Oh you mean the guy that called this a "hoax" up until Feb. 29th, at least a month after the House of Representatives contacted him with an urgent e-mail, warning him to prepare for the impending pandemic? That guy?

Or was it the guy that eliminated the CDC Pandemic Directive in 2018? Just 3 days ago the CDC did a total of 8 Caronavirus tests...throughout the entire U.S.!! 3 DAYS ago!!

Tell me...who else should be blamed? The buck stops at the guy who is most responsible for it, as it should be.
What happened on January 31st? We shut down contact with china, 17 days after china cited their problem publicly,officially.
At the time, it was a rare event, and criticized by the media, a month later, t wasn't enough.

So, if you believe this.....
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/business/china-travel-coronavirus.html


The travel disruption sent shocks through the stock market and rattled industries that depend on the flow of goods and people between the world’s two largest economies. Planning was upended for companies across a vast global supply chain, from Apple to John Deere, the tractor company.

The S&P 500 suffered its worst loss since October, falling 1.8 percent, as the spread of the virus — and the increasingly urgent efforts by companies and governments to contain it — fanned fears of an economic slowdown.

Actions have reactions, and hoaxes have been going on, just like our government didn't care,as per the media.
A thing the media also does, is not tell all the story, if it suits them.
When ur government put the brakes on china, things started shaking, wasn't long after, the Saudis and Russians started their oil war, ripe in this time of turmoil for a power play.
 
Here's where the canucks finally isolated the virus
https://sunnybrook.ca/research/media/item.asp?c=2&i=2069&f=covid-19-isolated-2020
Researchers from these world-class institutions came together in a grassroots way to successfully isolate the virus in just a few short weeks,” said Dr. Rob Kozak, clinical microbiologist at Sunnybrook. “It demonstrates the amazing things that can happen when we collaborate.”

A few short weeks. If they had an earlier opportunity, it would have been done sooner.
 
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What happened on January 31st? We shut down contact with china, 17 days after china cited their problem publicly,officially.
At the time, it was a rare event, and criticized by the media, a month later, t wasn't enough.

So, if you believe this.....

We didn't shut down anything with China on Jan. 24th. China eliminated travel on Jan. 24th.

However, the CDC implemented testing at 5 major U.S. airports on Jan 24th. Maybe you're confusing those 2 similar events. :rolleyes:

Edit - Well, you changed it from the Jan. 24th to Jan. 31st before it was quoted. No big deal actually.What disgusts me is that up until Feb 29th, Trump was calling it a "Democratic hoax." Ridiculous.
 
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We didn't shut down anything with China on Jan. 24th. China eliminated travel on Jan. 24th.

However, the CDC implemented testing at 5 major U.S. airports on Jan 24th. Maybe you're confusing those 2 similar events. :rolleyes:
No, 17 days after china officially announced the outbreak, we took action, and we took our own people back, but they were isolated.
So, if you were coming back home, you're getting quarantined in January.
 
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Can you guys please not make every thread political stupidity? The OP brings up salient points and the media is out of control fueling panic. It’s as if this goal.

How can you blame the media they are simply relaying what the CDC, the HSH, and the Surgeon General are saying. I think the op and his wife listen to Fox News too much. The leading experts say this strain is 10 times more lethal than influenza. Panic maybe not but great concern yes!!!
 
We didn't shut down anything with China on Jan. 24th. China eliminated travel on Jan. 24th.

However, the CDC implemented testing at 5 major U.S. airports on Jan 24th. Maybe you're confusing those 2 similar events. :rolleyes:

Edit - Well, you changed it from the Jan. 24th to Jan. 31st before it was quoted. No big deal actually.What disgusts me is that up until Feb 29th, Trump was calling it a "Democratic hoax." Ridiculous.
The cdc had the call,as its been since they created the path in such incidents. No confusion.
Now,as to the hoax, he said that it was the hoax that he didn't care as it was playing out by various opponents and the media.
That he was mishandling this was the hoax, that he didn't care was the hoax, by not understanding the cdc is in charge, the so called cuts, the so called firings, all not true, and a hoax in the making.
When I heard it, I knew exactly what he meant, no confusion whatsoever. Never a doubt,it was clear.

The response just isnt connected to reality, in that is simply completely ignoring intentions and past deeds, leaving room for another hoax, if people are so inclined.
 
I've now been through three catastrophes in three years.

August 2017 - Hurricane Harvey hits Houston. Rumors start flowing in Austin that the refineries would be offline for weeks-months. Texas Railroad Commission (in charge of oil industry, don't ask, it's Texas) insists there is no supply shortage. Everybody starts hoarding gas. One guy in my neighborhood was recorded filling a plastic garbage can with gas in the back of his truck. The results - the city had no gas for three days. But there is only so much gas you can put in your car, and within three days the supply was back to normal again.

October 2018 - Record rainfall causes muddy run-off to flood into the city's reservoir, overwhelming the water utility's ability to supply fresh water (learned the word "turbidity" during that "crisis"). Boil water notice sounded by city as a precaution, though no microbes were ever found in water tests. The gas hoarders from 14 months before raid every retailer in a four-county area for bottled water. You couldn't find a drop anywhere. Schools and governmental agencies had to truck in water from far away to provide water to schools, the elderly, and other at-risk groups. I just boiled it on the stove, which was no big deal. Within three days there were pallets of bottled water in the aisles of every store in the city, most of which went unsold. We picked up four cases at fire-sale prices for the next emergency.

March 2020 - a flu-like virus with low transmission and mortality rates sweeps over from China. Dubbed the "Covfefe Virus," hysterical soccer moms start looting stores of toilet paper, of all things. You'd think Advil and other medicinal remedies would be the target, but for some reason those minivan moms really, REALLY have to take huge dumps when things get dicey. News footage of miles-long lines of panic buying at Costco and elsewhere leads to a nation-wide run on the stores. There is literally no supply shortage of any consumer products in this country right now, but like I said, those mamma bears have to squat and take massive dumps. Most likely, this looting behavior will pass in a few days. How many 48 packs of Costco toilet paper can one mom buy before dad finally puts his foot down?

This is a good reminder of two equally-important life lessons: 1) You should ALREADY have a supply of toilet paper, water, medicine, etc. in your house for emergencies, weather-related, man-made, or any other kind; and 2) Don't feed the hysteria. When the looting begins, I know the first thing you're thinking is "if I don't rush out and get toilet paper, I may never see toilet paper again." But it's not true. In a few days it will be back on shelves, and the craziness will end. Don't throw fuel on the fire by panic buying along with the hysterics. And if I'm wrong, you can always borrow some TP from me. I have 4800 rolls.
 
I've now been through three catastrophes in three years.

August 2017 - Hurricane Harvey hits Houston. Rumors start flowing in Austin that the refineries would be offline for weeks-months. Texas Railroad Commission (in charge of oil industry, don't ask, it's Texas) insists there is no supply shortage. Everybody starts hoarding gas. One guy in my neighborhood was recorded filling a plastic garbage can with gas in the back of his truck. The results - the city had no gas for three days. But there is only so much gas you can put in your car, and within three days the supply was back to normal again.

October 2018 - Record rainfall causes muddy run-off to flood into the city's reservoir, overwhelming the water utility's ability to supply fresh water (learned the word "turbidity" during that "crisis"). Boil water notice sounded by city as a precaution, though no microbes were ever found in water tests. The gas hoarders from 14 months before raid every retailer in a four-county area for bottled water. You couldn't find a drop anywhere. Schools and governmental agencies had to truck in water from far away to provide water to schools, the elderly, and other at-risk groups. I just boiled it on the stove, which was no big deal. Within three days there were pallets of bottled water in the aisles of every store in the city, most of which went unsold. We picked up four cases at fire-sale prices for the next emergency.

March 2020 - a flu-like virus with low transmission and mortality rates sweeps over from China. Dubbed the "Covfefe Virus," hysterical soccer moms start looting stores of toilet paper, of all things. You'd think Advil and other medicinal remedies would be the target, but for some reason those minivan moms really, REALLY have to take huge dumps when things get dicey. News footage of miles-long lines of panic buying at Costco and elsewhere leads to a nation-wide run on the stores. There is literally no supply shortage of any consumer products in this country right now, but like I said, those mamma bears have to squat and take massive dumps. Most likely, this looting behavior will pass in a few days. How many 48 packs of Costco toilet paper can one mom buy before dad finally puts his foot down?

This is a good reminder of two equally-important life lessons: 1) You should ALREADY have a supply of toilet paper, water, medicine, etc. in your house for emergencies, weather-related, man-made, or any other kind; and 2) Don't feed the hysteria. When the looting begins, I know the first thing you're thinking is "if I don't rush out and get toilet paper, I may never see toilet paper again." But it's not true. In a few days it will be back on shelves, and the craziness will end. Don't throw fuel on the fire by panic buying along with the hysterics. And if I'm wrong, you can always borrow some TP from me. I have 4800 rolls.
Tell ya what, what you say I come down there, you get those momma bear raiders addresses, and at night, we put that TP to good use?
 
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I’m not a doctor, and won’t pretend to be. I do feel the 24 hour media is hyping this to a frenzy. I also feel that one side of the political aisle would love to see the stock market tank because party power is more important than what’s good for the average citizen. And before you brand me a right winger, realize I feel the biggest problem with our government is lack of term limits for the House and Senate.

One thing I wish the CDC and the media would focus on is to give us data. If this article is correct, regarding Italy, the average age of those who have died there....81. 2/3 of them had 3 or more pre-existing conditions. The article also says it will be deadlier than the flu to healthy people.

So it’d be nice if the CDC would (if they have I can’t find it) start releasing stats on age, sex, and pre-existing conditions so we can all have a better understanding of what is going on.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vo...oronavirus-death-age-covid-19-elderly-seniors
 
I’m not a doctor, and won’t pretend to be. I do feel the 24 hour media is hyping this to a frenzy. I also feel that one side of the political aisle would love to see the stock market tank because party power is more important than what’s good for the average citizen. And before you brand me a right winger, realize I feel the biggest problem with our government is lack of term limits for the House and Senate.

One thing I wish the CDC and the media would focus on is to give us data. If this article is correct, regarding Italy, the average age of those who have died there....81. 2/3 of them had 3 or more pre-existing conditions. The article also says it will be deadlier than the flu to healthy people.

So it’d be nice if the CDC would (if they have I can’t find it) start releasing stats on age, sex, and pre-existing conditions so we can all have a better understanding of what is going on.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vo...oronavirus-death-age-covid-19-elderly-seniors
I get that, but it's really up to the media should be leading with, but caution prevents the cdc from doing this.
Instead, what isn't said by the media works well for them and theirs.
Crossing that line of goodwill is treacherous,sadly,it's become common today.
 
The cdc had the call,as its been since they created the path in such incidents. No confusion.
Now,as to the hoax, he said that it was the hoax that he didn't care as it was playing out by various opponents and the media.
That he was mishandling this was the hoax, that he didn't care was the hoax, by not understanding the cdc is in charge, the so called cuts, the so called firings, all not true, and a hoax in the making.
When I heard it, I knew exactly what he meant, no confusion whatsoever. Never a doubt,it was clear.

The response just isnt connected to reality, in that is simply completely ignoring intentions and past deeds, leaving room for another hoax, if people are so inclined.

Although I can barely read this response, I believe you are suggesting the "hoax" comment was about the media. If that it what you are suggesting, we both know this is COMPLETE horseshit.
 
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She's a Doctor. Hospital she works in is trying to deal with the full panic mode going on in our society.

Staff around the area are very upset with the media. UNMC docs are as well.

Best thing she heard from a regional specialist was this:

"The best way to get rid of the virus is to have the media shut up about it for two weeks."

It's amazing the differences between this and the swine flu response. Wonder why...

I’ll take completely fabricated story that was copied and pasted from Karen’s Facebook page for $400, Alex
 
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Here are the curves during the 1918 flu in Philadelphia (no social distancing or widespread cancellations because they were viewed as “overreactions”)versus St. Louis where these practices were performed



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