Islam had slaves for 1300 years. Arab slave trade from Africa. Wonder what Muhammad Ali thought about that.
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You think this is bad. Just wait until PETA gets in on the act and demands the removal of all animal mascots and nicknames from sports teams.
I agree that the Native Americans were treated horribly back then. BUT, I ask again, who is alive today that was responsible for that bad treatment? Would people be satisfied if we dug up the graves of those people who were responsible and hanged the dead bodies from trees? Would that undo all those bad things? Would the descendants then feel better? The past is the past and cannot be redone.
No...none of this has anything to do with it. Most professors outside the US look at the "war" with the NA as one of the longest wars in history. But there was a winner, I will fight no more forever...
It was terrible, I get it, it was...but it was war and war is ****ing terrible. You have a lazy idea of war and a lazy idea of what happens after war. But that is pretty much expected by someone that doesn't understand what war is...
No one would argue that the NA's went through what 7 million Jews went through...
And Custer didn't find gold...some dude he was sort of friends with found some gold and stole a ton for himself...
I didn't say that anyone alive now is responsible. I was addressing the question of why American Indian land was considered stolen, and the simplistic comment about the spoils of war.
Regardless of who actually found the gold in the Black Hills, my point still stands. The US broke a treaty it had made with the Oglala Lakota, simply because the land the US thought was worthless, and was willing to part with, suddenly became worth something.
Pretty ironic that you also gloss over the idea that non-white people were forcibly relocated, their land taken, and the eradication of their culture via schooling....and yet white enemies of the US later had US Army bases named after their leaders (some of whom were not only enemies of the US, but, as in the case of Gen. John Bell Hood, incompetent).
Just out of curiosity...what was more lazy...what I typed, or the crap of "to the victor go the spoils of war"? Maybe save some of your lecture for that person as well.
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What makes you think I said any of that? I said name it after a veggie and be done with it, works for me as a cornhusker fan. We use to be the bugeaters and bugs had a really difficult time with that name. It triggered them. There was this whole uprising, much of it is overshadowed by other media at the time so you probably haven’t herd about it. Any ways we rightfully realized that being the “bug eaters” was not socially allowed and disrespectful to bugs so we become the corn Huskers. End of story. You could read about it but the website that has the story on it crashed.
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Did that guy get perma banned or not? I mean wtf?!
Well, maybe you should also consider that there's a pretty good chance that I know more than for what you're giving me credit. Entirely possible I don't feel like writing a book in a single post on a college football forum.
So I guess you either need to enlighten us all about wars in general, or just move along.
War sucks, it is a horrible horrible thing. Settlers got into wars with Natives...in the end the settlers won.
If the Nazi's won WWII we would be typing in German right now.
It is like you expect that the winners should be like "Okay guys, good game, well...you can have all your stuff back now"
I am sure you know a lot about it, why else would you comment on it. But you also know war sucks and there is (usually) a winner and loser. And sadly, the loser gets ****ed.
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This is somewhat political, but its more historical so I hope it doesn't get the thread locked. These are 2 quotes from important figures from the civil war, see if you can guess who said each one:
"The Slave must be made fit for his freedom by education and discipline, and thus made unfit for slavery. And as soon as he becomes unfit for slavery, the master will no longer desire to hold him as a slave."
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race"
"The Slave must be made fit for his freedom by education and discipline, and thus made unfit for slavery. And as soon as he becomes unfit for slavery, the master will no longer desire to hold him as a slave."
"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race"
So, no...you have nothing of substance to add. Didn't think so.
Enjoy your Sunday.
There is a mistaken belief that the Indians owned lands like the Black Hills for thousands of years. This is simply not true. First off, the Lakota forcibly removed the Cheyenne and Arapahoe from the Black Hills only a century before. Then many of these tribes migrated from other areas. The Cheyenne started off in Canada and Wisconsin in the 1600s, roughly the same time that Europeans began to arrive. The history of the tribes is very much the same as what they endured by the Europeans. Many were enslaved, forcibly relocated or outright subjected to genocide.
Was it right of the United States to renege on treaty after treaty, especially the one signed off on at Fort Laramie in the 1850s? No. But is the modern account of the Native Americans that existed at the time of the western expansion of the United States accurate. No.
http://nativeamericannetroots.net/diary/1737
This will give you an idea of just how not settled the tribes really were. The Lakota only arrived in the Black Hills in the 1700s. They came at the expense of the Cheyenne and Arapahoe.
This will give you an idea of just how not settled the tribes really were. The Lakota only arrived in the Black Hills in the 1700s. They came at the expense of the Cheyenne and Arapahoe.
You can't talk to some people about it.
So, what you're saying is that if weren't the Oglala Lakota hadn't forced the Cheyenne and Arapahoe from the ares in the late 1700s, it would have been the Cheyenne and Arapahoe that likely end up getting screwed by the US Government.
OK.
The bigger point still stands....the US Government went back on a treaty because it decided that the Black Hills weren't worthless.
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