Washington due in court in about an 75 minutes.

[dinglefritz]

Of course anyone here whos family member was in the situation would be pissed. That is not the debate. They have every right to be pissed at what he did. The debate comes into play is should he be convicted of child porn and be forced to register as a sex offender, be kicked out of school, and probably ruin the rest of his life.
Of course the family thinks so. I would probably think so as well if it were my child. However, we tend not to think logically when our kids are involved. Again logic and common sense in today's society is a rare gift. This is a situation where emotion needs to be taken out of it and things looks at from a logic/ common sense point of view. Whether we are husker fans or not has little to do with it in my eyes.

Personally I wouldn't care if this was a Hawkeye player. I do some prison ministry with a local group and the idea that this kid would be labled as a sex offender is mind blowing to me. It really destroys their life and for what he allegedly did, I just think it would be cruel and unusual punishment.

 

[shine003]

My response was to @husker2612 who asked “you think this is about football?”

The actual court case is what it is, but most of the people defending and minimizing Washington’s actions aren’t doing it because they care anything about the person. There are probably hundreds of cases just like this in the court system. I very seriously doubt anyone on this forum are blogging about the injustice of the charges or any other alleged inequities of any of those other cases.

Ridiculous argument. Football is what made us all aware of this case. That doesn’t mean football is the overriding reason we have decided the defendant shouldn’t have his life ruined. I have no obligation to go hunt down and find similar cases going through the courts and shout about the injustice. But if any more come across my path, I’m 100% sure I would come to the same conclusion.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan]

I don't always buy into the innocent till proven guilty thing...He sent that video, it isn't in question, and it was beyond gross and I'll let other people decide his fate, but he's guilty of doing something I would have booted him off the team for as soon as I found out.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

The word "stud" in my neighborhood carries with it a sexual innuendo. This wasn't some wall flower sheltered child sending that text message. A 16 year old friend of my daughter's took a topless selfie and then sent it to a boyfriend. Guess what. It ended up on every 15-19 year old boy's cell phone in the high school. Should they all be imprisoned for sharing that picture? It's child porn. Right? What Washington did was not right but it's ridiculous to think that he could be convicted of a felony and be labeled a sex offender for the rest of his life. Labled stupid teenager? Yes. Sex offender? No.

Well if all of those boys were told to delete the photo, and presumably all but one does, then that then boy now man, 3 years later, sends that picture back to the female with a text that calls her a hoe (sic), then it would be the same thing that Washington is alleged to have done.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Just my opinion........but if this happened to my daughter/niece etc. I would be more concerned with my daughter/ niece etc. and the decision that they made in the first place than I would someone sending her a video. To me all those involved made some very poor choices and hopefully they have ALL learned a lesson.

So if this went to court you would be on the male’s side? You would be writing things like he needs his day in court and it was just youthful indiscretion on his part? Whatever

 

[JohnRossEwing]

My response was to @husker2612 who asked “you think this is about football?”

The actual court case is what it is, but most of the people defending and minimizing Washington’s actions aren’t doing it because they care anything about the person. There are probably hundreds of cases just like this in the court system. I very seriously doubt anyone on this forum are blogging about the injustice of the charges or any other alleged inequities of any of those other cases.

Of course not, we are all hypocrites.

 

[Sinomatic]

You think this is about football? To some it probably is. Nebraska football will be fine with or without him. Im tired of society in general not using common sense. In this situation not using common sense would ruin a 19 year old kids life forever. This isn't about football with me.
I am not saying what he did was right. If he indeed was the one who sent the video back to her. It is revenge porn. He should probably be found guilty and face whatever punishment goes with it. The child porn thing is where the common sense needs to come into play and what I disagree with. These laws were created to try and protect kids and punish those who are a threat to children. Mo Washington is not a threat to children and shouldn't be charged or treated as such. As well as his life shouldn't be ruined. Where as the 45 year old perv looking at little kids, their life should be ruined.

Ok right on, so you say 18 is too young to be considered a man anymore, responsible for ones actions and words. See now you're qualifying wether its child porn or not based on the guilty parties age. The age of SOCIETAL recognition of accountability for adult crimes is 18.

I did stupid garbage when I was young...and I paid for. If I got caught I would expect to pay for it and not be let off the hook for a variety of reasons that so happen to be on someone favorite football team message board.

And how many other men keeping pictures of naked children on their phones you defending?


There's a reason why murderers, thieves, and others in high security prisons look down on child sex crimes...THEY have a conscience.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

The word "stud" in my neighborhood carries with it a sexual innuendo. This wasn't some wall flower sheltered child sending that text message. A 16 year old friend of my daughter's took a topless selfie and then sent it to a boyfriend. Guess what. It ended up on every 15-19 year old boy's cell phone in the high school. Should they all be imprisoned for sharing that picture? It's child porn. Right? What Washington did was not right but it's ridiculous to think that he could be convicted of a felony and be labeled a sex offender for the rest of his life. Labled stupid teenager? Yes. Sex offender? No.

Amen to this.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Ridiculous argument. Football is what made us all aware of this case. That doesn’t mean football is the overriding reason we have decided the defendant shouldn’t have his life ruined. I have no obligation to go hunt down and find similar cases going through the courts and shout about the injustice. But if any more come across my path, I’m 100% sure I would come to the same conclusion.

If this player wasn’t an important player for Nebraska, no one would care about this case. So it is about football. Period.

 

[1NebrFan]

So if this went to court you would be on the male’s side? You would be writing things like he needs his day in court and it was just youthful indiscretion on his part? Whatever

What I am saying is.....I would be more concerned with the decision my daughter made.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

Ok right on, so you say 18 is too young to be considered a man anymore, responsible for ones actions and words. See now you're qualifying wether its child porn or not based on the guilty parties age. The age of SOCIETAL recognition of accountability for adult crimes is 18.

I did stupid garbage when I was young...and I paid for. If I got caught I would expect to pay for it and not be let off the hook for a variety of reasons that so happen to be on someone favorite football team message board.

And how many other men keeping pictures of naked children on their phones you defending?


There's a reason why murderers, thieves, and others in high security prisons look down on child sex crimes...THEY have a conscience.

But you would fight it the best you could, right?

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

What I am saying is.....I would be more concerned with the decision my daughter made.

Not the point. We all would be concerned with that decision. But at this point in the timeline, we are past that. We are in the criminal point in the timeline. The mistake has been made, now we are talking about how the guy who hurt your daughter or niece is going to pay for breaking the law and hurting your niece/ daughter.

 

[1NebrFan]

Not the point. We all would be concerned with that decision. But at this point in the timeline, we are past that. We are in the criminal point in the timeline. The mistake has been made, now we are talking about how the guy who hurt your daughter or niece is going to pay for breaking the law and hurting your niece/ daughter.

The guy/guys that really hurt my daughter/niece were the ones that assaulted her ( allegedly, according to her step-mom) and videotaped it and then sent it to all of their friends. As far as I know they were not charged with any felony or punished other than maybe probation. Honestly, does that seem reasonable to you? You are going to consider punishing someone to a greater extent than the original perpetrators? Common sense seems to be lost in this case.

 

[dinglefritz]

Not the point. We all would be concerned with that decision. But at this point in the timeline, we are past that. We are in the criminal point in the timeline. The mistake has been made, now we are talking about how the guy who hurt your daughter or niece is going to pay for breaking the law and hurting your niece/ daughter.

string him up. It'll teach him a lesson.

 

[huskerfan1414]

The word "stud" in my neighborhood carries with it a sexual innuendo. This wasn't some wall flower sheltered child sending that text message. A 16 year old friend of my daughter's took a topless selfie and then sent it to a boyfriend. Guess what. It ended up on every 15-19 year old boy's cell phone in the high school. Should they all be imprisoned for sharing that picture? It's child porn. Right? What Washington did was not right but it's ridiculous to think that he could be convicted of a felony and be labeled a sex offender for the rest of his life. Labled stupid teenager? Yes. Sex offender? No.

I never said he should be a sex offender the rest of his life.

Read your post I was responding to. A pretty far jump from what you said before to “shouldn't be a sex offender rest of his life”. You're moving goal posts.

Also, your scenario is literally nothing like this situation. For everyone saying “context, context” I find it ironic that none of you are actually looking at all the context of this case.

I have YET to hear any response about him holding a video for over a year after he was told to delete it. Knowingly holding it and then re sending it. This wasn't some unknown video sent in her consent.

(Assuming this is all true. I still maintain he's innocent until proven otherwise.)

 

[huskerfan1414]

Just my opinion........but if this happened to my daughter/niece etc. I would be more concerned with my daughter/ niece etc. and the decision that they made in the first place than I would someone sending her a video. To me all those involved made some very poor choices and hopefully they have ALL learned a lesson.

You're ignoring a whole lot of context, context person.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Come on Tuco I think it is time to take a break from the computer. Your arguing is getting border line on the insane. Of course nobody scans the countries news papers or internet stories looking for similar cases to care about. We don't have the time to do so. The only reason we as husker fans have taken notice on this case is because in this situation he plays for Nebraska. We follow everything Nebraska football. If something came across my twitter feed about an Iowa player, I would feel the exact same way. In the end this is just football. After, most of these kids have to live the rest of their lives in the every day working world. Being convicted of child porn is a hell of a way to go through the rest of your life.

“I don't like your opinion, so take a break from the computer.”

And again some of you guys are moving goal posts, its gone from “no big deal” to “shouldn't be a lifelong sex offender.”

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

string him up. It'll teach him a lesson.

Let him off with a slap on the wrist, obviously that has worked over the last 19 years to curb his behaviors.

For the record, I have yet to speak on the punishment, with regards to him being labeled a sex offender. But the punishment needs to be more than a verbal scolding.

 

[huskerfan1414]

The guy/guys that really hurt my daughter/niece were the ones that assaulted her ( allegedly, according to her step-mom) and videotaped it and then sent it to all of their friends. As far as I know they were not charged with any felony or punished other than maybe probation. Honestly, does that seem reasonable to you? You are going to consider punishing someone to a greater extent than the original perpetrators? Common sense seems to be lost in this case.

No comment on whether their punishment was enough, but....
How old were they at the time? How old was Mo when he allegedly sent it? How long did he hold the video?

Looks like we’re gonna need some context.

 

[Top_Gun_]

he's too skinny to be a lead back anyway

 

[huskerfan1414]

And a lot of you are saying let him off and whatever because oh he's young and needs a second chance.

How many second chances do you get?

Also, since he had the video when he was sixteen or whatever and was her boyfriend, he could have had his phone taken by authorities and checked for the video. Text records would also show where it all went. Sounds like they didn't go that far, because they were young and dumb, as you are all saying.
Im going to go ahead and say that any warning he was given to delete a video if he had it was his second chance.

Maybe he didn't do any of this or didn't send the video. But if this is all true.....well maybe not lifetime sex offender or anything but I don't know how he plays here any more.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Come on Tuco I think it is time to take a break from the computer. Your arguing is getting border line on the insane. Of course nobody scans the countries news papers or internet stories looking for similar cases to care about. We don't have the time to do so. The only reason we as husker fans have taken notice on this case is because in this situation he plays for Nebraska. We follow everything Nebraska football. If something came across my twitter feed about an Iowa player, I would feel the exact same way. In the end this is just football. After, most of these kids have to live the rest of their lives in the every day working world. Being convicted of child porn is a hell of a way to go through the rest of your life.

No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read and respond to my posts.

 

[dinglefritz]

Let him off with a slap on the wrist, obviously that has worked over the last 19 years to curb his behaviors.

For the record, I have yet to speak on the punishment, with regards to him being labeled a sex offender. But the punishment needs to be more than a verbal scolding.

As someone who screwed up more than few times as a younger person, I can guarantee you that he's already been punished. The amount of mental anguish he's enduring at this time is at least equal to what the girl suffered by seeing that video. So do you really screw up the guy's life by him being labeled as a sex offender or do you plead it out to a lesser charge and give him a chance to make something of himself? I do some prison ministry and I can guarantee you that the last thing you want to do someone is label them with that if you don't have to. They can't find housing. They have trouble finding jobs. Just a felony conviction causes them horrible grief for the rest of their life trying to rent an apartment or get a job. Hopefully reasonable minds prevail and he's able to continue his education. Sure I would hope it's at NU if for no other reason than the great support structure but I don't care if this was a Hawkeye or Longhorn player. Convicting him of a felony and labeling him as a sex offender would be a miscarriage of justice. JMHO.

 

[shine003]

If this player wasn’t an important player for Nebraska, no one would care about this case. So it is about football. Period.

Again, ridiculous and not the point. Just because you don’t care about the outcome, it doesn’t mean I wouldn’t come to the same conclusion. If this was just Joe Shmoe, I would have the same opinion. Football keeps it relevant. It doesn’t change what I think should happen to Mo’s life.

I’m out. You’re not worth arguing with anymore. You’ve got your panties in a bunch with everything that comes to Nebraska football and the posters on this board. Your crusade against hypocrisy has swung way too hard the other direction to the point it’s become worse than what you hated. Do you even enjoy reading/posting here any more? Because it’s like you have an ax to grind in every post

 

[Top_Gun_]

is Mo worth even 1 win to this team in 2019?

how much would we really miss him if he's suspended?

 

[dinglefritz]

I never said he should be a sex offender the rest of his life.

(Assuming this is all true. I still maintain he's innocent until proven otherwise.)

If he's convicted of distributing child porn that is exactly how he'll be labeled and he'll be treated just like the perv with pics of little kids engaged in sex acts who maybe pled down to that so the kids wouldn't have to testify in a trial. A friend's kid (who happens to be a federal prison officer) slept with his roommate's sister. The kid was 18. Unfortunately he found out too late that the girl was 16. Her family was pissed and pressed charges. A really good kid who ended up in a federal pen for several years and then has to carry around that label. Letter of the law.

 

[Tuco Salamanca]

Again, ridiculous and not the point. Just because you don’t care about the outcome, it doesn’t mean I wouldn’t come to the same conclusion. If this was just Joe Shmoe, I would have the same opinion. Football keeps it relevant. It doesn’t change what I think should happen to Mo’s life.

I’m out. You’re not worth arguing with anymore. You’ve got your panties in a bunch with everything that comes to Nebraska football and the posters on this board. Your crusade against hypocrisy has swung way too hard the other direction to the point it’s become worse than what you hated. Do you even enjoy reading/posting here any more? Because it’s like you have an ax to grind in every post

See ya. Like I wrote before, no one is holding a gun to your head forcing to to read and respond. There is also an ignore feature, feel free to use it, because I am not going anywhere and will continue to post as I wish, and always within the rule guidelines.

 

[Hawkdiver]

A similar situation happened at my son's high school a couple of years ago. Two 16 year olds hooked up at a party. The girl had a huge crush on the guy and when they got to the bedroom he asked if she was OK with what they were going to do, she said yes. knowing she had a crush on him he went a step further and asked if he could film it, she said yes.

Fast forward to Monday at school and he is showing the video to his buddies at lunch. She finds out, goes to the principal and they call the boy down to talk with the his dean and the school cop. They ask about the video, they watch the video which turned out to just be audio because the room was dark. The cop explains how serious this is, that he is likely facing child porn charges (remember he is 16) and lifetime registry. They leave the kid alone in the room while they go to call his parents. The kid freaks out realizing with the porn registry his life is over, sneaks out of the office and by the time mom gets to school has killed himself. The lawsuits are still pending but the cop has said he was just playing bad cop and registry would have been unlikely given his age.

Point of this story is these things have real consequences and at 16 this kid knew he had screwed up big time and did not want to face the consequences. Mo was the same age when he got the video, held on to it for a year or two and then sent it out once he was a legal adult. The time to claim it was a youthful indiscretion passed during the time he held onto the video. He may be able to plead this down but it will not be without some punishment that may include registry.

 

[huskerfan1414]

If he's convicted of distributing child porn that is exactly how he'll be labeled and he'll be treated just like the perv with pics of little kids engaged in sex acts who maybe pled down to that so the kids wouldn't have to testify in a trial. A friend's kid (who happens to be a federal prison officer) slept with his roommate's sister. The kid was 18. Unfortunately he found out too late that the girl was 16. Her family was pissed and pressed charges. A really good kid who ended up in a federal pen for several years and then has to carry around that label. Letter of the law.

Since you didn't debate the rest of my post, I will assume you agree that your initial post was over the top.

As for your story, as others have said, context matters, and the context is different for Mo. And I don't think Mo should be a sex offender label for his life.

 

[Sinomatic]

But you would fight it the best you could, right?

The only time I appeared before a judge for my stupidity I got no lawyer and faced up to my crime.

However, I am not saying that everyone should waive their right to an attorney. That is getting off the topic of wether or not someone should be charged with possession of child porn IF they are found guilty.

Now phones are easy peasy to track and retrieve information sent and received on them. So I hope MW has some good reason why he had child porn sent from his phone.

Right now he is innocent until proven guilty. But if they got it off his device, that would be very hard to esplain away...

 

[dinglefritz]

Since you didn't debate the rest of my post, I will assume you agree that your initial post was over the top.

As for your story, as others have said, context matters, and the context is different for Mo. And I don't think Mo should be a sex offender label for his life.

IF you don't want him labeled as a sex offender, then you should hope he'll be able to plead to a lesser charge and not the felony. Otherwise in fact he'll have to register as a sex offender. This is a serious life changing matter and people advocating that he "shouldn't get a slap on the wrist" don't understand the consequences this guy has already had to suffer. I have sons and a daughter. I've worked with high school aged kids for over 2 decades on a volunteer basis. I've dealt with at risk kids. I've been inside prisons on multiple opportunities with a ministerial group. This guy doesn't deserve that tag and IMO deserves to try to pick up the pieces and if Frost thinks that should include football at NU, so be it. I would say the same thing if he was a Hawkeye.

 

[dinglefritz]

The only time I appeared before a judge for my stupidity I got no lawyer and faced up to my crime.

However, I am not saying that everyone should waive their right to an attorney. That is getting off the topic of wether or not someone should be charged with possession of child porn IF they are found guilty.

Now phones are easy peasy to track and retrieve information sent and received on them. So I hope MW has some good reason why he had child porn sent from his phone.

Right now he is innocent until proven guilty. But if they got it off his device, that would be very hard to esplain away...

Apparently they don't have any physical evidence that the video was sent. That's one of the reasons it took so long for them to charge him. They attempted to entrap him to get him to send it "again", and he didn't bite. They waited for him to do something else and he didn't.

 

[husker2612]

Ok right on, so you say 18 is too young to be considered a man anymore, responsible for ones actions and words. See now you're qualifying wether its child porn or not based on the guilty parties age. The age of SOCIETAL recognition of accountability for adult crimes is 18.

I did stupid garbage when I was young...and I paid for. If I got caught I would expect to pay for it and not be let off the hook for a variety of reasons that so happen to be on someone favorite football team message board.

And how many other men keeping pictures of naked children on their phones you defending?


There's a reason why murderers, thieves, and others in high security prisons look down on child sex crimes...THEY have a conscience.

Where did I say that?

 

[SnohomishRed]

Oh man all these holier than though types on here - I hope you are not caught doing something one day you should not but chances are you will. This kid is 19 years old now people are saying he has gotten off with wrist slaps his entire life - yep he deserved the book thrown at him when he pooped his diapers. A crime should fit the punishment as unfortunately our legal system is about punishment only. How was this girl harmed by receiving a video she had already seen before. Did Washington film - No - did he use to send to his friends and her friends - not what is being claimed. He sent it to her now she wants blood when many would have just told him to F off - I fail to see how this kid has harmed her for life as many are claiming he should be harmed

 

[husker2612]

See ya. Like I wrote before, no one is holding a gun to your head forcing to to read and respond. There is also an ignore feature, feel free to use it, because I am not going anywhere and will continue to post as I wish, and always within the rule guidelines.

At the rate you are going you will have nobody left to talk/ argue with but yourself. Maybe that is your goal.

 

[c3o]

Apparently they don't have any physical evidence that the video was sent. That's one of the reasons it took so long for them to charge him. They attempted to entrap him to get him to send it "again", and he didn't bite. They waited for him to do something else and he didn't.

Didn't know that. I assumed they had physical evidence. Does anyone know if Mo denied her claims?

 

[c3o]

Oh man all these holier than though types on here - I hope you are not caught doing something one day you should not but chances are you will. This kid is 19 years old now people are saying he has gotten off with wrist slaps his entire life - yep he deserved the book thrown at him when he pooped his diapers. A crime should fit the punishment as unfortunately our legal system is about punishment only. How was this girl harmed by receiving a video she had already seen before. Did Washington film - No - did he use to send to his friends and her friends - not what is being claimed. He sent it to her now she wants blood when many would have just told him to F off - I fail to see how this kid has harmed her for life as many are claiming he should be harmed

I agree with your take. A lot of assumptions here. But then again I may just be entirely ignorant on the case. I'm rooting for the kid unless he really did something malicious and evil

 

[SkerInCo]

Didn't know that. I assumed they had physical evidence. Does anyone know if Mo denied her claims?

Mo's tweet linked on page 1 would leave you to believe he is denying her claims.

 

[huskerfan1414]

Didn't know that. I assumed they had physical evidence. Does anyone know if Mo denied her claims?

Based on twitter I believe he maintains his innocence.

 

[c3o]

Based on twitter I believe he maintains his innocence.

And I'd believe him if he wasn't a drug smoker