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So let me be transparent. I think Frost needs to go. I also thought Frost was the home run hire we needed to bring Nebraska back to the promised land. I was ALL IN on Frost. Everything he touched turned to gold in my eyes back then. Hearing that Florida allegedly thought he wasn't ready to be a HC sounded like sour grapes because they missed out.

Now I can look back at Frost's resume and see some red flags. I can see that 2 years is a very small sample size to predict future success. I can see that his staff had a LOT of questions around it.

But I still can't quite figure it out. What happened that we didn't see? What was there that we missed?

I remember learning that Frost took over a winless program. "Holy shit" I thought. The man is a miracle worker.

But then I see that 2 years before that winless season, UCF went 12-1 and won in the Fiesta Bowl.

Did that winless team, as crazy as it sounds, have a ton of talent compared to teams in it's conference? Was that winless team the ultimate example of losing a team? Would Frost have been able to turn it around if he walked into a situation where there had been 4 losing seasons?

Anyone have thoughts on this?

I remember still being all in on Frost when he said he was bringing his staff to Nebraska but wondered if that was the best idea. It is hard to fault people for loyalty. But loyalty to a fault has bitten Nebraska in the ass time after time.
 
Mystery Big Red Man said:
So let me be transparent. I think Frost needs to go. I also thought Frost was the home run hire we needed to bring Nebraska back to the promised land. I was ALL IN on Frost. Everything he touched turned to gold in my eyes back then. Hearing that Florida allegedly thought he wasn't ready to be a HC sounded like sour grapes because they missed out.

Now I can look back at Frost's resume and see some red flags. I can see that 2 years is a very small sample size to predict future success. I can see that his staff had a LOT of questions around it.

But I still can't quite figure it out. What happened that we didn't see? What was there that we missed?

I remember learning that Frost took over a winless program. "Holy shit" I thought. The man is a miracle worker.

But then I see that 2 years before that winless season, UCF went 12-1 and won in the Fiesta Bowl.

Did that winless team, as crazy as it sounds, have a ton of talent compared to teams in it's conference? Was that winless team the ultimate example of losing a team? Would Frost have been able to turn it around if he walked into a situation where there had been 4 losing seasons?

Anyone have thoughts on this?

I remember still being all in on Frost when he said he was bringing his staff to Nebraska but wondered if that was the best idea. It is hard to fault people for loyalty. But loyalty to a fault has bitten Nebraska in the ass time after time.
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How much of that team was recruited and developed by Frost and his staff?
 
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I know some may disagree, but it is clear to me that Frost does have a very bright offensive mind. Nebraska is currently ranked #12 in total offense, without superior talent and against a tough schedule. We struggle in the red zone, with TO’s, etc, but it’s clear Frost can out scheme people. At UCF he had superior offensive talent (especially at the skill positions) and a generational QB. AAC defenses didn’t have a chance.
 
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Frost did good with a team that had a lot of talent and played weak competition. When he came to Nebraska, the cupboards were bare and has to play a much more brutal schedule.
 
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I know some may disagree, but it is clear to me that Frost does have a very bright offensive mind. Nebraska is currently ranked #12 in total offense, without superior talent and against a tough schedule. We struggle in the red zone, with TO’s, etc, but it’s clear Frost can out scheme people. At UCF he had superior offensive talent (especially at the skill positions) and a generational QB. AAC defenses didn’t have a chance.
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This. Also, did Frost have to deal with the redzone while at UCF? Maybe they did just as often as now, but if their scores were mostly big plays then we never got to really see his redzone offense.

Not that that would have mattered when hiring him, but something I was just curious about.
 
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Mystery Big Red Man said:
So let me be transparent. I think Frost needs to go. I also thought Frost was the home run hire we needed to bring Nebraska back to the promised land. I was ALL IN on Frost. Everything he touched turned to gold in my eyes back then. Hearing that Florida allegedly thought he wasn't ready to be a HC sounded like sour grapes because they missed out.

Now I can look back at Frost's resume and see some red flags. I can see that 2 years is a very small sample size to predict future success. I can see that his staff had a LOT of questions around it.

But I still can't quite figure it out. What happened that we didn't see? What was there that we missed?

I remember learning that Frost took over a winless program. "Holy shit" I thought. The man is a miracle worker.

But then I see that 2 years before that winless season, UCF went 12-1 and won in the Fiesta Bowl.

Did that winless team, as crazy as it sounds, have a ton of talent compared to teams in it's conference? Was that winless team the ultimate example of losing a team? Would Frost have been able to turn it around if he walked into a situation where there had been 4 losing seasons?

Anyone have thoughts on this?

I remember still being all in on Frost when he said he was bringing his staff to Nebraska but wondered if that was the best idea. It is hard to fault people for loyalty. But loyalty to a fault has bitten Nebraska in the ass time after time.
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This will be the most exhaustive list and everything will be on here a lot has already been mentioned already including new things and the number 1 reason SF Failed:

1. He had the most talent of any of the teams by far in the AAC, including at the QB spot. Having the most talent erases coaching mistakes or makes them less obvious. He and his staffs coaching issues were masked better because he had the most talent in the league along w the best qb in the league.

2. His teams were always highly penalized and undisciplined at UCF, but having superior players masked that. But if you watched their games you would see the false starts, the procedure penalties etc, but the eraser Milton would still get the first downs either by running or passing them to success.

3. He didnt turn down the FLA job, FLA turned him down cuz they wanted him to make upgrades on the coaching staff and not have the whole AAC level staff coaching at FLA. He refused, so they didnt offer him the job... This leads us into the biggest issue with Frost as to why he failed at NU

4. The number one reason SF failed at NU is because he brought his whole AAC level staff with him. He basically brought a bunch of green coaches with very little P5 experience and B10 experience as well.
Besides the lack of experience at the P5 level, he basically put a target on his and NUs back by announcing to the other coaches in the league that 'I think I can take an AAC level staff, and beat you guys over here in the B10"...I mean that was essentially what he was saying by not making any coaching upgrades..he insulted every single coaching staff in the conference by bringing over an AAC level staff. This put a big target on his and NUs back right out of the gate.

On top of that, he had made some disparaging comments about the B10 "They better get us now, cuz by year 2 or 3 we are going to be awesome" or he made disparaging comments towards individual coaches ON TOP of insulting them by bringing over an AAC level staff.
This made that target on the back even bigger.

5. He failed to make better coaching hires after year 2 when replacing coaches, he didnt replace coaches after year 3 when it was obvious a few coaches needed to be upgraded.

6. NU was caught between a rock and a hard place at least Bill Moos was, the fans were screaming and clamoring for Frost to be hired, and if Moos had suggested to Frost (Like what Florida did) "Hey can you make some upgrades to your staff before we offer you the job"? and Frost bailed, Moos would have been a dead man walking. There is NO WAY Moos could have demanded Frost change coaches cuz if Frost walked, then Mooses head would have been on a pike and the villagers would be dancing around a fire..demanding his job..

Moos had no leverage, it was Frost or bust..So Moos had to cave in to Scott Frosts ludicrous (never been done before in the history of the sport) demand to bring his WHOLE AAC lower level staff to NU without making any coaching upgrades.
NU's death spiral was signed the day SF brought over his new staff.

Honestly though? It is actually kinda good that SF did bring his whole AAC level staff over, cuz had he upgraded coaches, he probably wins enough over the last 4 years to get more time, and in all honesty there is not really anything that convinces me (better coaching staff or not) that Scott Frost is a very good, or even a really good coach at the P5 level. He does too many things wrong, or not at a high enough level that good coaches at the P5 level do.. So it may have been a blessing In disguise for us..
 
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Boiler_B said:
This will be the most exhaustive list and everything will be on here a lot has already been mentioned already including new things and the number 1 reason SF Failed:

1. He had the most talent of any of the teams by far in the AAC, including at the QB spot. Having the most talent erases coaching mistakes or makes them less obvious. His and his staffs coaching issues were masked better because he had the most talent in the league.

2. His teams were always highly penalized and undisciplined at UCF, but having superior players masked that. But if you watched their games you would see the false starts, the procedure penalties etc, but the eraser Milton would still get the first downs either by running or passing them to success.

3. He didnt turn down the FLA job, FLA turned him down cuz they wanted him to make upgrades on the coaching staff and not have the whole AAC level staff coaching at FLA. He refused, so they didnt offer him the job... This leads us into the biggest issue with Frost as to why he failed at NU

4. The number one reason SF failed at NU is because He brought his whole AAC level staff with him. He basically brought a bunch of green coaches with very little P5 experience and B10 experience as well.
Besides the lack of experience at the P5 level, he basically put a target on his and NUs back by announces to the other coaches in the league that 'I think I can take an AAC level staff, and beat you guys over here in the B10"...I mean that was essentially what he was saying by not making any coaching upgrades..he insulted every single coaching staff in the conference by bringing over an AAC level staff.

On top of that, he had made some disparaging comments about the B10 "They better get us now, cuz by year 2 or 3 we are going to be awesome" or he made disparaging comments towards individual coaches ON TOP of insulting them by bringing over an AAC level staff.

5. He failed to make better coaching hires after year 2 when replacing coaches, he didnt replace coaches after year 3 when it was obvious a few coaches needed to be upgraded.

6. NU was caught between a rock and a hard place at least Bill Moos was, the fans were screaming and clamoring for Frost to be hired, and if Moos had suggested to Frost (Like what Florida did) "Hey can you make some upgrades to your staff before we offer you the job"? and Frost bailed, Moos would have been a dead man walking. There is NO WAY Moos could have demanded Frost change coaches cuz if Frost walked, then Mooses head would have been on a pike and the villagers would be dancing around a fire..demanding his job..

Moos had no leverage, it was Frost or bust..So Moos had to cave in to Scot Frosts ludicrous (never been done before in the history of the sport) demand to bring his WHOLE AAC lower level staff to NU without making any coaching upgrades.
NU's death spiral was signed the day SF brought over his new staff.

Hoestly though? It is actually kinda good that SF did bring his whole AAC level staff over, cuz had he upgraded coaches, he probably wins enough over the last 4 years to get more time, and in all honesty there is not really anything that convinces me (better coaching staff or not) that Scott Frost is a very good, or even a good coach at the P5 level. He does too many things wrong, or not at a high enough level that good coaches at the P5 level do..
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You are correct on 100% of your post.
 
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Boiler_B said:
This will be the most exhaustive list and everything will be on here a lot has already been mentioned already including new things and the number 1 reason SF Failed:

1. He had the most talent of any of the teams by far in the AAC, including at the QB spot. Having the most talent erases coaching mistakes or makes them less obvious. He and his staffs coaching issues were masked better because he had the most talent in the league along w the best qb in the league.

2. His teams were always highly penalized and undisciplined at UCF, but having superior players masked that. But if you watched their games you would see the false starts, the procedure penalties etc, but the eraser Milton would still get the first downs either by running or passing them to success.

3. He didnt turn down the FLA job, FLA turned him down cuz they wanted him to make upgrades on the coaching staff and not have the whole AAC level staff coaching at FLA. He refused, so they didnt offer him the job... This leads us into the biggest issue with Frost as to why he failed at NU

4. The number one reason SF failed at NU is because he brought his whole AAC level staff with him. He basically brought a bunch of green coaches with very little P5 experience and B10 experience as well.
Besides the lack of experience at the P5 level, he basically put a target on his and NUs back by announcing to the other coaches in the league that 'I think I can take an AAC level staff, and beat you guys over here in the B10"...I mean that was essentially what he was saying by not making any coaching upgrades..he insulted every single coaching staff in the conference by bringing over an AAC level staff. This put a big target on his and NUs back right out of the gate.

On top of that, he had made some disparaging comments about the B10 "They better get us now, cuz by year 2 or 3 we are going to be awesome" or he made disparaging comments towards individual coaches ON TOP of insulting them by bringing over an AAC level staff.
This made that target on the back even bigger.

5. He failed to make better coaching hires after year 2 when replacing coaches, he didnt replace coaches after year 3 when it was obvious a few coaches needed to be upgraded.

6. NU was caught between a rock and a hard place at least Bill Moos was, the fans were screaming and clamoring for Frost to be hired, and if Moos had suggested to Frost (Like what Florida did) "Hey can you make some upgrades to your staff before we offer you the job"? and Frost bailed, Moos would have been a dead man walking. There is NO WAY Moos could have demanded Frost change coaches cuz if Frost walked, then Mooses head would have been on a pike and the villagers would be dancing around a fire..demanding his job..

Moos had no leverage, it was Frost or bust..So Moos had to cave in to Scott Frosts ludicrous (never been done before in the history of the sport) demand to bring his WHOLE AAC lower level staff to NU without making any coaching upgrades.
NU's death spiral was signed the day SF brought over his new staff.

Honestly though? It is actually kinda good that SF did bring his whole AAC level staff over, cuz had he upgraded coaches, he probably wins enough over the last 4 years to get more time, and in all honesty there is not really anything that convinces me (better coaching staff or not) that Scott Frost is a very good, or even a really good coach at the P5 level. He does too many things wrong, or not at a high enough level that good coaches at the P5 level do.. So it may have been a blessing In disguise for us..
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Negative.

He never even called them back. UF wanted him bad but they also knew getting him was not going to happen.
 
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headcard said:
I know some may disagree, but it is clear to me that Frost does have a very bright offensive mind. Nebraska is currently ranked #12 in total offense, without superior talent and against a tough schedule. We struggle in the red zone, with TO’s, etc, but it’s clear Frost can out scheme people. At UCF he had superior offensive talent (especially at the skill positions) and a generational QB. AAC defenses didn’t have a chance.
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This includes having a sub-par offensive line.

Whether it’s bad luck (e.g. injuries etc), recruiting busts, or struggles developing talent, I would say his roster management has not been very successful. With so much attrition over his first couple classes, and issues getting some talent to produce on the field, he hasn’t developed the roster he wants.

Inability to get Betts, Manning, and Martin on the field for a chunk of this year, some young guys on OL getting exposed, and a QB who struggles dropping back and making quick decisions, the offense isn’t at its full potential.

Then there’s special teams issues.
It’s still all coaching, but a few breaks along the way could have made things very different here.
 
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HominidHusker said:
This includes having a sub-par offensive line.

Whether it’s bad luck (e.g. injuries etc), recruiting busts, or struggles developing talent, I would say his roster management has not been very successful. With so much attrition over his first couple classes, and issues getting some talent to produce on the field, he hasn’t developed the roster he wants.

Inability to get Betts, Manning, and Martin on the field for a chunk of this year, some young guys on OL getting exposed, and a QB who struggles dropping back and making quick decisions, the offense isn’t at its full potential.

Then there’s special teams issues.
It’s still all coaching, but a few breaks along the way could have made things very different here.
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I agree with most of what you said, but the inability to get Betts, Manning and Martin on the field at the same time is kind of a slippery slope. We as fans know what we see on Gameday and I agree it sucks when you see people perform on gameday but then not getting the playing time, but you also have to make practice matter.

I think Frost may have a deficiency getting these kids motivated in practice and he needs to work on that, but its hard as a coach to put kids out there that might dog it a little in practice. I agree that sometimes you have to turn a blind eye to it, but that also opens you up to letting anyone do it which then can hurt your team. Somehow he needs to get them to play to their potential in practice to leave no doubt and he seems like he isn't getting that done or his assistants over the WR are not getting that done because no way Liewer should be beating out any of those guys.
 
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SuperBigFan said:
Negative.

He never even called them back. UF wanted him bad but they also knew getting him was not going to happen.
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Talk about spin city here ^^^^^

FLA would NOT allow Frost to bring his whole staff from UCF. They were the ones that drew the line in the sand. If they wanted him as bad as u say...wouldn't they have waved that stipulation?

Of course they would have..

So they didn't want him bad enough to where they would allow him to bring his entire lower level staff over.

Nice attempt at spin though...
 
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Boiler_B said:
Talk about spin^^^^^

FLA would NOT allow Frost to bring his whole staff from UCF. They were the ones that drew the line in the sand. If they wanted him as bad as u say...wouldn't they have waved that stipulation?

Of course they would have..

So they didn't want him bad enough to where they would allow him to bring his entire lower level staff over.

Nice attempt at a spin job though...
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It is not a spin.

They did not contact him in the first place because they DID NOT want him, that makes no sense at all.

And even if they did say that, what coach would want to work for an AD that is telling them who they can and can't hire.

It doesn't make any sense at all. Why would you want a guy to be your HC based on his past success only to tell him he can't bring the people that helped him get that success.

Just use common sense. The entire thing would make zero sense.

He never called them back, so they moved on.
 
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It is not a spin.

They did not contact him in the first place because they DID NOT want him, that makes no sense at all.

And even if they did say that, what coach would want to work for an AD that is telling them who they can and can't hire.

It doesn't make any sense at all. Why would you want a guy to be your HC based on his past success only to tell him he can't bring the people that helped him get that success.

Just use common sense. The entire thing would make zero sense.

He never called them back, so they moved on.
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None of us know what happened in the coaching search, but you have your head buried in the sand if you don't think AD's influence assistants. Part of the process is lining out who you plan on bringing and then if there is some disagreement, but the head coach is your guy you start reaching out to others and in some cases some of the current assistants may stay depending on the system.

In our search, we wanted Frost so bad that we caved to the pressure of him bringing everyone. In hindsight, yes it hasn't been awesome, but the defensive coaches (especially Chins) everyone hated, but they've turned out to be the best. Right now the Offense is #12 in the country in Total O. Yes we need some tweaks (especially the red-zone) but you can't be that high if you don't know how to coach.

Special Teams is a disaster and he just ****ed that up.
 
SuperBigFan said:
It is not a spin.

They did not contact him in the first place because they DID NOT want him, that makes no sense at all.

And even if they did say that, what coach would want to work for an AD that is telling them who they can and can't hire.

It doesn't make any sense at all. Why would you want a guy to be your HC based on his past success only to tell him he can't bring the people that helped him get that success.

Just use common sense. The entire thing would make zero sense.
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Ummm because no coach had EVER brought an entire lower level staff up to a bigger level of competition EVER before in history. No ADS or hiring agent ever had to "suggest" they upgrade coaches. Lol How do u not get this?

No coaches prior to Frost were that STUPID/arrogant to think they could compete with a bunch of Inexperienced coaches at a higher level of league against more experienced and P5 and B10, or SEC lvl coaches.

Frost was the first one to ever attempt it. It was covered in the news.

And YES FLA DID in FACT require SF to make upgrade hires for him to be considered for the job. This is a 100% fact we already know this to be true.

Here is the article it is from the mouth of Sean Beckton who said FLA wouldn't allow Frost to bring his entire staff there.

Nebraska assistant explains why Scott Frost said no to Florida

The new Nebraska coach apparently turned down the Gators for this reason.
www.saturdaydownsouth.com
 
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Ummm because no coach had EVER brought an entire lower level staff up to a bigger level of competition EVER before in history. No ADS or hiring agent ever had to "suggest" they upgrade coaches. Lol How do u not get this?

No coaches prior to Frost were that STUPID/arrogant to think they could compete with a bunch of Inexperienced coaches at a higher level of league against more experienced and P5 and B10, or SEC lvl coaches.

Frost was the first one to ever attempt it. It was covered in the news.

And YES FLA DID in FACT require SF to make upgrade hires for him to be considered for the job. This is a 100% fact we already know this to be true.
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Do you know why no coach has done that before? Because often times HC's want to get new guys (Frost did not) or a guy stays behind to be the HC of the team (Like Troy tried to do at UCF) or guys on the staff get hired away, because when you have success you get offers.

Florida wanted Frost, we know that. Frost did not want Florida, you know how we know that?


Because he is coaching at Nebraska.
 
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None of us know what happened in the coaching search, but you have your head buried in the sand if you don't think AD's influence assistants. Part of the process is lining out who you plan on bringing and then if there is some disagreement, but the head coach is your guy you start reaching out to others and in some cases some of the current assistants may stay depending on the system.

In our search, we wanted Frost so bad that we caved to the pressure of him bringing everyone. In hindsight, yes it hasn't been awesome, but the defensive coaches (especially Chins) everyone hated, but they've turned out to be the best. Right now the Offense is #12 in the country in Total O. Yes we need some tweaks (especially the red-zone) but you can't be that high if you don't know how to coach.

Special Teams is a disaster and he just ****ed that up.
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Here is how the influence works

AD: "So have you thought about your staff?"

Coach: "I have and if my entire staff wants to come, I am going to bring them"

AD: "Are you sure you don't want to take some time to look around and check out other guys?"

Coach: "I really trust the guys I have"

AD: "Okay, it is your staff and your call, I respect that"
 
Mystery Big Red Man said:
So let me be transparent. I think Frost needs to go. I also thought Frost was the home run hire we needed to bring Nebraska back to the promised land. I was ALL IN on Frost. Everything he touched turned to gold in my eyes back then. Hearing that Florida allegedly thought he wasn't ready to be a HC sounded like sour grapes because they missed out.

Now I can look back at Frost's resume and see some red flags. I can see that 2 years is a very small sample size to predict future success. I can see that his staff had a LOT of questions around it.

But I still can't quite figure it out. What happened that we didn't see? What was there that we missed?

I remember learning that Frost took over a winless program. "Holy shit" I thought. The man is a miracle worker.

But then I see that 2 years before that winless season, UCF went 12-1 and won in the Fiesta Bowl.

Did that winless team, as crazy as it sounds, have a ton of talent compared to teams in it's conference? Was that winless team the ultimate example of losing a team? Would Frost have been able to turn it around if he walked into a situation where there had been 4 losing seasons?

Anyone have thoughts on this?

I remember still being all in on Frost when he said he was bringing his staff to Nebraska but wondered if that was the best idea. It is hard to fault people for loyalty. But loyalty to a fault has bitten Nebraska in the ass time after time.
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What happened to Dan Hawkins at Boise St.?
What happened to Rich Rod at West Virginia?
What happened to Tom Herman at Houston?

Well, they all coached in easy lower leagues.
 
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SuperBigFan said:
Do you know why no coach has done that before? Because often times HC's want to get new guys (Frost did not) or a guy stays behind to be the HC of the team (Like Troy tried to do at UCF) or guys on the staff get hired away, because when you have success you get offers.

Florida wanted Frost, we know that. Frost did not want Florida, you know how we know that?


Because he is coaching at Nebraska.
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Did u not see the story I linked in my post?
FLA told Frost he couldn't bring his entire staff with him.. that is why he turned the FLA job down.

FLA drew a line in the sand and would NOT allow frost to bring his whole staff over. (Cuz they are not stupid or desperate).

So Frost did turn them down, but if FLA REALLY WANTED to have him, they would have waved that stipulation aNd allowed him to bring his entire staff with him.

They didn't, so he found that NU would be a sucker and allow his Frankenstein experiment to happen.
 
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SuperBigFan said:
Here is how the influence works

AD: "So have you thought about your staff?"

Coach: "I have and if my entire staff wants to come, I am going to bring them"

AD: "Are you sure you don't want to take some time to look around and check out other guys?"

Coach: "I really trust the guys I have"

AD: "Okay, it is your staff and your call, I respect that"
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At some schools that are desperate like NU, others not so much.
 
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Did u not see the story I linked in my post?
FLA told Frost he couldn't bring his entire staff with him.. that is why he turned the FLA job down.

FLA drew a line in the sand and would NOT allow frost to bring his whole staff over. (Cuz they are not stupid or desperate).

So Frost did turn them down, but if FLA REALLY WANTED to have him, they would have waved that stipulation aNd allowed him to bring his entire staff with him.

They didn't, so he found that NU would be a sucker and allow his Frankenstein experiment to happen.
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Yeah, I know that article. What is UF going to say? They have to cover their ass and spin it, just like we all would.

Once Frost turned them down (your words), they come up with the old "Yeah well, we didn't want him unless..." Totally the same thing we do as fans when we lose a recruit. It makes sense.

I 100% believe that UF said what they said, they just said it AFTER frost turned them down.
 
SuperBigFan said:
Yeah, I know that article. What is UF going to say? They have to cover their ass and spin it, just like we all would.

Once Frost turned them down (your words), they come up with the old "Yeah well, we didn't want him unless..." Totally the same thing we do as fans when we lose a recruit. It makes sense.

I 100% believe that UF said what they said, they just said it AFTER frost turned them down.
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WTF are u talking about? That wasn't a UF press release that was a coach on UCFs and Nebraskas staff that said this...

He would fooking know what went down..

Jesus Mary and joseph..just stop, u are wrong..
 
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WTF are u talking about? That wasn't a UF press release that was a coach on UCFs and Nebraskas staff that said this...

He would fooking know what went down..

Jesus Mary and joseph..just stop, u are wrong..
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I am right, you know it, everyone knows it.

Frost was their first choice, he turned them down. You even said it.

There is an article where the UF boosters said "Yeah, we didn't want him (after he blew them off) because he wanted to bring his staff)
 
Problem wasn’t the hire - he was the clear choice

the problem is refusing to now recognize he isn’t a good coach and holding on purely due to institutional nepotism.

coaching hires are a gamble no matter how “home run” of a hire you think you might have made.
 
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Problem wasn’t the hire - he was the clear choice

the problem is refusing to now recognize he isn’t a good coach and holding on purely due to institutional nepotism.

coaching hires are a gamble no matter how “home run” of a hire you think you might have made.
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Yep!

He was probably the first choice for 3-5 schools when NU got him and had he not gone to NU, there is no way they would have got him.
 
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pgainey said:
Problem wasn’t the hire - he was the clear choice

the problem is refusing to now recognize he isn’t a good coach and holding on purely due to institutional nepotism.

coaching hires are a gamble no matter how “home run” of a hire you think you might have made.
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And I would add that the overwhelming majority of coaches who start with losing records the first 3-4 years and have much worse records than the terrible coach they were hired to replace do not somehow figure it out in year 5+ at their original school
 
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SuperBigFan said:
I am right, you know it, everyone knows it.

Frost was their first choice, he turned them down. You even said it.

There is an article where the UF boosters said "Yeah, we didn't want him (after he blew them off) because he wanted to bring his staff)
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Dude, an NU and UCF coach said FLA would not allow him to bring his whole staff over. Lol

So SF said no.

If FLA wanted him that bad, they would have allowed him to bring his whole staff period end of story.

They didn't WANT him bad enough to allow him to bring his whole staff again PERIOD.


You are WRONG...
 
Boiler_B said:
Dude, an NU and UCF coach said FLA would not allow him to bring his whole staff over. Lol

So SF said no.

If FLA wanted him that bad, they would have allowed him to bring his whole staff period end of story.

They didn't WANT him bad enough to allow him to bring his whole staff again PERIOD.


You are WRONG...
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Of course they are saying that! It makes it look that much better for NU! That they did "the right thing" to get the hottest coach in the country.

End of story.

UF just got caught with their pants down when they thought they had Kelly, they were not going to get embarrassed again, so when Frost turned them down they came out with the old "We didn't really want him" bit.
 
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SF was Florida's first choice.

Until they told him he couldn't bring his entire staff from UCF.

At that point they moved on.

Lucky for them.
 
SuperBigFan said:
Of course they are saying that! It makes it look that much better for NU! That they did "the right thing" to get the hottest coach in the country.

End of story.
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Ummmm NO.
Just no. Lol

Keep spinning though!!
 
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