Wife works in healthcare...calm down people

[litespeedhuskerfan]

I just got back from the zoo.. I mean Hy Vee. I actually passed up the opportunity to buy one of their last two packs of crapper paper, and I only bought one six pack of beer, but it was Platinum...so I got that goin for me. After reading this thread I feel like I should have bought more.

 

[dinglefritz]

Zinc in the cells destroys the RNA replication stage of virus, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine allow zinc to get into cells. These have been used in Korea and seem to help...emergency cases will get access to experimental drugs and they are likely to be trialed in asia. This is the reason to stretch this thing out as long as possible...we are going to layer treatments on top of treatments and cut fatality rates over time.

IF you are deficient in Zinc or Vitamin C yes supplementation within reason might improve your immune function. That is not a cure. That's just trying to insure good health with NORMAL dietary consumption of vitamins and minerals. Last time I checked Big Macs are a little low in both vitamin C and Zn.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Wrong, this is a novel corona virus.
So, I ask you, have you bothered to look up those prior studies yourself? You want it handed to you?
I looked up certain things I wanted to know, like humidity effects on virii.
Easy to do.

Dont tell me to trust someone else on things I can do myself. The media just looks it up too.

No, you are incorrect. This is a new virus, but it isn't a new class of viruses. It is a Coronavirus, just like SARS and MERS were. So they at least know how it is spread. And they can make comparisons to SARS and MERS in terms of the incubation period, and what age ranges are most at risk.

 

[huskerfan66]

Zinc in the cells destroys the RNA replication stage of virus, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine allow zinc to get into cells. These have been used in Korea and seem to help...emergency cases will get access to experimental drugs and they are likely to be trialed in asia. This is the reason to stretch this thing out as long as possible...we are going to layer treatments on top of treatments and cut fatality rates over time.

Zinc is a wonderful thing

 

[huskerfan66]

The point is that cancelling events 6 weeks from now is probably an over reaction. Hoarding TP and hand sanitizer is an over reaction. Causing people who need things NOW to not be able to get them because you're afraid you might run out 3 weeks from now is causing harm to some citizens who may be at higher risk than yourself. THAT is the point. Yes the measures being taken now are being taken to try to slow the virus down so that we don't overwhelm our medical systems and that is what is meant by "flatten the curve". The down side of that is that it drags things out longer. It also MIGHT decrease dramatically the number of fatalities over the long haul just due to increasing our ability to care for critically ill people. IF you're sure you're going to get it, now is the time to get it.

I agree. Big 12 is suspending things for a few weeks and then reassessing. But they may change their approach.

I understand what you're saying about "if you're going to get it, get it now" because things potentially could get overwhelmed.

HOWEVER, Dr Seigal who covered the news at unmc (yes for Fox news) said that on the bright side the longer this goes the weaker it will be as in his opinion most viruses are deadliest and strongest right away. Fwiw

 

[dinglefritz]

I agree. Big 12 is suspending things for a few weeks and then reassessing. But they may change their approach.

I understand what you're saying about "if you're going to get it, get it now" because things potentially could get overwhelmed.

HOWEVER, Dr Seigal who covered the news at unmc (yes for Fox news) said that on the bright side the longer this goes the weaker it will be as in his opinion most viruses are deadliest and strongest right away. Fwiw

The reason they're the deadliest normally is just viral loading and a lack of awareness. Once you get some population immunity things will tend to moderate with some flareups IMO. I don't expect summer weather to change things immensely but it will no doubt like the flu help some. Some of that is our #1 amplifiers being closed so that is why schools are closing all over the place. It causes some horrible headaches for parents to close the schools but that IMO will probably help us as much as anything in slowing this down.

 

[RedMyMind]

I just got back from the zoo.. I mean Hy Vee. I actually passed up the opportunity to buy one of their last two packs of crapper paper, and I only bought one six pack of beer, but it was Platinum...so I got that goin for me. After reading this thread I feel like I should have bought more.

I sold my boss on the idea of getting a bidet. Makes a total of 3 disciples so far in 8 years.

Apparently bidet sales are up big time with the crapper paper shortage of 2020.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

No, you are incorrect. This is a new virus, but it isn't a new class of viruses. It is a Coronavirus, just like SARS and MERS were. So they at least know how it is spread. And they can make comparisons to SARS and MERS in terms of the incubation period, and what age ranges are most at risk.

Only partly true, but nonethless. If it's important to someone, they can get their info from anywheres, but the media isn't immune to preference. It's one persons story, they choose who thry talk to, they choose why, like me wanting to know effects of humidity for instance.
The doctors who actually do the studies usually know the most, to me, an excellent way to start.
Each virus do different things,no matter the known or new, because the known mutates and does different things.

I'm just saying, if it's important the closer the source, the better the info. You rarely get this from the media, besides which is usually, like myself, getting info I want to get, which can be shaped in other ways than just the pure info, which is why I prefer the source.

 

[RedMyMind]

Zinc is a wonderful thing

 

[WHCSC]

She blinded me with

See the sunglasses thread

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

The reason they're the deadliest normally is just viral loading and a lack of awareness. Once you get some population immunity things will tend to moderate with some flareups IMO. I don't expect summer weather to change things immensely but it will no doubt like the flu help some. Some of that is our #1 amplifiers being closed so that is why schools are closing all over the place. It causes some horrible headaches for parents to close the schools but that IMO will probably help us as much as anything in slowing this down.

There are exceptions,like the spanish flu, in spring, not too bad, but come fall, sometimes killed within hours.

 

[Baxter48]

She's a Doctor. Hospital she works in is trying to deal with the full panic mode going on in our society.

Staff around the area are very upset with the media. UNMC docs are as well.

Best thing she heard from a regional specialist was this:

"The best way to get rid of the virus is to have the media shut up about it for two weeks."

It's amazing the differences between this and the swine flu response. Wonder why...

Thank you this is just getting so out of control

 

[Bill_Callahan2.0]

Why are we half-assing this effort if it’s so damn critical? We need to be in complete lockdown by the sounds of it. Why are airports still open? Casinos? Why are people still flocking downtown every day to work? If it’s as bad as the hysteria tells us, we need to take real action.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Why are we half-assing this effort if it’s so damn critical? We need to be in complete lockdown by the sounds of it. Why are airports still open? Casinos? Why are people still flocking downtown every day to work? If it’s as bad as the hysteria tells us, we need to take real action.

Why haven't they cancelled the football season yet?

 

[Hoosker Du]

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Only partly true, but nonethless. If it's important to someone, they can get their info from anywheres, but the media isn't immune to preference. It's one persons story, they choose who thry talk to, they choose why, like me wanting to know effects of humidity for instance.
The doctors who actually do the studies usually know the most, to me, an excellent way to start.
Each virus do different things,no matter the known or new, because the known mutates and does different things.

I'm just saying, if it's important the closer the source, the better the info. You rarely get this from the media, besides which is usually, like myself, getting info I want to get, which can be shaped in other ways than just the pure info, which is why I prefer the source.

What I said is completely true. Coronaviruses have been around for centuries. I don't find my clinical information on media sites. I generally go to Medscape or similar clinical sites.

The common cold is a Coronavirus, of which there are some 200 different strains. SARS AND MERS are also Coronaviruses, but they are obviously of the variety that are more dangerous than cold viruses.

The best way to understand this particular Coronavirus is to first start with its cousins, SARS and MERS. Making these comparisons can help to understand how Covid-19 acts differently than these viruses, and how it is more effectively spreading. There is a reason why SARS cars died off after around 8,100 cases and 775 deaths, and this will be looked at.

I don't remember enough about SARS to remember why it stopped around 8,000 cases. Will be reading about it.

 

[Bill_Callahan2.0]

If we keep getting compared to Italy, what are we doing?

 

[WestCoastCornhusker2]

She's a Doctor. Hospital she works in is trying to deal with the full panic mode going on in our society.

Staff around the area are very upset with the media. UNMC docs are as well.

Best thing she heard from a regional specialist was this:

"The best way to get rid of the virus is to have the media shut up about it for two weeks."

It's amazing the differences between this and the swine flu response. Wonder why...

That's is the exact wrong thing to say . It would spread like wild prairie fire if that was said.

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

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What I said is completely true. Coronaviruses have been around for centuries. I don't find my clinical information on media sites. I generally go to Medscape or similar clinical sites.

The common cold is a Coronavirus, of which there are some 200 different strains. SARS AND MERS are also Coronaviruses, but they are obviously of the variety that are more dangerous than cold viruses.

The best way to understand this particular Coronavirus is to first start with its cousins, SARS and MERS. Making these comparisons can help to understand how Covid-19 acts differently than these viruses, and how it is more effectively spreading. There is a reason why SARS cars died off after around 8,100 cases and 775 deaths, and this will be looked at.

I don't remember enough about SARS to remember why it stopped around 8,000 cases. Will be reading about it.

Right, but the panic part are the differences. I believe it was mers that was extremely deadly, and all three have a higher mortality rate compared to common flu.
But again, the other two weren't near as infectious as this one is.

There's other differences of course, but if this were as deadly as mers, we'd be in deep trouble.
The swine flu was bad too, but we didn't have this reaction.

I still believe it's good practice for down the road, and we found out here, regulations and testing the tests themselves, which originally showed too many false positives, we need to get better, and be better prepared.

I remember my parents telling me they never learned to swim until later, because of polio, we haven't faced restrictions in our lives, and some overreact because now we do.

 

[Baxter48]

Six weeks? How about 9 weeks? But you are right overall.

People are getting and going to get fired and are going to lose a lot that might not even be necessary, we have no idea yet. I have no idea why my position would seem crazy.

Everyone assumes you have to be in one of two camps:
1. This is just the flu you idiots
2. CANCEL EVERYTHING NOW OR YOU DON'T HAVE A HEART...WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE

There IS and SHOULD BE a middle ground here.

I told my wife this morning it’s almost like we got nuked by the Russian and now we’re dealing with the nuclear fallout is what the media is acting like, we’re all going to die the sky is falling. Guess what I still have to go to work every day, so do a lot other people, if I get it I get get but I’m sure as hell not going to let it control my life. A WW2 GI made a comment he said if the bullet has your name on it there’s nothing you can do about it, but it’s the one that’s has to who it may concern that’s the one you need to worry about. Same as this if it has my name on it I’m going to get it

 

[NorthwoodHusker]

I told my wife this morning it’s almost like we got nuked by the Russian and now we’re dealing with the nuclear fallout is what the media is acting like, we’re all going to die the sky is falling. Guess what I still have to go to work every day, so do a lot other people, if I get it I get get but I’m sure as hell not going to let it control my life. A WW2 GI made a comment he said if the bullet has your name on it there’s nothing you can do about it, but it’s the one that’s has to who it may concern that’s the one you need to worry about. Same as this if it has my name on it I’m going to get it

Just one thing, take cautions around the elderly and infirm.

 

[Baxter48]

Just one thing, take cautions around the elderly and infirm.

Yes, in 2013 both my parents were in the nursing home and the flu was really bad, this nursing home shut off all visitors for a month, I believe clergy could go in if the wore a gown and mask. My wife also works in the medical field and she’s completely had to gown up almost like using a hazmat suit in certain situations

 

[RedMyMind]

My wife works at a nursing home here in Kansas. No special precautions so far

 

[bkrrrrr]

Most people are fairly calm...until they have to start wiping their tushie with pages from a telephone book

 

[Catch50]

No, that is not a problem at all. Don't create a straw man.
We can have a different debate about shutting down schools for the moment.
It's entirely different to create mass hysteria and cancel things months away which only leads to more economic woes, societal panic, hospital shortages, etc. etc. Hospitals are facing shortages of stupid stuff becuase the media is telling everyone we're all gonna die when 40 people have died thus far.

I wish they took the same voice they did back during the swine flu days when we didn't declare state of emergency until after 1,000 people died, 18,000 people were hospitalized, and over 300,000 people had contracted the virus. And the media didn't go off the wall absurd panic mode, leading to everything being cancelled as quickly as possible even AFTER the state of emergency was declared.

The media is getting their info from doctors and scientists.

 

[huskerfan66]

My wife works at a nursing home here in Kansas. No special precautions so far

Wow. We closed nursing home down on Wednesday which is the prudent thing to do. They are used to it and do it every time the flu is worse than normal. They do a good job with it and are familiar with the procedure.

 

[RedMyMind]

Wow. We closed nursing home down on Wednesday which is the prudent thing to do. They are used to it and do it every time the flu is worse than normal. They do a good job with it and are familiar with the procedure.

I'll see if anything has changed once she get's home tonight.

 

[Baxter48]

The media is getting their info from doctors and scientists.

Yeah political ones

 

[bigboxes]

From: Andrea Settje, MD
NEBRASKA INTERNAL MEDICINE
I am terrified, we are about to all get slammed with a tsunami. As a physician, I feel my duty to speak out what this looks like from my perspective. Actually, I really don’t worry too much about myself or loved ones dying from this illness, as 80% of COVID19 is a mild disease. But I know our healthcare infrastructure can not withstand this sudden surge. I know my geriatric and chronically ill patients are most at risk of dying.
COVID19 is much more infectious and lethal than the flu, a percent more or less may not seem like much, but when multiplied into community numbers, that is when is gets scary. The reproductive number – the number of secondary infections generated from one infected individual – is reported to be between 2-3.2, the flu is 1.3. The fatality rate for COVID19 is 2-3.5%, the flu is <0.1%. Additionally, COVID19 hospitalizations are lasting days longer than flu hospitalizations.
Population of Lincoln 287,500
community attack rate 10%= 28,750 sick
Cases requiring hospitalization 10%=2,875
cases requiring ICU 1%=287
case fatality 3.5%= 1,006
Guess how many hospital beds Lincoln has? 1,100. Not even close to the low estimate of 2,875. Plus those bed are already occupied by sick patients. It very likely will be 3X this number!!!Other countries are seeing over 30% community attack rate. We cannot handle this surge!
China was extremely aggressive about testing and isolating in Wuhan and providing healthcare providers with the proper masks, gowns, etc. We are way under diagnosed due to narrow indications for testing and very limited supply of tests. I am worried our numbers will be worse than China.
Healthcare workers do not have the supplies needed: N95 masks, surgical masks, gowns, face shields. What happens when a dialysis nurse works with mild symptoms, and later is diagnosed. She may have exposed 2-3 days of dialysis patients, so 20-30 dialysis patients suddenly need quarantine and continue to receive dialysis. Where will the heart attack patient go who needs the ICU? Who will care for my patient admitted with a hip fracture?
If my staff gets sick (remember our lack of N95 masks) who will care for my high risk elderly patients?
The stories from physicians in China and Italy are terrifying and heart breaking.
What can we do? We don’t have a treatment or a vaccine. I need the public to act quickly. We need to slow the rate of transmission so we don’t have a quick peak in cases. If we can ‘flatten the curve’, our infrastructure maybe able to handle this crisis. The only way is public health measures... stay home. Cancel the basketball games, concerts, group gatherings. Follow social isolation, limit travel. Absolutely follow any quarantine. Wash your hands. Push our government to get more testing and masks, right now! If we can’t mitigate the cases and slow the surge, in one month we will need the National Guard setting up temporary hospital beds in Pershing.

This is what everyone needs to understand. The coronavirus is ~10X more lethal than the flu. We don't have a vaccine for it yet. We also don't have the facilities to care for the huge numbers of people that will require hospitalization if we don't contain the spread of this new virus.

 

[RiLLLLLLLLey]

She's a Doctor. Hospital she works in is trying to deal with the full panic mode going on in our society.

Staff around the area are very upset with the media. UNMC docs are as well.

Best thing she heard from a regional specialist was this:

"The best way to get rid of the virus is to have the media shut up about it for two weeks."

It's amazing the differences between this and the swine flu response. Wonder why...

Interesting. My lady manages multiple healthcare clinics. They're all terrified.

 

[tpmcg]

has anyone tried astronaut diapers? asking for a friend...

 

[tarheelhusker]

has anyone tried astronaut diapers? asking for a friend...

Just wait the astronauts return from space complete with pathogens unknown to man.

 

[Sinomatic]

That's all fine and dandy....BUT WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO WIPE MY ASS WITH????

I have a baby at home...what am I supposed to wipe her ass with? All these 40 year old jerks keep fist fighting over the last box of wipes my baby needs....

I wish people would get figurative paper for the figurative pants shitting they are doing and leave the baby wipes for the real babies.

 

[inWV]

i could give two shits about the media. I’m listening to Fauci and other disease specialists. If we’re lucky, these measures will tamp down infections to manageable levels.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Right, but the panic part are the differences. I believe it was mers that was extremely deadly, and all three have a higher mortality rate compared to common flu.
But again, the other two weren't near as infectious as this one is.

There's other differences of course, but if this were as deadly as mers, we'd be in deep trouble.
The swine flu was bad too, but we didn't have this reaction.

I still believe it's good practice for down the road, and we found out here, regulations and testing the tests themselves, which originally showed too many false positives, we need to get better, and be better prepared.

I remember my parents telling me they never learned to swim until later, because of polio, we haven't faced restrictions in our lives, and some overreact because now we do.

Are we really seeing panic though? Sure, people are clearing out grocery stores. They are preparing accordingly, which is actually good to see. It means they are staying home.

We aren't seeing people fighting over food, or fighting over supplies. Actually, I could see this bringing people together to a degree, because we understand this is a community effort of 'flattening the curve.' We are now responsible for each other's health.

 

[barney44]

Here's is my question for you...do you think the media is making up statistics on this virus? Where do you think the statistics are coming from? The only statistics I've seen have come directly from clinical experts or data. I understand that there may be differences of opinion in the medical community, but this horsecrap of the media making this worse is exactly that...horsecrap.

And where does this mantra of the media hyping this come from? Who is trying to make the media look like the Antichrist? Let's think about this. What source has continually downplayed this virus? What source has the most to lose from a pandemic overtaking the United States? What source has the most to lose if the economy tanks? What source has the most to lose in the 2020 election if this source looks like he dropped the ball? There's your answer.

Who has the most to gain? Lets not act as if the media is some fair middle man here becuse they’re far from it. It’s good that they report statistics here but they’re not just reporting the numbers, they want you to blame Trump..

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

IF you are deficient in Zinc or Vitamin C yes supplementation within reason might improve your immune function. That is not a cure. That's just trying to insure good health with NORMAL dietary consumption of vitamins and minerals. Last time I checked Big Macs are a little low in both vitamin C and Zn.

No, these show promise in increasing zinc levels above "normal" levels. These are not supplements, you should know that. And of course with RNA viruses there are no cures...a vaccine might only be 30-60% effective, antivirals are not 100% effective and have serious limits so an Ionophore right now is as good as a partially effective antiviral. If people are low in zinc they take supplements, but most people do not need to. All people, especially those who are struggling to fight off the virus can benefit from the ionophore, especially the hydroxychloroquine. You really should read the studies that are coming out of South Korea instead of just pure fear mongering.

 

[Catch50]

Yeah political ones

Incorrect. Let me state it clearly...

Media bashers deserve zero respect.

 

[Solana Beach Husker]

There are exceptions,like the spanish flu, in spring, not too bad, but come fall, sometimes killed within hours.

The spring version was as deadly as the coronavirus, completely derailed the German offensive of that spring and summer...passed through millions of people and then mutated by the fall. Lets hope the same thing doesn't happen here. This is the #1 reason to limit infections, this thing has already mutated from an S(mild) version to the L(more aggressive) version. And I am embarrassed that europe and America have done so little to track the genetic movement of this virus.

 

[NorthWillRiseAgain]

I told my wife this morning it’s almost like we got nuked by the Russian and now we’re dealing with the nuclear fallout is what the media is acting like, we’re all going to die the sky is falling. Guess what I still have to go to work every day, so do a lot other people, if I get it I get get but I’m sure as hell not going to let it control my life. A WW2 GI made a comment he said if the bullet has your name on it there’s nothing you can do about it, but it’s the one that’s has to who it may concern that’s the one you need to worry about. Same as this if it has my name on it I’m going to get it

I mean, you could do your part to make sure you aren’t writing someone else’s name on a bullet.

 

[RedMyMind]

I'll see if anything has changed once she get's home tonight.

Just talked to her.
Yeah, they on lock down.