What if Frost said no?

[Truehuskerfan]

Forgive me if this has been raised before, because I haven't read all of the discussions about the pros and cons of Scott Frost. But it seems to me this is not talked about enough. There seems to be an assumption that the only question is whether we should hire him or not. It seems like most people aren't asking the question of whether he actually he wants to come here.

I have felt for a long time that it is far from certain that he would agree to come back. That is where a good portion of my opposition to him comes from-I have questions about his fitness for the job, but I am much more concerned that too many people are throwing all of their eggs into that basket. It seems to me that Scott Frost is seen by those people not only as the savior of Nebraska football, but as the only possible savior of Nebraska football. And if that's your viewpoint, then where does that put you if he says no? Does that just completely shatter your view of the future of the program? This program is so much better than to have one person and one person only who can save it. Yet that's what I think too many people seem to be thinking and I think it could lead us down a bad path.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Impossible.

 

[WHCSC]

Kicked out of Husker Nation

 

[ZaneHickey]

Forgive me if this has been raised before, because I haven't read all of the discussions about the pros and cons of Scott Frost. But it seems to me this is not talked about enough. There seems to be an assumption that the only question is whether we should hire him or not. It seems like most people aren't asking the question of whether he actually he wants to come here.

I have felt for a long time that it is far from certain that he would agree to come back. That is where a good portion of my opposition to him comes from-I have questions about his fitness for the job, but I am much more concerned that too many people are throwing all of their eggs into that basket. It seems to me that Scott Frost is seen by those people not only as the savior of Nebraska football, but as the only possible savior of Nebraska football. And if that's your viewpoint, then where does that put you if he says no? Does that just completely shatter your view of the future of the program? This program is so much better than to have one person and one person only who can save it. Yet that's what I think too many people seem to be thinking and I think it could lead us down a bad path.

Blasphemer!

 

[maplesyrup95]

I've had this same conversation in the past week with tons of fans. My gut says he comes home. If he says no, we need to go young.

 

[inWV]

Scott Frost may look at the program the way that many coaches do. A job with outsized expectations that might take some consistent success in recruiting to meet fan expectations. A place where good coaches are run off. Fishbowl city. A place where your career may take a turn for the worse. Why not stay where it's warm and the recruits are just up or down the road a piece.
Having said that, I doubt he feels that way, and if he does have any of those sentiments, he best stay away.

 

[jlb321]

Then we never asked and you get Turner Gill on the line

 

[jflores]

I've entertained the idea that Frost for whatever reason would find better options elsewhere, particularly for the system he runs.

But I generally feel in my heart the same thing that dumb Florida writer said ..."when Mama come's callin' you go home".

If we wanted him we'd make it worth his while and whatever disadvantages he has here, he probably has a longer leash than he'd get elsewhere.

I generally believe Husker nation can't fathom the thought of Frost failing. It'd be like finding out Jesus was a carnival barker/street magician. He's going to get every opportunity to prove himself.

 

[hddude55]

I posted Mike Norvell's name in a thread a few days ago remembering him from his boy wonder OC days across town at ASU. They kept upping his salary and title to keep him from leaving but he finally did take the HC job at Memphis last year. He has already done well at Memphis. They beat then 25th ranked UCLA a couple weeks ago and were in a bowl last year. He's in his mid 30s, which might seem young, but check out his resume. He also has the cool dude image, which would be good for recruiting.

His team plays Frost's this week, I think. It might be fun to watch the game and see what you think of their respective schemes, discipline etc. If Frost says no, there will be good options including this guy, I would think. I'm not his agent but wish he had been ASU's head coach instead of the used car salesman, Todd Graham. If they fire Graham, I'd bet he'd be on ASU's short list.

 

[chicolby]

If he says no, you go to the next candidate on your list. I don't mean to dismiss your premise or question about what does this do for the program, but in reality one guy does not make or break 100 years of an identity and a common goal.

I believe IF he's offered that he will come but IF he doesn't, then it's just not a fit and we move on.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

Forgive me if this has been raised before, because I haven't read all of the discussions about the pros and cons of Scott Frost. But it seems to me this is not talked about enough. There seems to be an assumption that the only question is whether we should hire him or not. It seems like most people aren't asking the question of whether he actually he wants to come here.

I have felt for a long time that it is far from certain that he would agree to come back. That is where a good portion of my opposition to him comes from-I have questions about his fitness for the job, but I am much more concerned that too many people are throwing all of their eggs into that basket. It seems to me that Scott Frost is seen by those people not only as the savior of Nebraska football, but as the only possible savior of Nebraska football. And if that's your viewpoint, then where does that put you if he says no? Does that just completely shatter your view of the future of the program? This program is so much better than to have one person and one person only who can save it. Yet that's what I think too many people seem to be thinking and I think it could lead us down a bad path.

You are attacking a straw man. I think very few people view Frost as the only possible savior for Husker football. I am in favor of hiring him (and yes I think he would take it), but I do not view him as some kind of singular savior. I just happen to think he is an excellent coach. Are there other good coaches out there? Of course. But I think it far more unlikely that one of them would want this job.

If Tuco is right, and I think he is, Riley was not Eichorst's first choice. His first, and maybe even second, choice said no. Pederson had the same problem. This job isn't as attractive as it once was.

We should all hope Riley turns this around and there is no need to fire him. Because I really do think our choices are limited.

But if we do fire him I think Frost is our best hope to land a quality, up and coming, young coach who truly wants to be here, views Nebraska as a destination job, and would probably take it.

It has the added benefit that it would be a wildly popular choice with the fan base. I remember when Riley was hired you could hear a collective groan from the entire State. Riley who? What? A failed Oregon State old dude? WTF??

 

[jlb321]

Posted in another thread but will repost - I suspect the answers would be no but you might at least be able to stir the pot at a couple of other divisional rivals in the process

IF a change is to be made .... I would reach out to 1st Chryst then Brohm with a $5 million dollar offer

both run an offense that can work with our personnel

both will not come but at least I would force bothWisconsin and Purdue to pony up more money than they want to keep them and possibly have to divert funds from other football related objectives. Might also sew some seeds of resentment if their current programs won't match the offer. Alvarez attended the TO school of penny pinching

I also put a feeler out to Richt -- 99% chance it is a no
but just like Lincoln, NE isn't for everyone the same can be said for Miami, Florida. I don't think the Neb job is better than Miami but the facilities are better. Again long shot and I would expect a no.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

IF a change is made, and IF Frost is offered and says no. You cannot deny it would be a black mark. It would be similar to Tom Osborne saying he doesn't want to be involved in the selection search.

 

[Truehuskerfan]

If he says no, you go to the next candidate on your list. I don't mean to dismiss your premise or question about what does this do for the program, but in reality one guy does not make or break 100 years of an identity and a common goal.

Of course-that's my whole point. I don't for a moment think it would be a disaster for the program, but I think a lot of people would. "A Nebraska guy turned us down? Wow-how far have we fallen that even a Nebraska guy turns us down?" That's what I think a lot of people would feel.

 

[jflores]

You are attacking a straw man. I think very few people view Frost as the only possible savior for Husker football. I am in favor of hiring him (and yes I think he would take it), but I do not view him as some kind of singular savior. I just happen to think he is an excellent coach. Are there other good coaches out there? Of course. But I think it far more unlikely that one of them would want this job.

If Tuco is right, and I think he is, Riley was not Eichorst's first choice. His first, and maybe even second, choice said no. Pederson had the same problem. This job isn't as attractive as it once was.

We should all hope Riley turns this around and there is no need to fire him. Because I really do think our choices are limited.

But if we do fire him I think Frost is our best hope to land a quality, up and coming, young coach who truly wants to be here, views Nebraska as a destination job, and would probably take it.

It has the added benefit that it would be a wildly popular choice with the fan base. I remember when Riley was hired you could hear a collective groan from the entire State. Riley who? What? A failed Oregon State old dude? WTF??

Like it or not...our choices *are* quite limited.

The only proven coach (proven at the level NU wants) really on the job market is Chip Kelly and Les Miles. We're not going Miles IMO, and Chip Kelly I think its fair to say that his personality/culture isn't going to fit here, nor is he a long term type of hire.

There are a few other guys in the pipe dream category, the Stoops, Gruden, Peterson carousel. One of those guys could potentially come, but we would have to admit to ourselves that 99/100 times they probably will say no even before they consider the prestige of the job. Stoops is likely done done, Gruden as well, and Peterson pretty happy running a power school in NW.

The one "realistic" kinda proven candidate is Mullen.

So that leaves a bunch of "young guys". Of which, if you have to hire "young and pretty unproven", I'd say Frost being a former Husker is a pretty big tie breaker and some folks nationally think he might be the best of the bunch anyway.

I think its basically Frost or bust, myself given the administration/fanbase desires and just the reality of not moving some pipe dream like Cowher here.

 

[Pennsyhusker]

Like it or not...our choices *are* quite limited.

The only proven coach (proven at the level NU wants) really on the job market is Chip Kelly and Les Miles. We're not going Miles IMO, and Chip Kelly I think its fair to say that his personality/culture isn't going to fit here, nor is he a long term type of hire.

There are a few other guys in the pipe dream category, the Stoops, Gruden, Peterson carousel. One of those guys could potentially come, but we would have to admit to ourselves that 99/100 times they probably will say no even before they consider the prestige of the job. Stoops is likely done done, Gruden as well, and Peterson pretty happy running a power school in NW.

The one "realistic" kinda proven candidate is Mullen.

So that leaves a bunch of "young guys". Of which, if you have to hire "young and pretty unproven", I'd say Frost being a former Husker is a pretty big tie breaker and some folks nationally think he might be the best of the bunch anyway.

I think its basically Frost or bust, myself given the administration/fanbase desires and just the reality of not moving some pipe dream like Cowher here.

My thoughts too. I don't agree that it is Scott Frost or bust, but I do think he is our best option given our choices.

 

[jflores]

Posted in another thread but will repost - I suspect the answers would be no but you might at least be able to stir the pot at a couple of other divisional rivals in the process

IF a change is to be made .... I would reach out to 1st Chryst then Brohm with a $5 million dollar offer

both run an offense that can work with our personnel

both will not come but at least I would force bothWisconsin and Purdue to pony up more money than they want to keep them and possibly have to divert funds from other football related objectives. Might also sew some seeds of resentment if their current programs won't match the offer. Alvarez attended the TO school of penny pinching

I also put a feeler out to Richt -- 99% chance it is a no
but just like Lincoln, NE isn't for everyone the same can be said for Miami, Florida. I don't think the Neb job is better than Miami but the facilities are better. Again long shot and I would expect a no.

Riley has almost beaten Wisconsin twice. I don't think NU needs to go deep in the AD/HC psych games to win its share of games there.

I'd rather just talk to coaches who are realistic candidates instead of just poking folks on Facebook.

 

[N-sane]

Call Matt Turman... ex-husker QB that coaches, from the 90's even.

 

[jlb321]

Riley has almost beaten Wisconsin twice. I don't think NU needs to go deep in the AD/HC psych games to win its share of games there.

I'd rather just talk to coaches who are realistic candidates instead of just poking folks on Facebook.

I would be ok with either Chryst or Brohm

 

[jimbosc]

The guy from VA Tech (Fuente) would be a good fit here and he turned Memphis around quick. Not paid alot at Tech - SEC is sniffing around him big time right now. Nebraska should back up the Brinks truck.

 

[StrongArm517]

My gut is telling me that the movement is in motion to get Frost. Someone, or maybe several influential people are seeing this as the year to get him or forever hold your peace. I think they are willing to pull a Michigan/Harbaugh. Michigan boosters were not going to take no for an answer for a dude that had blasted Michigan academics while at Stanford.
Sometimes you make an offer they can't refuse.

 

[newAD]

Like it or not...our choices *are* quite limited.

The only proven coach (proven at the level NU wants) really on the job market is Chip Kelly and Les Miles. We're not going Miles IMO, and Chip Kelly I think its fair to say that his personality/culture isn't going to fit here, nor is he a long term type of hire.

There are a few other guys in the pipe dream category, the Stoops, Gruden, Peterson carousel. One of those guys could potentially come, but we would have to admit to ourselves that 99/100 times they probably will say no even before they consider the prestige of the job. Stoops is likely done done, Gruden as well, and Peterson pretty happy running a power school in NW.

The one "realistic" kinda proven candidate is Mullen.

So that leaves a bunch of "young guys". Of which, if you have to hire "young and pretty unproven", I'd say Frost being a former Husker is a pretty big tie breaker and some folks nationally think he might be the best of the bunch anyway.

I think its basically Frost or bust, myself given the administration/fanbase desires and just the reality of not moving some pipe dream like Cowher here.

Petersen turned Eichorst down in 2013.

 

[petmj1]

Then we never asked and you get Turner Gill on the line

Puzzling to me why Turner Gill's name does not come up more often? Never really given a chance at Kansas....what 2 years? I think he would succeed here.

 

[swissticuffs]

There is a good chance he will say no this year.... the timing is horrible.

 

[jflores]

Petersen turned Eichorst down in 2013.

Yah I know.

His youngest son either graduates this year, or did last year. That would be enough to bring his name back up, although I don't think he did it soley for the kid.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Of course-that's my whole point. I don't for a moment think it would be a disaster for the program, but I think a lot of people would. "A Nebraska guy turned us down? Wow-how far have we fallen that even a Nebraska guy turns us down?" That's what I think a lot of people would feel.

I could see that being the case. I don't think he will take it and I am not sold that they will even offer him.

 

[jimbosc]

The circumstances around WHY Gill failed at Kansas were largely in his control. He will never be a head coach at a Power 5 school - when you put personal ideals ahead of coaching, game prep, etc.....you ain't gonna last long vs. the big boys. Liberty is a great place for Gill - leave him there to enjoy it.

 

[jimbosc]

I am not opposed to Frost - I think it could work - but it is as big a chance as the Pelini hire. Frost is less likely to embarrass the University - which is good. Less certainty he can be great than some other hires for head coach.

 

[headcard]

There is a good chance he will say no this year.... the timing is horrible.

Why do you say that? About the timing.

 

[Toms Wife]

Forgive me if this has been raised before, because I haven't read all of the discussions about the pros and cons of Scott Frost. But it seems to me this is not talked about enough. There seems to be an assumption that the only question is whether we should hire him or not. It seems like most people aren't asking the question of whether he actually he wants to come here.

I have felt for a long time that it is far from certain that he would agree to come back. That is where a good portion of my opposition to him comes from-I have questions about his fitness for the job, but I am much more concerned that too many people are throwing all of their eggs into that basket. It seems to me that Scott Frost is seen by those people not only as the savior of Nebraska football, but as the only possible savior of Nebraska football. And if that's your viewpoint, then where does that put you if he says no? Does that just completely shatter your view of the future of the program? This program is so much better than to have one person and one person only who can save it. Yet that's what I think too many people seem to be thinking and I think it could lead us down a bad path.

I'm guessing the AD will know about Frost before Riley would ever be let go. Our "people" would talk to his "people" and see what the possibility of him coming if there "just happened to be an opening." Say Riley wins six or seven games. If Frost wants to come we go ahead and move on it. If he doesn't we might not move.

In that case you can still get bit. 2003 and a guy with a fairly large mustache comes to mind.

 

[swissticuffs]

Why do you say that? About the timing.

People have blinders on about the situation around here..... it's pretty damn rough right now and there won't be any quick fixes. Also, he doesn't owe this school anything.

He is just getting going at UCF... if he puts together a few good years he could get almost any job he wants.

 

[Sooner_or_Later]

 

[huskerssalts]

Forgive me if this has been raised before, because I haven't read all of the discussions about the pros and cons of Scott Frost. But it seems to me this is not talked about enough. There seems to be an assumption that the only question is whether we should hire him or not. It seems like most people aren't asking the question of whether he actually he wants to come here.

I have felt for a long time that it is far from certain that he would agree to come back. That is where a good portion of my opposition to him comes from-I have questions about his fitness for the job, but I am much more concerned that too many people are throwing all of their eggs into that basket. It seems to me that Scott Frost is seen by those people not only as the savior of Nebraska football, but as the only possible savior of Nebraska football. And if that's your viewpoint, then where does that put you if he says no? Does that just completely shatter your view of the future of the program? This program is so much better than to have one person and one person only who can save it. Yet that's what I think too many people seem to be thinking and I think it could lead us down a bad path.

Well for that case alone, it’s a good dam thing we are not looking for a head coach right now. But we are looking for a AD, so there is that.

 

[cubsker]

having TO involved makes me think he'll come

 

[c2o]

He will not say no.

 

[The_Man_Behind_The_Man]

If and this is truly an IF that Mike Riley is no longer the man and Scott Frost says: 'No', then I guess we settle with Nick Saban.

 

[StrongArm517]

We will make him an offer he can't refuse

 

[The_Man_Behind_The_Man]

We will make him an offer he can't refuse

Exactly! Got a problem? Just rub a little money on it!

 

[WHCSC]

How about Riley to AD and Frost to HC?

 

[regoratsginrom]

Puzzling to me why Turner Gill's name does not come up more often? Never really given a chance at Kansas....what 2 years? I think he would succeed here.

The reason he wasn't given a chance at Kansas went beyond the Wins and Losses. He tried to implement the most ridiculous "rules" about curfews and cellphones and girls, etc. and then turned around and had zero discipline at all when it came to drug use and going to class. After he was fired, KU had to practically gut their roster from all the kids who were either academically ineligible or complete wastes of time. He's where he needs to be at Liberty.